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I've seen a few people on this board say they don't like it when a topic veers into some political or moral or religious argument.

I personally don't mind it. I don't think a disagreement needs to be nasty or bad. I guess I'm asking, is it really so bad that we have disagreements on this board and that we hash them out?

Depends on the situation, IMO. 

I don't like personal attacks, plain and simple.  I tend not to attack anyone unless they attack me first.  I respect other's policital and religious beliefs and you will never see me bashing anyone for them as a result.  Anyone on here should feel free to state their political opinions and/or religious beliefs without being subject to attack by someone else.

i don't mind disagreements, political threads are to me, the most pointless, nobody is going to change the other persons mind.

i try not to make personal attacks but I have a tendency to say things based on frustration. In the end i don't mean those things, it justs happens. I think everyone should know on this board that i respect everyone on the board (even ones i disagree with like Guru-In-Vegas) so they shouldn't take the personal attacks i say seriously.

I don't mind when you guys disagree with each other...only when you disagree with me.

So, knock it off already!!

;D

SC I enjoy disagreeing with you.  It reminds me of some of my very close friends whom I used to work with.  They were conservative and we would discuss things in a cool way.  We would point to weaknesses in eachother's arguments but thats as far as it would go.  It was never to change someone else's mind, it was just to actually discuss and think about things that would be the best solution to problems. 

As far as it getting to morality and religion, I have no issue with that at all.  Even though I may be your polarized opposite, what kind of world would this be if everyone thought and felt the same way about everything?  In fact, I find it just as refreshing to find someone who feels completely different about things as someone who feels the same as me. 

Granted, there is one thing though.  I only feel this way when someone argues in an acceptable manner.  Shooting from the hip is annoying and I find it a waste of time when someone actually knows less than I do regarding the subject they are trying to defend.  The whole point of discussions, to me anyway, is to leave with a bit more understanding of the other side.     

I disagree.  ;D

I disagree.  Disagreements suck.  and so do all of you!

GRR!! >:(

I think disagreements make things interesting.
However, personal attacks aren't awesome.
If someone disagrees with your political or religious beliefs, calling them a poopy head only makes you look like...well...a poopy head.

Raptor hit it on the head.  When it comes to something political or regarding religion, people spend too much time trying to show the other person why they are wrong versus merely explaining their personal stance.  You're generally not going to get someone to change their mind when it comes to those topics.

I had this discussion with CF offline and out of forum once - I don't talk about it a lot here but I am a Christian and member of the UCC.  One of my best friends in the world is Jewish.  We had a lot of good natured and spirited debates on religion knowing darn well that we're not going to change each other's mind.  Through our friendship, however, I have learned so much about the Jewish religion that it's not funny - and he the Christian thought process from me. 

That is the beauty of disagreements is the education they will provide if you open your mind.

I agree on religion.  No one is forced to fund the religion of others. 

Regarding politics, on the other hand, those of us who pay taxes are forced to pay for the bad decisions of others so it does have a direct affect on us.  In many cases we enable, encourage even, poor choices.

I think this is already been said,in one form or another...but I'll do it in my own redneck way....

I think disagreements are fine,But I think there is a fine line between A disagreement ,and taking a simple yes or no Question and turning into a 3-5 page argument over semantics....That frankly it's the same 3-5 people arguing in the threads....it Bores the hell out of the rest of the people...Let's remember Last year there was a poll on the board about religion,an political threads and the majority of the people voted them as the worst threads...Frimp actually took it as an attack,on what he enjoys posting....

I know some smart ass is going to say if you don't like reading them,don't click it...Well sorry I don't get that luxury,because that's part of my responsibility to read them...I get 15 minutes or so here and there through out the work day,I come here..and have to read these boring threads,that only 3-4 people are going back an forth.By the time I'm done reading them,I don't have time,or want to start a thread that I think might be be fun for lots of people....Like if you owned a cat/dog that was so ugly and you shaved it's ass and made it walk backwards...What would you name it?

In otherwards...Throw all the lawyers,and wanna be lawyers to the bottom of the ocean!  ::) :D

Ok you may resume your spitball war at will.....

Well said, B.

I like debates. I usually prefer to stay away from controversial subjects for two simple reasons:

1) I don't want my opinion on some random controversial subject to dominate the stuff I come here to discuss (football and the Dolphins).
2) I find that most people don't debate controversial issues. They simply state their adamant belief and no amount of arguments can shake their faith in their beliefs. And, no, this is certainly not limited to Religious beliefs. I would like to think that I have no opinions that could not be affected by arguments - not that I believe these arguments exist in all cases, but in theory anyway...

The current discussion, primarily with SCFinFan, in the "fired teacher" thread is one of the only times I've engaged in such debate here (or anywhere on the 'net for that matter). I prefer them in person, aside from the reasons listed above.

Oh, and I apologize for driving the "fired teacher" thread completely off topic (or, at least, helping to do so). It would perhaps have been better had I initially replied to SCFinFan in the "should porn be banned" thread, but the parts of the discussion that set off my reply were not located there.

That said, I'm not a huge believer in keeping threads strictly on topic. Especially in the "off topic" section of a forum... ;-)

We could actually use a forum for political as well as religion as some threads need to be dumped there.  I particuly don't care for the political and believe it or not, I ignore some of the religious barbs.  When I see Christianity directly attacked I feel compelled to speak but even I don't speak up every time as I know it is useless .... at least to most of those in the post.  I have received some very nice responses and questions behind the scenes and that is why I feel most compelled do it.

I am not exactly sure where you're going with this or what you mean.  Person 'a' supports lifting the gas tax for the summer while person 'b' likens it to a political trick.  Persons 'a' and 'b' squabble over it, neither backing down.  This is 99.9999% of the political conversations on this board.  People's minds are made up and the only agenda item is demonstrating that they are right, the other person is wrong and closed minds prevail.

So I'm not sure what this has to do with paying taxes and poor choices.  And, again, what you consider a poor choice is probably the best idea since sliced bread to someone else.

But up to 10,000 people may be dead in Myanmar,and we've had a simple yes or no should porn be banned turn into a thread on slavery,weight loss,and lifestyles.....

It wasn't to call anyone person out....It's just something I notcied...When there are a couple of political/religion threads...There is a whole group of people that damn near quit posting.....I also feel like it drags the boards down....

I don't feel a political or religious section  is needed, to me,that's just catering to a hand full of people....

It's not a simple yes or no question, B. 

"Do you view porn" is a yes or no question.  "Yes, I love porn."  Boom, there it is.

The question on taking away something that, right or wrong, has become a staple society the world over isn't so cut and dry.  Of course it's going to go all over the board.  Whether it should be banned or not is going to draw out conversation that circles around so many things: our rights, religious stances, moral ones, lines that would be blurred in regards to where 'banning' ends.

But if there was a forum to express these kind of things it would help to contain them ... but not eliminate them. 

I agree with Maine in the fact you never know where a thread will go because the basics for most arguements go back to morals and personal freedoms and where each individual sees the "normal" line.  I also agree with you that many times it turns into a back and forth argument that most people don't care to read. Without a plac to seperate these threads from the others ... I don't see any way around them.

Maine it is a simple yes or no question.....it is a simple question....Should Porn be completely banned?

It's everyone trying to prove they're smart,there are plenty of responses in there,that aren't 2-3 paragraphs about their beliefs....

And Cf, I feel like people should show some restraint,and go,is this something that most everyone on the board might find interesting? or Do I just have a point to make.....

Modified to add.....If you start a religion,political thread section...,You might as well break it down,and make a section about movies and music..and another one for art,and another one for help.......You lose the community feel of our board....

B - if it's that simple than answer the question.  Keep in mind that if you are answering 'yes' you need to spell out why you are altering this:

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

If your answer is anything other than "no" than there is a "why?" attached to it.  It's become more than a "yes or no" question and I certainly don't feel it's folks trying to flex their brain pans.

That's fine but even here this is what bothers the hell out of me...This thread is about disagreement...Not the thread should porn be banned....and you're bring the views of the thread on here...The question was simple..
The issue may not have been....You have people arguing Slavery,and wieghtloss,and other issues....not Porn...

This issue comes up every year during the offseason...With the political threads...

This coming from the moderator that has a topic at the top saying...Please keep all topics on thread,and has a set of rules at the top of his thread,coming here and saying I feel it's it's OK if topics go off topic and go to a different direction.....

I'm trying to point out..that the 3 or 4 people that keep posting back and forth posting articles to support this or that,or dragging the argument into totally different topics....Tend to bore everyone else,And other people tend to shy away from the board.....

You know I got nothing but love for ya...

...but don't give us any bullshit about caring about people shying away from the board when not one moderator commented about the "Fuck the Pope with a rusty screwdriver" comment. 

From a moderation standpoint, there's nothing against forum policy about that statement.  No action needed to be taken.  It's personal attacks on each other that we don't allow...attacks on religious figureheads/politicians/players are fine.

I also didn't get any complaints about the comment,  ;) I've not gotten any complaints on my avatar flipping the bird.....

But Run,you've been around here long enough to see when there are 2 or 3 threads that are political,or religious...and become 3-4 pages long...Very few new topics pop up,It seems to be the same 3-5 people arguing in the thread.....I also understand there are a lot of people on here that don't come here for the football side of it,but enjoy the off board,and community feel of the board.....
That's I do care about.....I mean there are days I don't want to come here,I go to other websites,with my limited time throughout the day.....

and yes,I do have alot of shit going on.....So my fuse is shorter than normal....

I feel like political and religious threads add depth to the boards.  I don't think I would frequent as often if all topics were "whats your favorite bread for a sandwich" or "whats your favorite color?"  Even though I may be one of those 5 people you mention, I'm sure there are a lot more who just read and take in what everyone is saying without any input.

I have to say I enjoy the back and forth debating to a point.  If I become bored, I stop reading that thread.  The "what's your favorite" threads are the ones that are boring to me.

No no no!  Haven't you been paying attention?  When you get bored you're supposed to ask everyone else to stop.   :P

I'm bored with this thread.  Everyone should stop posting in it.  ;D

I do, huh?  Really?  Weird, Lil B --- I believe the only thing I did was take Sunstroke's comments about obese people and make a point.

If you're going to throw around flaming daggers at people how about throwing them accurately?  Because my stance held hands with the original one and I didn't say a %$##% thing about SLAVERY.  Or LOSING WEIGHT.

Try reading what people wrote before attacking someone.  I didn't bring up the obese thing.  Someone else did.  My point was on task with the discussion at hand - and it wasn't off topic what-so-ever.  If you are going to ban porn, as Stroke said, where do you stop? 

Thanks.

Geez, Lil B must be acting like me too.  (http://209.85.62.23/55/133/emo/shrug.gif)

Did I say Maine...You're were vering the topic to Slavery,and weight loss isssues? No I'm stateing the thread has become ,something other then porn,and you said........How about reading the before you start attacking?


But yet you hijack a thread on disagreement to bring points from another thread... another thread?

Go to hell....


This coming from the person that I get the most complaints about the off board topics....going too far? ::)

Geesh ... seems a little hostile around here lately! Do we need a common coach or QB to hate on or what?  ;) ;D

Nice maturity there, pal.  And you're calling me out as a moderator that doesn't walk the walk?  LOL.


If you seriously get the most complaints about me in the off topic thread -- well -- that's awesome!  I keep some fairly interesting company in here.  I'm tops on the complaint list?  That sort of makes my day!

Going off topic:  Yep, I do have that in my thread.  I also have this in that same post:


It's called "being flexible."

Porn thread:  I didn't take the subject off topic.  Not my fault if you couldn't follow along.  The thread was about banning porn.  Someone else not named Maine brought up the devil's advocate point of why don't we just ban fat people.  My response to that:


Sure, looks awfully off topic to me.  I guess my response in that thread should have just been "No" and that's it.

This thread:  the thread is aboutdisagreements.  You made the statement that it was a black and white "yes or no" question.  It's not.  Again, sorry if that doesn't fit into a neat little box for you.

Rebel moderators are why we invaded Iraq.

Again maine are you on drugs or just need hooked on phonics?

This is the thread you're hijacking!

I never said you were hijacking the the porn thread did I? but wait this is arguing with Maine..No one ever can be right? A.) He changes his postition,. B.) we're not smart Enough....