Brady Quinn over Ted Ginn plus Cam Cameron's incompetence

[simeon]

  Where is the proof that this happens?

The only time a team drafts a franchise LT over a franchise Qb is when they already have one or they do not think much of the franchise Qb.  Cleveland did not think enough of Quinn to draft him over Thomas, just as Miami did not think enough of Ryan to take him over Long.

Excellent point, well done.

[raptorsfan29]

  Where is the proof that this happens?

The only time a team drafts a franchise LT over a franchise Qb is when they already have one or they do not think much of the franchise Qb.  Cleveland did not think enough of Quinn to draft him over Thomas, just as Miami did not think enough of Ryan to take him over Long.

actually a team drafts a franchise LT over a franchise QB, when they don't have an o line that is good enough to protect the QB, whats the point in getting a franchise QB when the guy is going to get killed every time he snaps the ball from a crappy offensive line.

[simeon]

actually a team drafts a franchise LT over a franchise QB, when they don't have an o line that is good enough to protect the QB, whats the point in getting a franchise QB when the guy is going to get killed every time he snaps the ball from a crappy offensive line.

So NFL teams never draft a franchise QB with a bad offensive line ? Happens all the time.

[DolFan619]

ooooOK........

Don't know what he has to do with Ginn but........rock on guys.   

  What it has to do with Ginn is, you stated that "number one receivers don't field punts."  However, as others have stated that's not true at all.  When O.J McDuffie was our top receiver, he fielded punts.  Stroke pointed out that Steve Smith in Carolina fields punt returns.  Also, Adrian Peterson did some returns for the Vikings last season.  Yet nobody labels them as just a "kick returner."

[Dphins4me]

actually a team drafts a franchise LT over a franchise QB, when they don't have an o line that is good enough to protect the QB, whats the point in getting a franchise QB when the guy is going to get killed every time he snaps the ball from a crappy offensive line.

Actually no.  You do not pass on a franchise Qb because you have a weak line. 

There should be lots of proof of this type stuff, if it happens..

Remember there has to be a franchise QB & LT in the draft.

[run_to_win]

People who are still angry that we did not take Quinn will never accept Beck, even if he becomes the next Marino, because they would rather be right than happy.

QFT.

[run_to_win]

A QB that dosen't have happy feet in the pocket or deer in the headlight syndrome.

Every QB looks great riding the pine.   

[run_to_win]

I don't believe Chambers was listed as the #1 receiver in his rookie season. .........lets see if Ginn returns any punts in training camp or in the reg. season. #1 Receivers DO NOT return punts .

Tim Brown?

[simeon]

  What it has to do with Ginn is, you stated that "number one receivers don't field punts."  However, as others have stated that's not true at all.  When O.J McDuffie was our top receiver, he fielded punts.  Stroke pointed out that Steve Smith in Carolina fields punt returns.  Also, Adrian Peterson did some returns for the Vikings last season.  Yet nobody labels them as just a "kick returner."

Let it be stated again, Ted Ginn Jr was drafted as a KR who played WR also, he was not drafted for his ability as a wide receiver. Peterson was drafted as a rb, so not a comparison.
Oj McDuffie was not drafted as kr, He just happen to be a wr who could play KR.
The facts remain we need to deal with the hand dealt to us. Ginn needs to step up and produce, as a dolfan I am willing to forget 2007 the Cameron hostage crisis. So Ted you get a pass, Beck you get a pass, but no excuses this year.

[Dphins4me]

Let it be stated again, Ted Ginn Jr was drafted as a KR who played WR also, he was not drafted for his ability as a wide receiver. Peterson was drafted as a rb, so not a comparison.
Oj McDuffie was not drafted as kr, He just happen to be a wr who could play KR.
The facts remain we need to deal with the hand dealt to us. Ginn needs to step up and produce, as a dolfan I am willing to forget 2007 the Cameron hostage crisis. So Ted you get a pass, Beck you get a pass, but no excuses this year.

  No, they did not draft Ginn just as a KR.  No one is foolish enough to draft just a KR with the 9th pick of the draft. 

Yes, Ginn is raw as a Wr, but that does not mean they did not expect him to be a valuable WR in the future for the team.   You guys floor me with this silly stuff.

[MaineDolFan]

[PhinsHelmetOnPenis]

  No, they did not draft Ginn just as a KR.  No one is foolish enough to draft just a KR with the 9th pick of the draft. 

Yes, Ginn is rare as a Wr, but that does not mean they did not expect him to be a valuable WR in the future for the team.   You guys floor me with this silly stuff.

dude just admit that you have serious wood for ted ginn and we'll call it even. the guy is a bust I dont care how good a KR (YES KR!!! cuz thats what he is whether you like it or not) he turns out to be, he was a REACH. I'm amazed at your level of denial its amazing are you sure you're not in the Ginn family too?

[Dphins4me]

dude just admit that you have serious wood for ted ginn and we'll call it even. the guy is a bust I dont care how good a KR (YES KR!!! cuz thats what he is whether you like it or not) he turns out to be, he was a REACH. I'm amazed at your level of denial its amazing are you sure you're not in the Ginn family too?

With all the replies you could have made, this is how you choose to express yourself?   That was the best you've got? 

I'd kept my fingers off the keyboard if that was the best I had.

[fyo]

Is that like Cameron's Fail Forward Fast thing? ;-)

[simeon]

  No, they did not draft Ginn just as a KR.  No one is foolish enough to draft just a KR with the 9th pick of the draft. 

Yes, Ginn is raw as a Wr, but that does not mean they did not expect him to be a valuable WR in the future for the team.   You guys floor me with this silly stuff.

You have to be kidding me. Ok try answering these question's, let's look at his rookie season.
1.Did Ginn return KR and punts from day one of the season ?
2.Did Ginn play on the field as a wide receiver from day one ?
3. Where on the depth chart was Ginn in KR and Punt returns ?
4.Where on the depth chart was Ginn listed as a wide receiver ?