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Title: This Just In: The National League is Terrible Post by: EDGECRUSHER on June 28, 2006, 07:46:46 pm Their two best teams, the Cardinals and Mets are getting obliterated in interleague play. It's just a horrible league and I would take about 8 or 9 AL teams over the NL's best.
Red Sox Yankees A's Tigers White Sox Twins Blue Jays Rangers Indians(if they get their act together) All of them are better than the Mets & Cardinals. It's just too much of a light hitting league, the pitchers can't handle the offenses in the AL. Just look at the NL pitchers who went to the AL and vice versa. Randy Johnson has an ERA over 5 while Chris Carpenter wins the Cy Young. Ridiculous. Title: Re: This Just In: The National League is Terrible Post by: EDGECRUSHER on June 28, 2006, 09:00:50 pm Oh, and if you are facing Josh Beckett, don't give up a lot of runs otherwise he will shut you down. If it's close he doesn't do as well(so far anyway), but if it's 5-0 or more, it's over. Put in the reserves and call it a day.
Maybe it allows him to expand the plate or throw more strikes, I don't know. It just means you are dead. Oh, and Lastings Milledge sucks. Title: Re: This Just In: The National League is Terrible Post by: Fau Teixeira on June 29, 2006, 09:31:22 am good topic ...
i vote we do away with the DH rule in the AL .. it's a crap rule .. pitchers are players too .. let them hit ! Title: Re: This Just In: The National League is Terrible Post by: Denver_Bronco on June 29, 2006, 09:53:58 am I agree. The NL is god awful. I just hope that the AL wins the all star game so the Yankees have home field for the World Series this year.
Title: Re: This Just In: The National League is Terrible Post by: Brian Fein on June 29, 2006, 10:00:07 am i vote we do away with the DH rule in the AL .. it's a crap rule .. pitchers are players too .. let them hit ! (http://aseclub.net/invision/html/emoticons/mswerd.gif) Title: Re: This Just In: The National League is Terrible Post by: Sunstroke on June 29, 2006, 10:28:35 am Their two best teams, the Cardinals and Mets are getting obliterated in interleague play. It's just a horrible league and I would take about 8 or 9 AL teams over the NL's best. Red Sox Yankees A's Tigers White Sox Twins Blue Jays Rangers Indians(if they get their act together) All of them are better than the Mets & Cardinals. It's just too much of a light hitting league, the pitchers can't handle the offenses in the AL. Just look at the NL pitchers who went to the AL and vice versa. Randy Johnson has an ERA over 5 while Chris Carpenter wins the Cy Young. Ridiculous. If you took the Indians, A's, Rangers and possibly even the Blue Jays off this list, I might have an easier time swallowing it. I'm not a Mets or a Card's fan, but I think both of those teams would more than hold their own against the four teams I plucked from your group. Title: Re: This Just In: The National League is Terrible Post by: MaineDolFan on June 29, 2006, 11:42:43 am The National League has long been the weak sister for a while, these things go through cycles. Even the year the Marlins beat the Yankees for the title, the AL was a superior league. It'll shift eventually. Problem is the style of play. The NL teams rely on speed, defense and to manufacture runs. A typical NL score between two good NL teams is 3-2 (ish).
AL teams that are GOOD have kept their high powered offense while adding power arms, improving defense and adding speed. AL offenses are explosive with sprinkles of what the NL does. The Mets are the "class" of the NL right now and have been exposed. Title: Re: This Just In: The National League is Terrible Post by: CF DolFan on June 29, 2006, 11:58:57 am You guys are nuts! The Braves are just waiting until after the ALL-Star break to make a run! Why waist the energy now? ;D
Title: Re: This Just In: The National League is Terrible Post by: EDGECRUSHER on June 29, 2006, 12:33:02 pm The National League has long been the weak sister for a while, these things go through cycles. Even the year the Marlins beat the Yankees for the title, the AL was a superior league. It'll shift eventually. Problem is the style of play. The NL teams rely on speed, defense and to manufacture runs. A typical NL score between two good NL teams is 3-2 (ish). AL teams that are GOOD have kept their high powered offense while adding power arms, improving defense and adding speed. AL offenses are explosive with sprinkles of what the NL does. The Mets are the "class" of the NL right now and have been exposed. Absolutely right, but the amazing thing is during the playoffs the style of play that wins the most is the NL style. Yet, the AL dominates them. In October, you don't score a lot of runs because you draw wlaks and work the count, you score runs with multiple hits and sac bunts and productive groundouts. Basically, the NL style. Yet, we(the AL)own them. It's pretty laughable actually. Boston is on an 11 game winning streak and it's all against the NL. That's about an 8-3 or 9-2 record against the AL. I am sure they make it 12 tonight after roughing up Glavine. I think we should take 2 playoff spots away from the NL and give it to the AL. Of the White Sox, Red Sox, Tigers, Yankees & A's, one of them won't be in the playoffs. Yet, the Giants or Astros will. Maybe both. Title: Re: This Just In: The National League is Terrible Post by: Sunstroke on June 29, 2006, 12:48:24 pm I think we should take 2 playoff spots away from the NL and give it to the AL. Of the White Sox, Red Sox, Tigers, Yankees & A's, one of them won't be in the playoffs. Yet, the Giants or Astros will. Maybe both. C'mon, Edge... Giants won't even be within sniffing distance of a playoff spot when September ends...same goes for the Astros (even with old man Clemens in the fold). And, as far as the A's go...if they can't even hang with my Padres, they certainly don't deserve to be comp'ed one of the NL's playoff spots. Hell, nobody in the AL West has a winning record in interleague play. The AL is definitely the stronger league "at the moment," but moments are finite things...they come to an end eventually. At this point, I am going to start lighting candles for the NL (whoever) beats the AL (whoever) in the World Series this year. When it happens, some of you AL elitists are really going to get an ear full. ;) Title: Re: This Just In: The National League is Terrible Post by: EDGECRUSHER on June 29, 2006, 01:33:03 pm The NL West is close, so any of those 4 teams(no Rockies)can win the division and it wouldn't surprise me. I would prefer the Padres over the Giants because I don't like the other 3 teams, with the Giants leading the way because of Bonds.
The Astros for the past 2 years have started off very slow and then won the Wild Card, so I won't count them out just yet. If Pettitte gets back on track they have the best 1-2-3 in the game. Besides, SOMEONE has to win the Wild Card and it won't be from the East or West. The East doesn't even have a winning team aside from the Mets. "At the moment" has been going on for years now though. 1992 - 2005 has seen these champions: Blue Jays Blue Jays strike year Braves Yankees Marlins Yankees(sweep) Yankees(sweep) Yankees Diamondbacks(essentially a 2 man team plus juicebag Gonzo) Angels Marlins Red Sox(sweep) White Sox(sweep) NL hasn't won the All-Star game since 1996 and I think they only won 1 or 2 since 1980. It's not just this year, they have owned the NL for awhile now. Frankly, I'd be shocked if the AL Champions don't sweep the NL Champions. Mets can't hang with Boston and if Matsui & Sheffield come back, they can't hang with the Yankees either. Not to mention the White Sox. It's a bad league and it has been for a long time now. Will it stay that way forever? Of course not. Will it continue in the immediate future? Very likely. The AL just has the better players and better GM's.....aside from the ones who give big contracts to NL pitchers >:( Title: Re: This Just In: The National League is Terrible Post by: crazy_scar_man on June 29, 2006, 01:33:10 pm The same could have been said for the NFC in the NFL last year.
Title: Re: This Just In: The National League is Terrible Post by: Sunstroke on June 29, 2006, 02:20:09 pm I understand what you're saying, Edge, but using the all star game exhibition to illustrate which league has the better teams is insane. It's a fan-fest, and carries no weight at all in my mind toward the quality of individual teams within each league. Looking at that list though, I think a more accurate assessment would be to say "the teams that spend the most on player talent have a more likely chance of winning a world series." I'm still going to laugh at the AL chest-pumpers when the NL wins the World Series this year. ;D Title: Re: This Just In: The National League is Terrible Post by: Brian Fein on June 29, 2006, 02:22:35 pm Not unless the Marlins really make a run. Seems no one else in the NL can hold it up during the series.
(except the D-back, but they don't count cause they suck.) Title: Re: This Just In: The National League is Terrible Post by: MaineDolFan on June 29, 2006, 03:05:36 pm The AL is definitely the stronger league "at the moment," but moments are finite things...they come to an end eventually. Anyone else remember the NFC dominating the AFC...and how the AFC had three "decent" teams versus 6 or 7 ball buster NFC teams? Those years of the Broncos and Bills...any one of 5 NFC teams would have ruined them. Now, the AFC seems to have titled that power. All things cycle. At this point, I am going to start lighting candles for the NL (whoever) beats the AL (whoever) in the World Series this year. When it happens, some of you AL elitists are really going to get an ear full. ;) The beauty of the seven game series - anything can happen. Again, the Marlins had no right getting past the Yankees that year, but got hot at the right time. People seem to think that Chicago steam rolled Houston last year, but three of those games were 2 or 1 run games. 7 game series, it's a pretty thing!Title: Re: This Just In: The National League is Terrible Post by: EDGECRUSHER on June 29, 2006, 03:35:17 pm In the Yankees defense, Joe Torre DID keep Mariano on the bench and instead opted for Jeff Weaver in the 13th inning. So, Florida got hot and Torre said "I'm tired of winning" as well.
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