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Let's face it!

We've all talked about loyalty in sports and basically, there isn't any.

John Beck does not stand a chance as the Dolphins future quarterback.

He's in a damn if you do and damn if you don't position.

Gone are the days in which a new coach comes in and works with what is there and turns a team until championship material. That's too hard to do. The easy way out is to bring in your Butler, your Maid, Fee Fee your poodle, 25 coaches that you had beer with your previous stop (see Nick Saban) and the players that you think that will get the job done.

Let's say that Beck wins the starting job and pulls a Drew Brees of three-years ago and has an outstanding season. I can guarantee you that management lets him go in free agency because basically, they want their "pick" in the game (Henne) or some other QB.

Let's say that Beck is not the starter. He's gone anyway.

Beck seems like a good kid with his head on straight that can become an effective quarterback in this league but he's in a no win situation with the Parcells regime. Beck thrives in spread offenses with great protection. Parcells is a coach that loves the running game, even when it's 3rd and 8. How many times did you see runs on those downs with Ottis Anderson and Joe Morris when he was coach with the Giants? That's why he hated Julius Jones and started inserting Marion Barber in Dallas on 3rd downs because Barber had the unusual gift of turning a running play on a 3rd and 8 into a first down.

Here's hoping that beck wins the starting job, does great and goes somewhere else.

All I've got to say is...

Watch out Ronnie Brown.

I'm sorry but I just don't get the logic in that if Beck turns out to be a stud, the Dolphins will trade him because the new regime wants "their" guy in there.  That would be shooting themselves in the foot, unless they have 2 studs to chose from.

That's because you're not a man ....









Oops, got sidetracked there and almost forgot to finish my statement - sorry!

.... and thus can't be inflicted with egomania.

I hope that Miami keeps, and plays, the best possible QB they can run out under center.

I don't share ethurst's optimism for Beck, but if he does develop into a legitimate starting caliber QB, then more power to him...and us. ;D

I'm just not ready to shit on Beck yet. The kid barely had a chance. I hope the Kid competes, if not then it will be the final piece of Camerons Legacy that we can ship out on I95 North soon enough.  But he turns 28 this year. If he's gonna develop into anything he had better start now.  :|

I really think we're going to see great things from Beck this season.  I think, by the end of this year, its going to be McCown the odd man out.

I expect Beck to beat out Josh for the starting job, and start most of the season, getting better ads the season goes on.  He probably won't become a franchise QB, but he'll fill the void under the "servicable" to "above average" category.

I have to respectfully disagree, Ethurst. If Beck can show the Tuna he deserves to start, he'll get the nod. Parcells just wants to win, and though he certainly isn't sold on Beck as the QB of the future, he isn't about to toss him aside just yet. There are 3 guys who have a shot this year at starting, and hopefully at least one of them turns out to be a front line NFL QB. And if none of them prove any better than "servicable" (as per our Mr. Fein), Parcells will cast the detritus aside, and keep drafting until he gets himself a good one.

In his rookie preseason stints, it seemed like God was with him. He's had pro experience as a starter, even though it may be on considerably the worst NFL franchise for last year (though I don't personally agree with that.) That's saying a lot. He'll compete with McCown, and it'll be interesting to see who wins.

Stroke & I don't disagree on much, but I do disagree with him on Beck.  I see things in this kid that I really like a lot.  I think that Beck haters would be well served to go to Youtube and pull up video of Tom Brady's first season under center for the Pats.  Watch those side by side with Beck's starts.  The same things that were positives about Brady are positives about Beck and, alas, the same 'deer in the headlight' look that you see on Beck is what you'll find Brady looked like.  They had the same fundamental issues.

Say what you will about Tom Brady, I think he turned out okay.

The reason I compare the two is this:  even after winning a Super Bowl in that year I remember callers to my show blasting Brady the same way they blast Beck now.  The Pats need to address QB in up coming draft, the dodged a bullet with him under center, they should trade for a veteran arm...it took Patriot fans a couple years to really come around to what they had with Tom.

Beck doesn't have the same luxary that Brady did - O line is terrible, no weapons to speak of, a defense that didn't make his field shorter.  Where Brady was born into the NFL with the proverbial silver spoon in his mouth, Beck was born into NFL poverty.  And yet the skill sets appear close, almost uncanny.

I am excited to see what this kid will evolve into.

Maybe that's just it!  We need to start videotaping defensive signals and pipe them into Beck's helmet speaker!  Then, maybe he'll be just as good as Tom Brady!

Stolen signals or not, you can not 'fake' a perfectly executed fly pattern and place a ball perfectly over the WR's should in stride with stolen calls.  Last time I checked, Brady was pretty fantastic at that. 

I took a look at some Brady youtubes this morning, and have to respectfully disagree...I see nothing of Brady in John Beck (aside from both being classified as carbon-based mammals), and I think the whole "let's compare a nobody QB with a hall of fame QB because they might have had a similar 'this or that' in common..." line of reasoning is kind of goofy. I can find similarities between Ted Ginn's game and Jerry Rice's game. I can find similarities between Vernon Carey's game and Orlando Pace's game.

But, when it's all said and done, Ted isn't ever going to be Jerry, Vernon isn't ever going to be Orlando, and Beck isn't ever going to be Brady. Thinking any other way is a sure recipe for a massive letdown.

I think you have missed my point.  If someone like Brady can over come what he did, and had the same tendencies, perhaps it's a tad too early to write off Beck.

Brady had weapons all around him, a defense that gave him short fields to work with and an offensive line that protected him.  And he still looked like shit.  Watch the wild card game in 2001.  Watch game film from the Steelers game until he got hurt and Bledsoe came in.  Brady was pretty dreadful, but he did have some solid tools to build from.

Brady is smart, so is Beck.  I'm not saying Beck will be Brady, I AM saying it's way too early to write his career off.  That's like saying a team is hopeless after starting 0-1.

I'll say this, beck better outperform McCown and Henne by a wide margain to be considered as the long term solution for the dolphins, because if the race is even ethurst is right the fat and ireland are going with "there guy".

You have to admit, whether you agree with ethurst or not, that Parcells has shown that he only wants guys that he picks.  I honestly believe that he would have fired the entire team if he thought he could have gotten away with it.  But if he had done that, then we would be 0-16 this year and that wouldn't look too good for Parcells.

Anyone who was here before the Parcells regime should go ahead and line up a moving company just to be prepared.  This particularly applies to Beck, just as ethurst stated.

By the way, this is the thing I like the least about the Parcells method.  He cleans house to the point that it hurts the team (just a little too much).  I feel that this is what has kept his projects from making the step from playoff teams to championship teams. 

Good luck Beck, I am pulling for you!  I just can't help getting the feeling that your gonna get screwed.  Hope I am wrong.

Doc's got a point here.  They say that actions speak louder than words.  This could very well be true for the new Dolphins brass.   All this media hype about the new Parcells regime liking Beck, and then they go and draft Chad Henne in the second round. 

They had to say they liked Beck. If they didn't say they liked him, and then were unable to draft any QB's they did like, it would've looked like they were screwed and "stuck" with Beck. By hyping him up and saying how much they loved Beck, they look like they got their cake and ate it too. (By keeping Beck, whom they liked, and drafting Henne, whom they also liked).

I don't even believe Beck will win the starting job this year, McCown will get the nod/
There are things I do like about Beck, one is his foot work, but that is over shadowed by his poor play making abilities. I would like to see Beck continue as a back up in Miami, I believe he would a good asset in that position.

OK, but do you really think they liked Beck that much if they drafted Chad Henne?

Yes it's called covering all your bases...You don't like what's out on the free agent market.You also have Becks age to take into consideration....Unfiortunatl y there will be fans screaming week 3 to put Henne in....God forbid he struggles,they'll write him off ....

Beck never had a chance because by the time he can actually develop into anything he will be pushing 30.
His age is his biggest downfall.
I say unless he's clear cut above the rest - deal him if possible.
Too many of you are afraid to do this because you think we are dealing away a Tom Brady in the rough.
Ha!
The odds are in the Phins favor overwhelmingly.
Trade the Mormon

He has no trade value.

It's not that Parcells likes or hates Beck. I think Beck is a cypher right now. Beck played well at BYU and has a big league arm. Of his four games last year with the phins, two of them were played in a swamp, and the two games with decent field conditions took place while he was surrounded with the least talented and most dispirited offensive personnel in the NFL. You're not going to look like Joe Montana or Johhny Unitas when you're throwing to starting wideout Derek Hagen, and Samkon Gado is your feature tailback.

Look, he's on the roster, he has no trade value, and he's under contract. There's no reason to dump him now, when he might show some ability. He'll get his chance, as will McCown and Henne. If he shows he's better than the other two guys, he'll play, because Parcells wants to build a winner and is looking for a QB. Alternatively,  if he doesn't show much, he'll sit on the bench this year and be gone the next.

And all I hope and pray for is that one of these three guys steps out of the pack, and shows he has what it takes to be what the Dolphins have not had since about 1995 or 1996--a QB that teams must respect and fear. I don't care which of the three it is, I'll take any one of them if they can play.

I like everything you are saying but don't you get the feeling based on history that Parcells only really wants the guys that he picks, particularly at the "key postions"? 

I would think that Beck would have to be absolutely, undeniably, incredible to stay with the team past this season.  I also don't think he is going to be given a true shot this season (meaning more than a couple of starts).  Because of this, I have to agree that Beck hardly stands a chance.

I like your logic, but I don't see Parcells using that logic and although I still think Parcells is overall great at what he does, this is where I think the ego of Parcells could hurt the team (at least a little).

While the point of John not being a "Parcells" guy is well taken. It is also a given that John Beck will not be out worked or out prepared; be it in the gym, the film room, or the practice field. If he doesn't win the starting job it will be because McCown or Henne  is better in the real arena with the bullets flying.

P.S. John Beck will be 27 in Aug. not 28.

Speaking of Mormon QB's, I think Garcia really didn't impress anybody very much until 9r's signed him. Over there, he's as good as Young & Montana. Now my take: If Parcells roots another coaching tree in South Florida, then Beck's in like Flint. Either that, or Parcells has flamed out of coaching like Pat Riley. I think he's smart enough to retain the starting spot and has a better shot than Henne and McCown.

If McCown was playoff-calibre, would the Raiders have jumped at C-Pep? Henne could be another Marino, but it would take that kind of skill and ability to unseat Beck. 

Has McCown ever even been starting caliber???

  If I had to sum it up in one word...  NO!

You can never really tell.  Josh  may blossom with Miami just like how Trent green did when he went to KC.  Sometimes its the new enviroment and the system that can bring about change.   Hopefully our QB problems will end soon enough!

Why is this a given? This doesn't sound like a "given," as much as it sounds like a fan of that particular player saying nice things about the player they like.

And while that's cool... it's not a given. ;)

Ahem ...***Cough **Cough***..Rich Gannon ***Cough***Cough***...There have been other QB's that got with People that Believed in them after being tossed a side for other people....So until Preseason games starts,and One of these Qb's step up,I'm not really gonna comment on who's better...None of them know the system,they're all new....

Parcells has a history of totally cleaning house...to a fault. Ronnie Brown better run for 1500+ yards or he's a goner.

I would like to see Ronnie Brown go to the Broncos. His style compliments Shanahans offense. When Shanahan was asked early last year who his favorite running back was, he said..."that guy in Miami, Ronnie Brown is very good." That's all he could say without any kind of tampering issue coming up.

It's true that Parcells only wants his "guys". If it would have been his choice, Tony Romo would still be on the bench and Bledsoe would be throwing INT's. Jerry Jones made the decision to play Romo after the players secretly complained about Bledsoe holding the ball too long.

I like players like Beck and Ronnie Brown. The plus side is that they are great people off the field too.

As for Ricky Williams, you can say all that you want but the Rickster is smart. He's retiring in two more years to settle the debt owed to the Dolphins (who knows, Wayne might write it off as a loss). Williams knows that Parcells doesn't have a talented team and Bill knows that so he needs as many impact players as possible and Ricky and grudginly to Parcells, Jason Taylor is the other guy.

You can expect almost all the players to be gone from the Saban Era next year. I don't see Jason Allen being here (insert Roy Williams from Dallas here), I don't see Will Allen starting next year (insert retiree Mark Collins from the Giants here).

  Let's see.  35 TD's to 40 INT's, 71.6% Career QBR, 57.9% Career Completion Percentage, and 39 fumbles in 44 games.  Yeah...  He sounds like a real winner.

Did you watch any of his games?  He looked pretty good considering how incredibly crapy his teams were.  He pulled out some very unexpected wins.  I'm willing to consider that he has an upside in a program designed to win.  I'm not going to "crown his ass" though.   ;D

Careful, 619...your bias is showing. ;)

McCown did look pretty decent, despite the statlines. He looked like a very athletic QB on a few ridiculously undertalented teams. That said, Miami is another ridiculously undertalented team, so not sure that any of our QBs will look good early on in this rebuild.