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What does this mean for Henne?

He has another eye injury?

And you have some evidence to support this claim?

http://www.miamidolphins.com/news/pennington-start-sunday-against-titans

Rejoice!

This is complete lunacy.  Now I'm on the Fire Tony Sparano bandwagon as well. 

Wow. Big news. I know Henne threw 3 INT's - but why now?

If there isn't an injury involved to justify this move, then I'll be extremely disappointed in our coaching staff...even more so than I already am for the lousy play calling/game planning.

this

got my vote as well.

oh, how quickly the Phins have plummented since the 2-0 start!

this sounds like the end of the Jimmy Johnson era!!!!

If this is simply a coach's decision, I do not agree with it.  I hope I'm wrong.

Wow, this move takes me completely by surprise.   Any chance that this is just intended as a wake-up call to Henne to light a fire under his arse?  

There should be a truly entertaining Tepop post coming soon.

I can see Pennington winning games for us.  I have said that for a while.  But then what?   That's my concern.

I don't think Henne has even been playing poorly.  Maybe they're just trying to give a different look.

People on fb are reading way to much into this and are expecting Henne to be cut.

Sign me up for the "fire Sparano" group...

At the VERY least, they should've given Henne a chance to show off his deep passing game. If he failed there, I still wouldn't agree with the decision to pull him, but I'd at least have more of an understanding of it.

I can't help but think Sparano is feeling pressured, whether that's public opinion, higher-ups in the Dolphins, or just himself, I don't know, but that's the only rational explanation I can come up with for this move.

I really do not understand all the hate being directed towards Henne by "fans".

I like the move. The last QB we had any success with is Pennington. We won the division the last time he was QB for this team. Why not put him back out there and see what he can do?

If he isn't hurt, you might as well.  Henne is either the future of the franchise or he isn't. If he is he should not be benched.  If he isn't start figuring out who you will be drafting next and cut him in an uncapped year to avoid the cap hit next year. 

the word on WQAm radio, omar kelly is responding, and he's saying that coaches feel that Henne, and NOT Henning, are being conservative during the playcalling and he is checking down and not making plays that can exploit defenses.

wow.  I still believe it's the game plan, IMO, WRs are ALWAYS covered and under duress.  NO ONE is running free down the lanes/seams.

Because Pennington is old and we're not going to win anything this season anyway. It's paramount that we try to develop the top talent that we have. Dumping him after about a season worth of starts (with decent overall stats) is a really terrible decision.

As Hoodie points out, what now? Unless you really believe that benching him will somehow HELP him improve (for whatever reason), then you might as well cut him.

One possibility is that in earlier Pennington vs. Henne debates, Parcells was the one who liked Henne with others being for Pennington. 

wtf

I am disappointed.

Tony, I have to tell you, this is the WORST move you have EVER made as head coach of the Dolphins.

I can already see what will happen.  Henne played a brutal schedule and looked average.  Sparano switches to Pennington who plays pretty well against a powder puff last 8 games and loses to NY and NE.  Despite that Miami still misses the playoffs and again we have no clear QB of the future.  People will see what Pennington did in the last half of the year and think he should be the QB, when in fact had he played instead of Henne in the first half of the year he would have been exposed for the weaknesses that are in his game.  On top of it all, you've just destroyed any confidence that Henne had whatsoever and he'll probably want to be traded before next year, so we'll have to start the search for the next QB again.  How many does that make since Marino now?  

Yeah, I now think it's time for Sparano to go too.  Can we get a head coach who looks BEYOND the NEXT game on the schedule please?

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Then FIX IT!!!!!  Tell him to OPEN IT UP!!!  SCREAM it if you have too and quit telling him to be conservative with the damn ball and avoid INT's!!!!  YOU'RE THE F'ING COACH!!!!  Tell him that we've nothing left to lose.  AIR IT OUT!!!

Now if he DOES that and throws 20 INT's, THEN bench him, but don't bench him because he's AFRAID to throw down the field when all he's heard his whole time at Miami is BALL SECURITY!!!!

OMG!!!!

Henne is 18th in DVOA.  So adjusted for defenses, he is still below average.

On behalf of my beloved 49ers, we'd like to extend a humble offer to the Dolphins. We'll be glad to trade you Ted Ginn jr straight up for Chad Henne...no questions asked.

And last week, prior to be intercepted 3 times, none of which appeared to be his fault, he was 14th I believe and about average.  You haven't said a word about Henne in weeks and after a dismal display by the entire offense, not just Henne you chime in.  Great, now we have a head coach that thinks like Tepop.  Think I'll slit my wrists now.

You want to bench someone?  Bench Smith who dropped a pick six.  Or Bench everyone on the defense that missed more than 3 tackles, oops can't do that because you'd have to bench the ENTIRE defensive unit.  Bench the special teams player who didn't know that he had flyer coverage on punts....well I guess it is kinda hard to remember when you only force the opponent to punt (well at least get in punt formation) once the entire game.  Bench Chowder for flapping his gums about Baltimore's defense and then complaining about getting spit on.  Bench Ricky and Ronnie who havent' had a good game THIS YEAR!

I'll tell you one thing, Miami's problem isn't ONLY Henne, there's PLENTY of blame to go around.  To think that Pennington is going to make a difference is folly.

Don't the 49ers already have 3 career backups, why do you need a 4th?

Well, i guess 14th is good???  The went out and got him an elite wr, and he still sucks.  It is time to move on.

This is the worst decision the team could have made.  Here's why:

A young developing QB needs to build confidence and learn to read defenses.  He needs to be successful against all kinds of defenses, to learn what works and what doesn't.  By benching Henne, you have ruined him forever, and you might as well cut him now.  You tell him "you're not even as good as noodle-arm Pennington, so get your ass on the bench."  Great for building confidence.

Now we have all complained about Henning's conservative playcalling.  At the same time, we have seen that Henne has been going through reads 2 or 3 WR's deep on nearly every play.  Perhaps its not Henning's fault, and Henne is scared or too conservative, and not picking the targets intended for the play call.  In this case, maybe its a justified benching.

I just think that's a very far-fetched scenario.

So what does this mean for the Dolphins' future?  Let's get Mike Vick next season?  Let's draft a guy and watch him fail as well?  What does this mean for the short term?  Watch Pennington float up rainbows all game and hope that Marshall can out-jump all the safeties in the league?  

Maybe the coaching staff LOVES the conservative offense, and thinks Pennington is better suited for the dink-and-dunk?

Maybe they feel that guys are dropping balls because Henne puts too much zip and Pennington's little soft floaters are easier to catch?

Maybe they just wanna light a fire under Henne's ass, and motivate him to step up his game and work harder?

I can't understand this decision, and this (combined with the Jason Allen decision) has me two steps closer to joining the "Fire Sparano" bandwagon.  I really don't want to get there, because I want to see continuity at head coach.  I just hope this guy knows what he's doing here, and it pays off.

Jay Fiedler, Damon Huard, Ray Lucas, Brian Griese, AJ Feeley, Gus Frerotte, Sage Rosenfels, Joey Harrington, Daunte Culpepper, Cleo Lemon, Trent Green, John Beck, Chad Pennington & Chad Henne.

The next one will be 15.  

I agree completely.  from what I seen, Henne's pass are to WRs on come-back routes, 5-10 yd ins across the middle and an occasional deep sideline pass.  the only true pass in the deep middle is the TE sometimes.

I still believe WRs are either running crappy patterns OR the WRs coach (dorell) is at fault

I'd agree if we had someone to move on to.  Pennington isn't it.  He played well 2 years ago against one of the weakest schedules in the NFL.  Last year in his couple of starts he was WORSE than Henne has been ALL YEAR and since then he's had another shoulder surgery.  I like Pennington, but to believe that he would have done better than Henne the first 8 games of the schedule is wishful thinking at best and even if he would have, he has no future, so now it's back to searching for a QB again....for like the 100th time.

Adjusted for defenses, Pennington was the 6th best qb in 2008.

That was 2008.  What was he LAST YEAR!  You know the LAST TIME HE PLAYED! 

Edit:  Wait, I can check that myself.....let's see..... Negative 4.8. which was LOWER than Henne's 7.8 LAST YEAR and much lower than Henne's 13.5 THIS YEAR....AND he's had shoulder surgery since then AND he STILL has no future in the NFL.

If there is no real answer for why Henne is sitting, then I'm with y'all on getting rid of Sparano and company.

Adjusted for defenses = ::)

wow.... basically they are saying we've seen enough of henne to determine that he is not the future qb of this franchise.

better to figure this out sooner than later. fins will draft yet another qb next year, maybe they'll finally get the franchise qb desperately needed.

Unadjusted he was 3rd, so take your pick.

Ya know I'd almost rather see Thigpen than Pennington.  At least he still has a shot of being the future QB of this team.

"Adjusted for defenses".........LOL   That is awesome.   This year, I would have batted 1.000 in softball  if not for the guys playing defense.

Where's your snappy comeback now Tepop?  This got you stumped?  Don't like to comment when stupid stats like DVOA don't support your opinion?

Hey, well maybe last year was just an anomoly.  Let's check some other DVOA's for Pennington.

2007 - NEGATIVE 3.6
2006 - 10.4
2005 - NEGATIVE 29
2004 - 25.9
2003 - NEGATIVE 0.7
2002 - 40.5
2001 - 10.2

Pretty inconsistent there for Chad.  Seems to look pretty good one year and pretty bad the next.  Well maybe you're right, maybe 2010 is his year to be good, course that means we have to dump him before next year.

So the coaching staff's response to Henne not throwing the ball deep is to replace him with Pennington and his rocket arm?  wtf?    I mean, I like Pennington for what he is which is a smart qb who won't hurt his team with a lot of bad mistakes.  But if you are looking for someone to throw the ball deeper, Penny ain't yer boy.

Unbelievable. i have no idea what to expect from this team anymore. Is this a move by Sparano to protect his buddy Henning?

YES

the coaches see these guys every day in practice since the beginning of training camp. the message is pretty clear, we have seen all we need to see with henne and he is not the long term answer.

obviously they think that pennington gives them a better chance to win now, and will either draft a qb high in the draft next year or they see something in thigpen to use this as a bridge until he is ready to take over.

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c-ya        :'( :'(

And why was that?  Was it perhaps because he was HURT?  You realize of course that they ALLOW contact in the NFL right?  Yep.  Honestly.  You can look it up.  Chad's had a career of injuries, but that's probably just an anomoly too.  I'm sure he'll be fine this year as long as we play teams with no pass rush like we did in 2008.

Thanks for pointing out ANOTHER reason not to want him as our starting QB.

NOT adjusted for defenses = ::)

Passer rating already takes yards per attempt, touchdowns, and interceptions into account. Maybe you feel we should return to raw yards as the yardstick by which we measure the skill of quarterbacks?

I saw the headline and thought it was a very late April Fool's joke.  This is HORRIBLE move on every level.

I am literally speechless about this idiocy.

I think Mike O was on to something as it appears Sparano is on his way out. There is no other reason to make this move as it is a short term fix ... if it was to even work.  ???

Time to start a new thread ... Who will be the new Dolphins head coach?

other than the fact that pennington gives the team the best chance to win right now, and henne is just another in a long list of qb's that couldn't make it as an nfl starter.

I always forget about the header!!

Sparano is trying to SAVE HIS JOB with this move.

Too late, he is toast. He knows it. That is the ONLY reason you make a move like this. To try and save your own ass.

As I said on Sunday, he has nobody left to fire. He has to fall on the sword now for the teams failures. The NFL is a business, and Sparano isn't putting out any results in 3 years. Time for him to go!

Thank you. Someone giving me credit.
Steven Ross isn't in the business of keeping nice guys aroudn for the heck of it. He spent $1 billion on this team. Parcells bailed on him mid-season for no reason. You have a GM who is asking players if there mothers are "hookers". You go give out HUGE contracts to Dansby, Bess, Marshall, Carey, .....and the team is no better record wise. They haven't beaten a good team in a caldender year...........TIME FOR TONY TO GET FIRED!!!

RESULTS MATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

not sure why people don't also consider that henne is not the long term answer either?

they are just saying that henne isn't any good, unlikely to develop any further, pennington at this point is better, and that either they think thigpen is going to be the future or they will draft one next year.

sparano is also pretty much a players guy. he loyally stands behind the players no matter what, just look at the whole crowder fiasco, and maybe this is the locker room saying that they feel pennington is better too.

Henne has hardly had 20 starts and they gave up on him. Time to FIRE everyone!!

Did the Jets give up on Sanchez through all his struggles? Of course not, let the guy work through it. Ireland and Sparano are done. They sealed their fate today. Clueless....they are clueless

He was a 4 year college starter and 20 starts in the nfl, he isn't going to develop much more.  He is too stupid to read defenses.  Why waste 8 games trying to develop something that has a ceiling of brian griese.

Oh please. GIVE ME A BREAK!! The 8 games don't mean nothing anyway, Miami is pretty much eliminated from the playoffs this year, why not play Henne and see what he does see if he improves. Now you draft QB's and only give them 18 or 19 starts to see if they can play? That is the dumbest logic ever.

the coaches see these guys every day in practice since the beginning of training camp, and obviously see more than any couch potato fan sees on sundays.

some might see it as giving up early, another way to look at it might be just recognizing a mistake as early as possible.

I don't think they recognized it early enough.  He was shit in preseason and every game he started.  We pretty much wasted this whole season on him.

I keep pointing out that Parcells stepped down before the regular season.

Why let facts get in the way....

I have heard this a million times. Coaches are idiots too! And some mistakes are "unforgivable" this would be one. So, if they made a mistake, that is a fatal one that will cost them their jobs

Oh please. You wanna play semantics on what day was his last day, go ahead. He was at training camp EVERY DAY. He was at EVERY preseason game. He was with the team in September when the season opened.  He bailed on them and left the facility during the season.

You can spin that anyway you want, he quit! He could have waited out the year and not announce he was leaving. But he wanted the attention and the spotlight so he did it and made it public to distance himself from this disaster

not sure why people are so up in arms about benching henne? i mean if he was lighting things up, but the team was 4-4, and they switch to pennington, you scratch your head on that.

this guy at best has been mediocre so far. kinda meh... all they are saying is we've seen this guy in practice since april, and newsflash, he aint gonna get any better than what you have right now. he's not terrible, but just nothing more than a serviceable game manager on his best day.

I heard in a song once "2 out of 3 ain't bad". He stepped down into a consultant role before the season began. I can't find evidence anymore but I thought I had read once that he wasn't even attnding games during this season.

That is all I'm going to say on this in order to try and keep this on topic I'll go to the Pennington situation. I agree this looks like a move from Sporano to save his job. I've thought all along that the problem had been play calling because end zone cameras have shown Henne observing the field more than last year. I'm a bit skeptical of what this means for our future. I worry that Henne isn't going to shake this out of his head and I know Pennington isn't a long term answer. That leaves Thigpen as the big unknown. I'm really tired of the QC carousel.

1) Because its not his fault we are 4-4

2) You don't give up on YOUNG QB's so quickly. Especially when they aren't playing that bad in reality. It is an idiot move by this organization

Especially since Henne's 4 losses are to the consensus top 4 teams in the league.

Pennington doesn't give this team a better chance to beat anybody.  He certainly would have had zero chance to beat the 4 teams Henne lost to.  This move makes no sense whatsoever.

What did Henne do to deserve to be benched?   And don't sell me numbers that can be affected by conservative play-calling like yards per completion. 

63.5% passing completion puts him 9th in the league, ahead of Rodgers, Favre, Flacco, McNabb, Vick...  Sanchez is dead last with 53.5% and he's not getting benched.

What did he do to deserve getting benched?

lol @ using completion percentage to compare qbs.

Yeah, how dare you use a perfectly valid stat that does not support tepop's blind hatred of Henne?

i'd say touchdowns...

most disturbing is td to int ratio. now some of those int's aren't totally his fault, but when you throw so few td's man that looks bad.

^^ that is a product of playcalling though.   I agree it looks bad but if you watch games, he can only throw the ball.  He can't catch it too.  How many times is the route cut short?  Or guys drop balls in the end zone?  I can think of a lot off the top of my head.  Can you honestly tell me that you are completely happy with the way the offense has been run in the red zone this season?  The Dolphins have only scored 11 offensive TD's this season, and 8 of them are Henne's.

11 TD's in 8 games.

Something else is wrong here, and its not the guy throwing the ball.

I never understood what in hell Sporano was doing with Henne.

The guy has a gun and a receiver in Marshall yet they wont let him air it out. They basically hand cuffed the guy and took away his best asset... They are giving up on this kid without letting him do what he does best. Maybe he sucks but at least let him try.

We know what we are getting with Pennington which isnt a bad thing but if they werent willing to give Henne a chance then why not start Pennington from the beginning.

On a side note:

I guess this puts an end to the Sanchez vs. Henne debate.

i never quite got that one, guess more so because of the rivalry...

but the comparison really should be henne v ryan/flacco because phins had the pick of the litter that draft with the first pick.

The Titans will kill Pennington and Miami on Sunday. They will load the middle of the field cause PEnnington can't throw outside the numbers. They will blitz a ton, they know we can't throw it deep.

It's gonna be ugly.

The best thing to hope for is Pennington getting hurt on the first drive, and Henne gets back in there. I don't want Penny hurt because I like the guy, but it's stupid to replace Henne with him.

One thing we're going to be sorely missing now is Camarillo. No one could catch a hitch / curl while getting absolutely drilled from behind like him.

I had an absurd thought last night. I haven't seen Sparano's press conference or read anything other than a line or two. Did he say that Pennington will be the QB going forward? Or that he will start Sunday?

The only reason I ask is that if you look at the Fins schedule, they play the Titans Sunday, and then on 3 days prep time, play the Bears on Thursday night. I was discussing with Brian that maybe he is splitting the two starts so that Henne doesn't get hammered against the Titans and then can't play against the Bears?

Wishful thinking on my part, trying to make some sense of this idiotic move....

Henne and Pennington's reaction, followed by the original statement by Sparano:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9XGXanO4kU

"Coach said we needed a new spark", Henne.

"What I've decided to do here as we move forward right now is that this week Chad Pennington will be the quarterback", Sparano.

"It's not an indictment on [sic] Chad Henne. This is not an indictment on [sic] his future. At all", Sparano.

I was just thinking, Marshall could end up with over 200 catches with Penny at the helm...at about 1.7 yds per catch.

I don't think they are saying that at all.

I don't believe that Pennington IS better.  Sparano isn't even saying that Pennington is better.  In Sparano's words, they "need a spark" and he is hoping, nay PRAYING that Pennington will give them that.  Sparano doesn't know if Pennington will fare any better than Henne, but he's making this change in a desperate attempt to spark the offense.

And even if Pennington outperforms Henne, Pennington is NOT the future.  He's a stop gap at best.  Even if he plays well enough to get us into the playoffs is there anyone on these boards that truly believes Pennington can bring this team a championship? (Besides Tepop).  I surely don't.  And beyond that, by his own admission his days in the NFL are numbered, so why put an aging QB in charge of a young and improving team?  It doesn't make any sense.

The smart thing to do would have been to continue on with Henne and see if he could pull it together in the second half of the season.  The second half of the season that contains cannon fodder like Detroit, Buffalo, Chicago, Oakland and Cleveland.  Teams where Henne would have had a chance to gain some confidence and maybe be a little less hesitant to go down the field and maybe end up being the QB we all want him to be.  And if not, THEN you would be completely justified in benching him and starting the search for the next QB.  That would be the SMART thing to do, but that wouldn't have helped Sparano hold onto his job unless Henne suceeded.  If he failed, then Sparano would probably be tossed with Henne.  He can say that this is what's best for the team, the reality is this is what is best for Sparano.

What Sparano did was sacrifice the future for the present.  He feels the season is still in question.  That the team could still make the playoffs.  I agree the team could still make the playoffs, but the fact is if they make the playoffs with Pennington as the QB, they will have accomplished NOTHING.  This team needed HENNE to take the team to the playoffs for it to have been a successful year.  Anything short of that, including a playoff trip with Pennington at the helm is a waste of time and energy.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

If the comparison is Jake Long vs. Ryan/Flacco, I will take Long all day... um... long.

No one is second-guessing the Long pick.

AGREED.  How do you now, as the coach, bring Henne back in the future??  What do you say is your reson for bringing Henne back after you benched him??  If Henne was tentative on throws before, how's he going to perform now that he knows the coach doesn't have confidence in him??

Hate to say it but someone's going to be left without a chair come the end of the season.

I'm going to hate myself for saying this, but I agree with MikeO...UGH.  Probably also trying to protect Henning after Marshall called them out.

Pennington will be fine.  Unlike MikeO, who always seems to be running around screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling", I like to actually see things play out before I declare failure. 

Well the decision has been made and we will have to live with whatever Pennington gives us. I can't say that I don't understand the decision. While Henne hasn't been bad, he hasn't been good either. I do however think that Thigpen should have been given a chance instead of Pennington. We really haven't seen what he has to offer in a game situation, except for garbage time. And he didn't look all that bad vs Pitt last year. Thigpen may just be a diamond in the rough that we need. We know what Pennington has to offer, we know what Henne has to offer at this point in his career but we don't know what Thiggy has to offer in real game situations at the present time. Am I the only one that sees anything in him. Maybe the Makers Mark is starting to affect my judgment these days, ha ha.

Nice. I'm a Maker's guy myself. A friend actually signed me up as an ambassador. They send me little things every year for Christmas.

Thigpen has about as much starting experience as Henne, granted not for Miami, but they know what Thiggy has to offer too.  He's rough around the edges just like Henne is.  Sparano chose Pennington because of his polish, not because of his play making ability.  He's hoping that Pennington can put the ball in the hands of the receivers and THEY will make the plays.  Frankly I think that's asking a lot of your receivers against good defensive teams.  That works against the dregs of the NFL, which is what Miami will be facing much of in the 2nd half of the season.  Will it work against Tennessee?  That remains to be seen.

Yea, me too but I keep hoping that they will just send free product instead of wrapping paper and "to and from" gift tags, ha ha ha.




While I do see what you are saying about having the same starting experience as Henne. That was a couple years ago and with a different team. I guess what I should have said is that we don't know what Thigpen has to offer right now with the Dolphins. He may be the missing piece of the puzzle that we need or he may not be, but we will never know without throwing him in there and finding out. Like it or not, we know what Henne has done so far and he has been benched. I think we all know what Pennington can and can't do. The only current unknown variable with the Dolphins as far as QB's go is Thigpen. Hell we even know what Pat White couldn't and couldn't do more than Thigpen, ha ha. Shit if it were me and I was gonna bench Henne, I would throw Thigpen out there for a couple games and give him a test drive. Hell, he's gettin' paid, might as well see if the wheels are gonna fly off....................


BTW pappy, I could be crazy but I thought that I remember you saying that you would rather see Thigpen start than Pennington, earlier in the thread ???

EXACTLY.  Excellent point, sir.  Welcome to the boards.

Thanks for the welcome Maine. Been lurking around over a year but haven't posted too much. I tend to get quiet and sulk when the phins suck but the makers mark helps with that sometimes, ha ha. Unless you wanna get a chatbox around here for me to take my aggressions out on that tepop character in real time, LMFAO.............

Some of us can see the sky falling miles away (me). Some of us (you) wait for it to hit ya in the head and then act all surprised!

I only yell the sky is falling, when the sky is actually falling!!!!!!!!! You just choose to ignore when I post positive things about players or the team. You like to harp on the negative

I would, but I'd rather see Henne start than either Pennington or Thigpen.  The reason being is that Thigpen is still fairly young and could blossom into a great QB, he HAS a future.  Pennington is on his last legs and his last shoulder surgery.  He has NO future.

I don't give a damn about winning in the short term.  I care about the BIG picture.  We are not winning the SB this year no matter who you put at QB, so why bother with someone who has no future?  We need to find out THIS year who our QB is gonna be NEXT year.  It's NOT Pennington.  If it's not Henne then give Thigpen a shot, but I still believe it's Henne.

I would agree with you about throwing Thigpen out there if the reason was that Henne clearly wasn't the future.  We don't know that.  Sparano isn't saying that HE knows that.  He's saying he wants a spark.  Let's be honest, he's HOPING that Pennington can do something.  He doesn't think Henne has no future he just doesn't think he can win the next game and that's ALL that Sparano is concerned with.  I'm not.  I'm not concerned with the next game or the rest of this year.  I'm about building this team into a championship caliber football team and Pennington isn't the QB of that team.  Maybe Henne isn't either, but we need to find out.  We haven't found out yet.  Give him the rest of this year and if he doesn't get it done, THEN he'll have had his chance and start looking for a QB.  Right now he's 4-4 against a brutal schedule.  Let's see if Henne can get us to 10-6.  We don't know that he will, but we don't know that he won't based on his performace so far.  He deserves a shot.  If he get's us to 10-6 I think he'll have earned at least a shot next year.

Exactly when did MikeO and tepop become the same person?

Isn't MikeO kind of the "missing" component to Tepop? Together they are negative about EVERYTHING relating to the Dolphins.

I guess neither of us is gonna get what we want  :o !!! Actually, I'm kind of indifferent on Henne starting. He hasn't looked all that great to me but he has been OK I guess. I can't say that he shouldn't start.  If he starts, so be it. My pushing for Thigpen starting the next couple games is predicated on the fact that Henne is benched and not playing.

How am I negative about everything? I praise Henne. I praise Dansby. I praise Marshall!

But the guys who suck, like Sean Smith, Jason Allen, and our coaches and front office I will rip them.

Like I said, you CHOOSE to ignore my positive posts. And only harp on the negative ones. That is an issue YOU need to deal with. Not me. I am pleanty positive about the things that are to be positive about. You just choose not to respond to those posts and continue those dicussions.

Reading comprehension check: I said you and Tepop COMBINED are negative about everything. You each have a few things you are positive about, but there doesn't seem to be much (if any) overlap.

Firstly, this is the first time I have commented on any of your posts.  Secondly, because of people like you, I find that I don't post in the Dolphins formum much at all.  Thirdly, you saying this...


...is like a severely obese man with a Big Mac in his hand telling a marathon runner that he needs to lose weight.

Me = objective, reasonable, positive.
You = irrational, overreacting, negative.

If Miami goes left, in your world, it should have been right.  Up should have been down.  If Miami were to go undefeated and win the Super Bowl you would harp on the one game in week 7 were they needed a last minute field goal to win.

People like you?  There is no pleasing. 

I believe you would be most comfortable in the anti-Fins section.  Because, after all, you are clearly a troll.

That is all.

Sorry but this made me literally laugh out loud!!!!!

(http://www.myemoticons.com/images/super-smileys/jumbo/everyday/clapping-hands.gif)

Maine, no need to sugar coat it... say what you really feel.

^^Next time I won't bite my tongue.

:)

Regards,
NegativeMaineDolFan

you can't debate me on any one of my opinions because they are all correct. I was correct about Allen. I am correct about Sparano.  There is pleasing me.....WIN GAMES!!!  We are 2-4 in our last 6 games and 0-3 at home. Yet somehow I am supposed to post rosy thoughts and think everything wit the team is great. Get a clue! This team is bad. It's coaching is terrible.  If they go and win a bunch of games in a row, I shut up and eat crow because I was wrong. But I am being proven right about my thoughts and opinions, therefore that isn't being negative....that is being CORRECT!

So you would rather be right than happy.

You aren't right at all. 

NO!!! But I am not going to bury my head in the sand and lie to myself and say we are a good team and we have good coaches. Why, to make myself feel good?

I live in reality and can deal with the fact that my favorite NFL team isn't very good right now and is years away from being legit. Why is that such a bad thing? I need to lie to myself? How is that any good?

Ah-HA!  Proof that you are a Bills fan!

You want them to do bad when you predict they will do bad so you can be right and tell everyone you said so.

not at all.  ::)

I just want an honest, intelligent, and high level dicussion about the Fins. I don't need to be "ra-ra" about a team that there is little to nothing to be "ra-ra" about. Go back to September and read my posts after we were 2-0 and 2-0 on the road. I was "ra-ra" about the team, because there was reason to be!!  But then reality sunk in and hit us. And I'm not gonna lie to myslef and say this team is good when it isn't.

And predicted them to do bad? This is the 1st week on this site I have picked them to lose in that little contest, predict teh score thing. It took till week 9 for me to pick them to lose a game. Hardly me picking them to do bad. But why let facts get in the way of your agenda!

I actually get what MikeO is saying, and I think he's right on.  Its about popular opinion. 

When Brian Griese was a Dolphin, I was MikeO.  I knew he sucked and was vocal about it when everyone else thought differently.

The difference, though, is that I realize that OPINIONS, by their nature, are neither right nor wrong.  Opinions are not FACT.

Your opinion is Jason Allen sucks.  NOT FACT, OPINION.  There are people in Houston who disagree with you.

Learn the difference that an opinion can never be "correct" and you will be much improved.

lol, of course an opinion can be right or wrong. 

You are assuming the sky is falling. "The Titans will kill Pennington and Miami on Sunday. They will load the middle of the field cause PEnnington can't throw outside the numbers. They will blitz a ton, they know we can't throw it deep. It's gonna be ugly."  is hardly a positive prediction of how the game will play out.
You may post some positives, but you were relentless in your negativity campaign against Allen before he was benched. If we look back at your post tallies for the last few weeks, how many will be positive as opposed to negative.
You have been so vocally negative you have stolen the limelight from Tepop( kudo's on that achievement) and people now refer to you as the Yin to Tepop's Yang. Hardly a description for someone who's assesment of their "favorite" team has been balanced and fair.

To cite your favorite former whipping boy, after 5 games (when he had 1 great game against MIN, 1 good game against GB, 2 acceptable games against NE and BUF, and 1 bad game against NYJ) you said that he had been "HORRIBLE all season."

Did he go downhill from that point?  Sure.  But even when he was playing well, you were bashing him endlessly (based almost entirely on previous years' performances).  That is hardly "ra-ra."

I will be much improved? Who the F' are you Tony Robbins?

Jason Allens does suck. He was cut by Miami and picked up by teh WORST defense in the NFL!! There is no opinion about Jason Allen not sucking. HE SUCKS! That is a fact!! It took 4 years and 1 guy getting hurt and another being a 2nd round bust for him to win a starting job in Miami. He bombed out and played HORRIBLY and lost his job and was cut mid-season. Nuff said.

And not everything is an "opinion". Some things are stated facts. And people think they are opinions.  When someone says Pennington hasn't got an NFL arm, he doesn't have an NFL arm anymore. That isn't an "opinion" that is a fact. He can't throw a deep ball or a pass outside the numbers anymore. The guy is shot.

mikeo, you are like the opposite of me, i am right about 95% of the time, you are right about 5%.

Who the hell is this MikeO fool??Log off for a lil bit!!Its getting old already!!

This is where you are totally CLUELESS. Jason Allen was BAD vs NE. Even worse vs Jets the week before. He did nothnig vs an inept Bills team. And against Minny he wasn't great, Farve handed him some easy INT's. And vs GB he once again was bad. You people think if a guy gets an INT in a game he played a godo game. Not all INT's are talent based, some are dumbl uck. Jason Allen was terrible! Friggin awful. He was BENCHED and CUT in Novmber, and some of youstill want to think he had a good season based on a couple lucky INT's he got. WAKE UP!! Get a clue!

I didn't bash him when he was playing well...........BECAUSE HE NEVER PLAYED WELL THIS YEAR!!! Only a blind homer thinks he played well at any point this year. He was awful from day 1.

Or you can ignore my posts.

You can't have a conversation with someone who doesn't  share your opinions?

SPONGEBOB,Tommy,up next MikeO..........

Case in point.

Hmm lets go over your facts( i.e. opinion) vs facts.

1. Houston is not the worst defense in the league, there are 3 teams below them, although they do have the worst pass defense.
2. Miami is tied with Dallas in the number of defensive interceptions at 5. There is only one team with less INT's than us.
3. Jason Allen whom you claim is our worst defender period has 3 of those 5 INT's. That is 60%.

Now I do not pretend to know why Miami waived him, but with such an underperforming defense, I do not think it is all on him. We are 17th in the league in total defense, so one guy is not the problem.
You are ranting as if Allen is the reason that we suck so bad, but at least he has some picks to make up for his blown coverages, what does the rest of our secondary have to brag about. I could understand if you railed against the whole defense, but your anger at just one member is not logical.
Hence it is your OPINION he is the worst person on the defense.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?group=Defense&cat=Total

my anger isn't at one member of the defense. Crowder sucks too. Sean Smith, I have stated that many times. Solai isn't anything to write home about and if he is gone after this year I would be pleased. And Clemons has hands of stone.

I haven't pointed all the blame just on Jason Allen. But you people defending him and saying he was having a good year, what games do you watch. He had a couple lucky INT's throw by Farve... get over it!

you can't keep dismissing 2 picks just because the guy who threw them is Brett Favre. 

mikeo complains about all these players that suck, yet fire all the coaches? makes total sense...

I want the GM fired too. For wasting HIGH draft picks on Pat White, Sean Smith, and Patrick Turner!!

I named 4 players on defense who I think aren't great. And 1 is already gone in Jason Allen. HARDLY I am attacking a lot of players here. Don't make stuff up now because you have a paper thin argument.

4 players guys. 4!!  I didn't even mention anyone on offense because I am pleased with our offensive talent right now. I mean we could upgrade at RB in the offseason but that isn't a big deal as we sit in November of the 2010 season. So I am not attacking a lot of players here. We have enough talent to compete in this league. We just lack the coaching and front office to do so.

Sure you can. Do you watch Farve play in the year 2010? He throws those kind of terrible INT's each week. That doesn't mean the lucky guy on the recieving end is a good player...lol lol

Brett Favre has one more interception than Drew Brees.  I suppose intercepting Brees also doesn't count?

If Favre is so easy to intercept, why didn't anyone else on our team get one?  And why is Allen the only player in the league to have intercepted him twice?

lol, if you want to defend Jason Allen....go for it. That says alot about your football IQ. It really does.

Also, Vontae did get an INT vs Farve (watch the game again)

Thought the topic was about penny......

I'm just answering questions people are posing to me. Sorry for answering  ::)

And I had a Jason Allen thread started (which you all told me to do if I wanted to talk about him) and you locked it once you were all proven wrong. So ya can't win for trying sometimes!!