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I think this is getting out of hand and it starts in High School. Kids are able to switch high schools and sometimes do it a couple of times. Now the NCAA has the transfer portal for kids who won't stick around and compete for a job. Now the NFL players are demanding trades like the NBA players. We are pandering to a "me first" world. No wonder our society is filled with crazy ass people who can't handle life and the problems that come with it.  

Being an FSU fan I have been a fan of his for a while but I swear he seems to be more trouble than he is worth. Not sure he will ever be a team player and easily loves to be a distraction.

This isn't soccer, you can't request a trade and basically have it become law. These need to be stamped out otherwise we are going to end up with 5 or 6 super teams that everyone wants to play for like the NBA while the rest of the league suffers.

I don’t have a problem with players *asking* for a trade.  I have a problem with the way some player go about sabotaging their own team trying to force that. 

I'm solidly in the players camp here. They can ask for a trade. The team doesn't have to allow it, but then they just have to deal with the consequences. In the end the reason it works in soccer is because you realize that if you have an unhappy player, they'll be a distraction, they won't put in full effort and they'll just do enough to collect a paycheck and when they become free agents, they'll leave without hesitation.

In the end this is employment not forced labor. There's a word for that.

The inmates are in charge of the asylum. 

I agree.  If you aren't happy, just like at any job, you can ask to be moved to another team.  They may deny it...whatever.

It's employment.

I'm okay with requests to a degree, but if the next 5 trade requests go through, it sets a bad precedent that everyone needs to be careful of. No one will want to play for the bad teams that drafted them in the Top 5 and request trades and potentially even holdout until they get them like in contract disputes. That can't happen.

If you don't trade them they will become a distraction ... and may not even perform. The players don't have all the power but they have more than teams do in this regard. I would absolutely love for them to work in a no trade clause for the rookies and eliminate the franchise tag. Players would get to select your team once your contract runs out and they have fulfilled their original obligation.

CF, no trade clause as in an NFL team can't trade a drafted player on their first contract at all ? or is this no trade as in the player can veto the trade?

I don't think the team or the player should be able to trade a player in their rookie contract. It would help to stabilize some things but not take it back to before free agency. I also feel for players who get stuck in the franchise tag. If they get hurt they are screwed royally.

If my employer said that I would look for a new job.  If I was an NFL player and the owner said that, I would demand a trade and holdout until I got one.

They are employees, not criminals or insanity patients assigned to involuntarily care.  Anyone of authority who holds your attitude will have a multitude of labor problems.

No trade clause only makes sense if contracts are guaranteed.

That's because apparently you're a snowflake who thrives on attacking anything not politically correct ... LOL. Most people are adult enough to recognize that as a very common saying and wouldn't even think of being offended by it.

Lighten up. It is a metaphor.

LOL, yeah, I like Hoodie so I wasn't going to call him out.  But I thought everyone knew that saying. 

Shoot...I've used that metaphor many times while I was the inmate (or one of them) that was taking over the asylum.

Definitely not a phrase to get worked up about.

I have heard "inmates in charge of the asylum" many times.  I don't think that is necessarily a problem.

But a problem arose when Bob McNair, then-owner of the Texans, changed it to "inmates in charge of the prison." There is a world of difference between an asylum and a prison; for example, I've never heard anyone talk about mental health patients deserving to be raped, yet that's a common sentiment when it comes to prisoners.  It's never a good look to compare employees to criminals.

So when taking about pro athletes (and NFL players in particular), I would probably just avoid the "inmates" metaphors altogether and choose a different one.

so crazy people are better than prisoners in your mind? hahaha

It has nothing to do with the actual example used. Inmates in charge of the prison, Passengers flying the plane, Customers cooking the food, Players coaching the team. It's all the same...

Do you believe that crazy people are unfortunate victims of mental illness, or morally-deficient criminals who have intentionally chosen to break the law?
Are those two ideas nearly the same thing in your mind?

Criminals are in prison because they broke the law; they are incarcerated as punishment for their crimes.  The idea of criminals running the prison is ridiculous because they are intended to be punished, unlike mental patients, passengers, customers, etc.

Jesus, I really wish I hadn't even said anything.   It was just a commonly used metaphor.  I wasn't trying to make a statement about anything other than my opinion that with some NFL players (especially the superstars), the employees sometimes seem to dictate the actions of the employer.   If anyone has a problem with my using the term "employee" and "employer" I'm just going to give up.   ;D

An employer cannot force an employee to work against their will .. that's the beginning and the end of a labor dispute.

Very true.  The nerve of those horrible capitalist employers expecting their employees to actually work!  Power to the people, comrade.  That is why the beautiful option of firing whiney douchebag employees who don't want to do the job they are hired to do exists. 

then they should .. Jax could ways cut him .. so why don't they ?

double standards much?

They can't? Isn't that the point of paying them. If they don't work, they don't get paid. Why did they get out of bed and drive to work if they didn't want to work? Sometimes I can't even understand what the fuck you people are talking about.

When your employer pays you to work, do you really feel like he's forced you to work? Do you understand the difference between the words "Forced" and "Enticed?"

Unless the employer is a prison, the employer really can't force someone to work.

Then technically that person is no longer an employee

This whole discussion is stupid and makes no sense. No one can force you to work. Not even a prison. They can beat you, torture you, or even kill you. That's still not going to force you to work. If a person has resolve not to work, no one can force them.

The saying "Inmates in charge of the prison" has nothing to do with inmates or prisons. It's used to describe a situation where the subordinates have taken control of and organization or situation. God damn, you fruitcake PC liberals will cry about anything, LMFAO.

You're using a ridiculous interpretation of the word "force." It's like saying that if I'm robbing you with a gun to your head, I'm not forcing you to give me your money because you still have to choose to give it to me.

By this crazy logic, taxes are completely "voluntary."

How are taxes not voluntary. Do I have a choice not to file and pay taxes? They can punish you for not paying them. But they can't make you pay them. Don't pay your taxes and then go blow all your money on crack, prostitutes, and at the casino. What they gonna do? Lock you up? You still ain't paid the taxes. Most things in life are voluntary.

Anyhow, we're talking about an employer/employee relationship. There is no forcing them to work, it's a business arrangement. If they don't want to work, don't pay them, and then call the police to FORCE them to leave the premises. If they don't want to work and you let them stay with no consequences, then indeed the "Inmates are in charge of the prison"....

Even though I usually disagree with you, your comments most of the time at least show some thoughtful consideration of what you are saying.  But your comments in this thread have been the kinds of things I expect from D4L.   

i should have /s this comment .. it was meant in sarcasm

Request granted

Where's the righteous indignation about how Jax is tanking and how it's harming the rest of the team that they're trading away their best player?

A bunch of fucking crybabies getting their way is all this is

Probably because Jax didn't want to trade and him and hoped that he would be a man and abide by his legally binding contract.  Unfortunately, Ramsey was a humongous vag who faked an injury and made it clear that he was never going to do the job he was being paid for.  So the team had no choice but to trade him. 

Agreed, he pulled some bullshit and I don't like this current trend. Not going to be any good for bad teams trying to get better if their young and cheap players pull this bullshit to go to contenders immediately.

That being said, this was a huge haul for the Jags. They played it as best as they could.