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The supreme court just rules 5-4 that child rapist shouldn't be excuted. This should be a fun and heated debate, what do you think ? Please no name calling.

no-one should be executed

I'm with Fau.

QFT, Mr. Fausto.

it doesn't really matter, as they will be killed within their first week in jail

I do believe in the death penalty, however I do believe it should be a states right to either execute or lifetime.
As far as child rapist, I would want to be based on the severity of the crime, was it a willing 15 year old or an infant.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080625/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_child_rape

Death penalty cases are too expensive.  I think Tommy has the right solution. 

I'm with Fau, Budda and Dave.

Don't fry them.

But what would be fun is making them have sex with a well hung donkey every other day.

I'm with Fau & Maine.
Being locked up for a crime like that is far more dangerous (and less costly) then execution.

To update a previous solution... One round of 9mm ammunition is still only 20 cents.

Hollow points.

I would be the first to apply if they ever made a job out of a guy that gets to be locked in a room with no windows with these guys for an hour.  I'm not a violent person and, yet, nothing would give me more joy than an hour alone with some of these scum bags.  Nothing worse than harming a child.

A shotgun shell is around 17 cents and can create some real art if aimed properly!!!!!  ;)

Hey Run I am curious is there any data to back up it cost more to excute a hardened criminal over locking them up for life, providing them with three square males, an excercise yard, tv and etc ?

Although I am still (mostly) against execution, I wouldn't be against shooting their stuff off.

Just have a doctor on hand to cauterize the wound.

Sit the guy on the edge of a chair.  Place a Smith & Wesson 4506 under his sack and slightly angled up towards his chin.  Have him lean back.

Pull the trigger.

He won't be raping anyone again.

Always good to see ya up here, AZ... I like the fiscal responsibility of the cheaper shell, but we'd then have to pay to clean up the wall, which will eat more than the 3 cents saved. ;)

Ahhhh...good point. You are a wise man my friend!!!!



Although I am not necessarily against execution....I honestly believe this would be a proper form of punishment and I am willing to bet we would see a massive reduction in child molestation if we publicly televised these events!!!!!

(THIS IS A JOKE)
AZ said it would create art, why would you clean up an art piece ?
Sorry please forgive me, was too tempting. ;D

I don't think that the death penalty is a deterrent, especially for compulsion like child molesting.

Who thinks, "Well, it's worth raping children for the risk of life in prison, but not for the risk of execution."

If someone is raping children, it goes well beyond a weighted decision of consequences.

I agree...but surely you can see how it would limit repeat offenders. ;)

Yeah, it's hard to argue that.

Allow these convicted felons to be the subjects of needed NASA experimentation.
Like if we need to shoot a person into space, or mix monkey genes with humans,
or study the prolonged effects of battery acid to live scrotum.
You relieve the prisons & benefit scientific study at the same time, a perfect marriage.
Plus forced organ donations

I'm really digging TEK's outside the box approach to this issue. It got me thinking about what other uses we could find for the rapists. I mean, there's only so much medical research to go around, and there are a lot of sick predator-types. So, if we build up a surplus of rapists, we could use them...

* To fill potholes on US highways
* As mortar for the levies in New Orleans
* Minefield clearers
* Lay 3 or 4 of them end to end for use as speedbumps in mall parking lots
* Training dummies for police dogs
* Agricultural fertilizer

They did a study years ago in California that showed it was costing well over a million dollars just to get someone on to death row. Add in all the appeals and stays, etc, and they will have served the better part of a 25 to life sentence anyway. It is cheaper overall just to save the added court costs and sentence them to life or another long sentece than to go for the death penalty and start triggering the automatic appeals proccess that comes after the conviction.
I can see their point. While no one likes to see crimes against children, we have to draw a line somewhere, and the standard for qualifiying for the the death penalty was and should that another human being lost their life. While as heinous as a the rape of a child is, it is a lesser crime than murder, and to give someone the punishment befitting a murder for a lesser crime can be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

Execution is still allowed for treason, but not the rape of a child?  Hell, even Obama disagrees with this ruling: (link (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/25/obama-condemns-supreme-court-decision-in-child-rape-case/?mod=googlenews_wsj)).

Of course he is, he is trying to get elected, take it with a grain of salt. Treason usually leads to the deaths of others.  Based on our system of law, and the cruel and unusual punishment doctrine, you make the punishment fit the crime, and taking a life for anything less than the murder of another human being is excessive.

Damn, I thought he was different.  Where's the "change"?

Some people disagree this argument though. They feel rapists, especially child rapists, are the lowest of socieaty and this is the lowest of crimes. Granted the victim is not dead, but they are forced to live their lives with an emotional scar that can never be removed.

I was just taking the emotional aspect out and just weighing the crimes against each other, and while rape and murder are both heinous crimes, murder comes out on top and should have the harshest punitive actions leveled against its perpetrators.

I think that if a person does anything that is bad enough they should be killed.

Whose definition of "bad enough" should we use? Therein lies the rub...

  That's pretty much true.  Child rapists are pretty much dead men when they go to prison.

Who gets to decide what is "bad enough"? Some people think drug possesion is "bad enough". Others think stealing is "bad enough". I personally think that wearing tie dye is "bad enough". Where's the line?

I will.  Sounds like a good job.

I stood up for you the other day and you do me like this.

Can I fill in on your vacation, sick days, whatever?


I think this is where the "reasonable person standard" comes into play.  I think many reasonable people would think it OK to execute a serial child rapist, whereas I can't think of any reasonable person that would want to execute someone for serial "holding"

Man, do I hate tie dye. I'm on a one woman crusade against it.
I would like to think so, but a lot of "reasonable people" think it's perfectly ok to lock people up for smoking a plant.  Makes ya wonder.

So what you're saying is that the tie dye see through nighties are out?

You better believe it. I HATE TIE DYE.

This question is one of nature or degree. Do you think that murder is of a different nature entirely than serial child rape? If you do, then no amount of child rape will ever equal a murder, and therefore will not warrant death. (i.e. it would be cruel and unusual)

If you consider all evil to be cut of the same cloth, and therefore that this is merely a question of degree, then you'll think that serial child rape is enough to warrant someone's execution by the state.

Maybe someone said all this already. I don't know. I haven't read the whole thread.

I think different evils have a different nature. That's why you can function in society while still being completely under the sway of certain evils (the ones we argue over, like pornography, drugs, etc) while other evils are such a metaphysical bombardment that they strip you of your ability to function in society... at least in my view.

We've gone three pages for a question that should have only had a one word answer..."yes."

It's not just a rapist, it's a child rapist..."yes"

In the most expeditious and least expensive manner possible.

Really? Then why would they need a law for sex offenders to register when they   get out?  ::)

I'd give you all some first hand experiences but:

A)  I'll be called a racist somewhere down the line

B) Might cause thread drift and get the thread closed.......

Please start a new thread.  I'd love to hear first-hand experience from a LEO. 

Ex prison Guard as well......... :o  Worst 8 months of my life with that Job.

Dude, seriously.  Let this go.  This has to be the 10th time I have seen you make mention of this, you're starting to sound like a bitter 10th grader that was told they couldn't go out to a party and had to stay home and study.  Move on, man.  It wasn't that big of a deal.

That is a very slippery slope you are trying to climb. As for the whole getting killed in jail issue. Prisons we succesfully sued years ago for not doing enough to prevent certain offenders from being abused/killed in general population. I know that in Cali special prisoners ( i.e. rapists, pedophiles, informants, cops) are put into a special section as to prevent their being attacked/murdered by other prisoners. That is why you see convicted sex offenders back on the street and registering.

"We"?  Your state?  ACLU?  Another group?

In Washington one piece of crap's family didn't come visit him on Fathers Day so he killed himself.  Those who didn't care enough to visit suddenly really missed him and they successfully sued the state.  His adult children all quit their jobs and lived rich off the settlement for a time. 

I'm sorry. I'l fix it:

I'd give you all some first hand experiences but:



B) Might cause thread drift and get the thread closed.......



C) Or an imature 10th grader........

sorry for the typo, I meant to say were.

I will say this, while there have been some heated words and pm's, you come across as somewhat thin skinned for a cop. This is a anonymous webboard to be constantely harping about the racist comments. While some of us may not agree with all you were labeled with, it is getting a little old to see it constantly brought up. This thread has been very civil and you can discuss the things you experienced without it having to get ugly.

Not a big deal.  Thought you might have been involved in the suit.  That would have been an interesting story.

My guess is that cops get fed up but can't vent at work so he comes here to rant much like jtex.

I appreciate the post.  No doubt I am held to a higher standard at work. Its Yes sir and No sir, even as I'm called every name in the book. And I'm cool with that, I signed on for it and get paid for it .  But like Run says I suppose I do feel better after discussing something I saw or did . However after what some people have said recently I just don't feel comfortable as I once did opening up like I used to.  And I guess when I realize it , I think it sucks so I say just that. I see some pretty cool and different things on a daily basis and thought maybe you all would find the different perspective interesting.  I guess some of you can't handle it or just want to believe your limited skews on life is what it actually is. Like the person a few posts back who stated that all child papists get "Theirs" in jail.  I guess it makes you feel better to believe that but it couldn't be farther from the truth.  Even were I work other peers tell me I'm pretty valuable because I am one of the few people that have worked the State Prison system, The County jail, In the Court System, and now I have been a road officer for 4 years.  I have seen alot of shit (good and bad) and have a real life good idea on how it all works. I've spent hours talking to condemned men who are on death Row, to judges who preside over the biggest of cases, people who want to kill themselves , and I've seen others who have succeeded. I'm not bragging.......but it did feel good to talk about it some. Sorry if I came off wrong to some people.

I guess its time to take a break huh?   ;D  See ya'all when training camp starts.........

Defense- I know this is a little off this topic, but I wanted to thank you for the service of protecting citizens. I am sure you have seen things with your own eyes that would give us nightmares. I salute you for taking on a job where everyday could be your last day on the job. Once again thank you and God Bless.

I know that they do not "get theirs" in jail/prison, as I tried to demonstrate in an earlier post. The belief that they get justice served to them via assrapings/beatings/shanked is fairly misguided. It is almost an urban legend at this point.