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I know most of you abhor the idea of JT wearing a Patriots uniform.  But if the Patriots made an offer comparable to other teams, for the Dolphins to ship him to NE instead of Dallas, SD, NY, etc. 

I assume you are not such homer that you actually believe the Dolphins have a legitimate shot at winning the SB in the next two years.  So if JT is playing for the Pats how does that change?  Even if the Patriots were to completely collapse Dolphins still aren't going very far.  So no real impact for the Dolphins while JT is playing.

Ask yourself what is the Patriots biggest problem long term. 

Ask yourself why are teams not real willing to give up draft picks for a guy who is going to play only one or two years. 

The fact is giving up a pick for a player like JT is getting short term boost while mortgaging your future.  And the Patriots while highly talented have a disproportionate number of players closer to retirement than their rookie year.  The Patriots need their draft picks not for immediate impact but for the long term health of the team. 

If the Dolphins were to get a Patriot 2nd rounder for JT, it would do several things:  Help the Pats this year.  Have a negligible effect on the Dolphins prospect for this year.  Hurt the Patriots long term, with one less quality rookie it will hasten the end of the Patriot Dynasty at about the same time today's young Dolphins start to peak.  And it would give the Dolphins one more rookie.   

But I strongly doubt PB would go for it.  Although he is very talented as a coach and personnel picker, he almost always looks short term at the expense of long term. 

why would we want to help our enemy? So they can win without having to cheat?

No thanks, it's like trading Manny Ramirez to the Yankees,

Because every trade helps AND HURTS the team.  Although it would help the Pats in the 2008 season.  It would hurt them in the 2010 and beyond (which would be good for the Dolphins)     

You don't trade with teams in your own division.  The Dolphins under Wanny went against that rule twice, and look what it got them. 

Sitting back and taking an objective view, I quite like the logic here.

Hell, we just signed Jake Long, so facing JT twice a year isn't going to be a problem anyway.

And as for trading with the enemy, incase you hadn't noticed, there are 30 other teams who can win the bowl too.  Yeah ok, the Pats have more influence on our results but if you think we're going for a division win in the next two season then you need to take off the aqua tinted spectacles!

There is only one team that we need to be concerned about the success of, and that is the Miami Dolphins, ultimately if the trade aids the team, pull the trigger!

The problem is, I don't See the Pats offering a second round pick for JT...IT doesn't seem like the type thing the Pats would do...They paid a second for Corey Dillion,and even Moss they only gave up a 4th...Neither were JT' age....Welker's still yopung,So it made sense for them to make the trade....

Those are the only trades that come to my mind....They tend to sign old players to cheap min. comtracts...Not trade for them...

Most of us would rather see the Pats and The Jets Lose then to see the Dolphins win. That is why last season turned out so great for us in the end....... :D :D.

Jayson Taylor is Playing with us, going west or retiring.  The Pats will never get their grubby cheating hands on him ............besides JT said he wants to win next year. The Pats are on a down-slide . Clearly the Cow girls (The Tuna;s last project BTW ;)) Are his best option.

Making trades to the Pats was actually discussed awhile ago and several board members (myself, Sunstroke, and Maine come to mind) had the same line of thought that you gave Hoodie- it helps the Pats short term, but hurts them long term, while helping the Fins long term. Any picks the Fins take away from the Pats equals one less young stud they have several years from now.

Hoodie is correct in terms of outright business.  It would be a smart move.  We're not going to do squat in the next two years, so who gives a crap where Taylor plays.

However, what you're failing to take into account in the rich tradition of the Fins.  It's all we have to hold on to right now.  Had Marino played one more year and gone to the Jets, it would have been a terrible blow to his legacy to the team.  It wouldn't have made a bit of difference in terms of how good the Fins were, but it would have greatly damaged our pride.  The same would be true for Taylor.  If the Fins can find a way to keep him happy and have him retire as a Fin (much less go to a rival to finish his career), they'll have another ambassador for the team.  It'll go a long way towards promoting the team locally, selling tickets, pride, etc.  ...and those are the only things we have to hold onto at the moment.

So let me get this straight...

We are to trade JT to the Pats, knowing fullwell that it will help them greatly now, in the hopes that it will magically hurt them in the future?  Gee, I guess the Patriots could "hurt" us just as much by sending Brady this way, right?

Thanks, but no thanks.  I'd rather lay my hopes on the belief that the pick that they keep will not end up as good as JT, which seems a safe bet to me.

By trading JT within the division, any benefit to MIA is almost immediately cancelled out by having to play him twice a year.  Giving All-Pro level players to division rivals in the hopes that we strain their cap and future drafts is a fool's errand.

NO WAY!!!!!!! Sure JT is acting like a little child right now, but he is no cheater and would not fit well with a team as tainted as NE. I rather see Jayson retire or quit before seeing him in NE. Oh by the way JT how many ways can you screw Miami, you said you only want to play on more year, I am sure theres alot of teams out there willing to give a great draft choice for a one year player!!!
Yo JT go to Canada if you don't to be in Aqua and Orange.

Maybe I missed something, but so far as I know, the Patriots have expressed no interest in JT, so why are we even discusssing this.