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BECK CUT?
Posted by Mike Florio on August 14, 2008, 11:26 a.m.

We’ve picked up an unconfirmed tip that the Miami Dolphins have severed ties with quarterback John Beck, the team’s second-round pick in 2007.

Though we don’t yet know whether the rumor is accurate, a league source tells us that the Dolphins definitely have been calling many other teams of late in an effort to trade Beck.

And so Beck apparently will be the next man to be displaced as a result of Brett Favre’s unretirement.  Chad Pennington’s arrival in Miami after being cut by the Jets after they acquired Favre has left Beck as the odd man out.

The Dolphins justified taking receiver Ted Ginn with the ninth overall pick in lieu of Brady Quinn by picking Beck a round later.  If/when Quinn ever plays — and if he plays well — Cam Cameron and Randy Mueller would be wise to never go to South Florida again.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Edit Post: 12:15 pm

UPDATE:  They updated the story.

790 The Ticket just talked about this on the radio. This could be the real thing.

  I'm not surprised by this move.  A snowballs chances in hell had a better odds of lasting longer than Beck did in Miami once they drafted Henne.

To cut Beck & keep McCown is a save face move by this organization.   They will now have given a 2.5 million bonus for a 3rd string QB, which is better than to say they cut him months after giving it to him.

Oh well.  For Beck this is the best thing.  Now he can go to another team & develop.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/miamidolphins/entries/2008/08/14/if_beck_has_been_cut_his_agent.html

If Beck has been cut, his agent doesn’t know about it

By Ben Volin | Thursday, August 14, 2008, 11:54 AM

There’s a rumor going around these Interwebs that John Beck has been cut from the Dolphins today.

The site profootballtalk says it has picked up “an unconfirmed tip” that Beck has been cut. It was posted at 11:26 a.m., mere minutes after Beck and his teammates finished their morning practice.

If true, it’s news to Beck’s agent, Justin Schulman, who says he hasn’t heard anything.

Tony Sparano speaks at noon. Stay tuned …
 

ProFootballTalk should be renamed ProFootballLiesToGetPublicity because that's what they are.  They make shit up to get their name out there as though it was "breaking news" and then they all turn out to be false.

he doesnt fit our team
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I hope he does get cut.  Like Dphins4me said ... he will then be able to go into a situation that fits him best and develop.  He has drawn the short stick here every since he was drafted.

That didn't take long!!  So much for that second round pick eh Cam?  You were the worst coach in Dolphins history!!!  You were a fucking disgrace to this organization and I hope your career in Baltimore completely flames out!!!

  Angry?

what are you talking about - read the article.  Beck practiced today.

Beck will be cut.  New England picks him up.  Tom Brady's right arm will explode in a tragic bear hunting accident, never to play again.  Beck goes on to win back to back to back to back to back to back NFL and Super Bowl MVP awards en route to leading New England to fourteen straight NFL titles.

In his speech in Canton while being inducted into the pro football hall of fame, Beck's opening remarks will be to thank Cam Cameron for his shot and vision...

Can you say that under oath?

My animosity towards Cam Cameron will always be one of a great magnitude. 

I didn't get a chance to comment on Beck after the pre-season game because of my schedule, but I have a few things to say.

I thought he looked very good.  He was playing very smart, fast, poised and his arm looked outstanding.  He was throwing nice spirals with better than expected accuracy.  I realize many will think that he sucked because there were no touchdowns or deep passes to speak of, but this team isn't ready for that.  If you inspect the game closely, he was making all the right decisions.

For everyone who is judging Beck on last season and the B.S. reports coming out of camp that are meaningless, you should really think about your judgements and the level of thinking that is being used.  This kid can be an outstanding QB.  What happened to him last year was a disaster waiting to happen and it had nothing to do with Beck.  Although I was impressed with Henne, I am not willing to say he looks better than Beck at this point.  Both Beck and Henne will benefit from Pennington.  McCown will not be changing much so what you see is what you get unless you just happen to get one hell of a team around him. 

If we get rid of a QB, it should be McCown.  I have nothing against McCown but I see much more upside with Beck.  This is a rebuilding year, McCown is not a rebuilding QB and quite frankly I think Beck is already a better game manager than McCown.

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Standing ovation for Doc-phin.  He's a smart fella!

Sorry, Doc...I've seen enough of both Beck AND McCown to know that I don't want either under center for Miami. This year, next year...ever. One of the two will likely survive the season on the roster, but I'm betting that by the time the 2009 season starts, neither are on the squad.

I can understand McCown since he has been in the league for a while, but why Beck?

Was he nervous in the pocket last year?  Sure, but he had no receivers, no running game, horrible weather to play in for the first two games, tough teams to play against under the circumstances and when he started training camp he was told he was going to be developed slowly and was designated as the third QB.

Simply put, he got screwed!  That doesn't mean he isn't good.  At the very least he has impressive arm strength and decent running ability. 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/miamidolphins/entries/2008/08/14/if_beck_has_been_cut_his_agent.html

Sparano: Beck has not been cut

By Ben Volin | Thursday, August 14, 2008, 11:54 AM

There’s a rumor going around these Interwebs that John Beck has been cut from the Dolphins today.

The site profootballtalk says it has picked up “an unconfirmed tip” that Beck has been cut. It was posted at 11:26 a.m., mere minutes after Beck and his teammates finished their morning practice.

UPDATE TWO (1:25): Sparano denied the report, and said Beck will be at practice this afternoon. A full story is posted on our main site.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphins/content/sports/epaper/2008/08/14/0814dolphins.html

Tony Sparano says Dolphins QB John Beck hasn't been cut

By BEN VOLIN
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Thursday, August 14, 2008

DAVIE — Dolphins coach Tony Sparano today denied a media report that quarterback John Beck has been cut.

A sports Web site, profootballtalk.com, carried the story today based on what it called an "unconfirmed tip."

But Beck participated in this morning's practice and will be on the field later this afternoon, Sparano said.

"There's a lot of rumors in this business. John will be at practice today," Sparano said in his post-practice press conference.

The team has four quarterbacks in camp - Chad Pennington, Chad Henne, Josh McCown and Beck - and Sparano has said he might keep all four on the roster.

But teams usually keep only three quarterbacks. While Pennington and Henne are likely safe, Beck and McCown probably are battling for the third spot.

Beck is the only player with no ties to the Dolphins' current regime.

Bill Parcells, the Dolphins' head of football operations, drafted Pennington in the first round of the 2000 draft when Parcells was general manager of the Jets. Last week, Parcells and General Manager Jeff Ireland snapped up Pennington quickly when he was released following the Jets' acquisition of Brett Favre.

Parcells and Ireland drafted Henne in the second round of this April's draft. They gave the 29-year-old McCown $2.5 million in guaranteed money this off-season to compete for the starting job until Henne is ready to take over.

Beck, though, was drafted in the second round in 2007 (40th overall) out of BYU by Randy Mueller and Cam Cameron, both of whom were fired immediately after last year's 1-15 season.

Beck has had a tumultuous tenure with the Dolphins since he replaced Cleo Lemon as the starter 10 games into the 2007 season.

Beck finished the season with one passing touchdown and one rushing touchdown, with eight turnovers. Beck started in losses to the Eagles, Steelers, Jets and Bills, and went almost 14 quarters without leading a touchdown drive before being replaced by Lemon against Buffalo.

Beck finished the season with a 56.1 passer rating, and didn't lead scoring drives until the Week 17 loss to the Bengals.

Beck spent countless hours changing his throwing mechanics and working with new quarterbacks coach David Lee in the off-season.

But his struggles continued in training camp. On the second day of practices, Beck threw three interceptions during team drills, despite not having a pass rush in his face.

Beck and McCown have did little to inspire confidence in last Saturday's 17-6 exhibition loss to Jacksonville.

Beck played the first quarter and finished 5-of-9 for 45 yards. McCown earned mop-up duty in the fourth quarter, and was 5-of-8 for 35 yards.

This week, Pennington's first in camp, Beck and McCown have mostly watched from the sidelines, helmets in hand, as Pennington and Henne take all of the snaps.

The Dolphins travel to Jacksonville Saturday evening for their second exhibition game. Sparano has not announced the quarterback rotation.

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2008/08/becks-still-her.html

Beck's still here despite rumors

Not that it's out of the realm of possibility, but Dolphins coach Tony Sparano shot down an unconfirmed internet rumor on Pro Football Talk that said the Dolphins have cut John Beck.

PFT, a pretty cool Web site, said it was an unconfirmed tip. That doesn't mean it won't happen. My source's response said he wouldn't confirm or deny but then added that the same site had the Dolphins already signing WR Terry Glenn a few weeks ago.

It seems pretty obvious  that either Beck or Josh McCown won't be here opening day. My gut feeling tells me it's Beck, because he's not one of the regime's guys and also McCown has clearly outplayed him all camp, and brings a veteran presence in case Chad Pennington gets hurt. It seems Dallas would be a perfect landing spot for Beck to serve as a backup to Tony Romo, who right now has 40-year-old Brad Johnson and a bunch of no-names.

"No, there's a lot of rumors in this business and as I'm finding out down here there's a lot of rumors that [circulate] period. I don't mean that in a negative way about you...you know this guy's here from Dallas, that guy's here from this place. They're all rumors, no, and John will be out at practice.''

It's apparent that Sparano is preparing Pennington and rookie Chad Henne to split Saturday's game in Jacksonville. He added that Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams will get more carries, especially Brown. The bubble guys will probably be mixed and matched but expect them to be out there in the second half.

Stay tuned

Sparano said he spoke to the main combatants in the morning practice brawl between CB Will Allen and WR David Kircus. He tried to slough it off as a typical training camp spat, but even he admitted this one was stupid because the players could've gotten hurt, especially Allen who was swinging wildly at Kircus helmet.

Still not sure if it was TE Sean Ryan or TE Anthony Fasano who jumped on to the pile.

Rookie RG Shawn Murphy rolled an ankle.

> Posted by hfialkov at 12:11:44 PM

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/football/miami-dolphins/story/641969.html

Dolphins' Beck practices as rumors swirl

BY JEFF DARLINGTON
Miami Herald

There's no question Dolphins quarterback John Beck's future in Miami is currently in jeopardy. But if a decision to cut last year's second-round draft pick has been made, Beck still isn't aware of the move.

The quarterback practiced Thursday morning with the team, taking more repetitions than he has in each of the past two days. Typically, when players in Miami are released, the decision is made in the morning before the first practice begins.

Profootballtalk.com reported that it received an unconfirmed tip that the team severed ties with Beck. Such a move is certainly possible -- and could even be on the horizon -- but it has not yet happened.

A league source said Tuesday that Miami isn't yet shopping Beck for a trade, either. Again, that's also another potential option, but it also apparently has not yet happened.

Still, this much is known: Both Beck and quarterback Josh McCown are not scheduled to play Saturday against the Jaguars. The team instead plans to use only Chad Pennington and Chad Henne.

That could change, of course, since the Dolphins also altered their initial plan last week before the Bucs game. Initially, McCown had been told he wouldn't play against the Bucs, but shortly beforehand, Pennington's signing caused the team to play McCown for leverage and image purposes.

Since Pennington signed last week, the jobs of both McCown and Beck have been in limbo. Coach Tony Sparano has said he'd be willing to potentially keep four quarterbacks, but such a suggestion is extremely unlikely given the team's desire to make the most of roster spots with versatile players.

  Ryan Leaf, David Klingler, Andre Ware, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Ty Detmer,  Etc., Etc., Etc.  all had impressive arm strength and decent running ability as well....none of these guys were very good QBs in the NFL either.

    John Beck does not have the mental toughness to be an NFL quarterback (starting or backup).....Period!!!! ;)

No We got Screwed when Cameron drafted him 2nd round.

  You are basing this one what?  Your knowledge of him?  What some reporter wrote up?

  I am basing this on John Beck's pathetic performance on the field.  He sucks.

All 4 games, huh?

 Not once have you considered he was out there basically by himself.  No running back, no quality vet Wr & a below Avg.  Te.

Yeap, I can see where you think he should have lite up the NFL.

Now that is pathetic.

Don't go and bring logic into the conversation.   :o  You are gonna confuse people!!!!

This argument is far too logical for people with so much NFL scouting experience. 

The Mormon is a dead man walking. And good riddance too, he should have never been drafted to begin with. He's pushing 27 already in his 2nd year, he's undersized, & comes from Aunt Jemima U in terms of offense. Where are all the Beck lovers now since hes been stinking it up at camp? This is what happens when you screw the pooch during the draft - had QUINN been drafted like he was supposed to be, the QB position wouldn't be in question. Instead here we are, staring at McClown & Noodles Pennington as your top 2 going into the season.

You do realize that Beck and Quinn are the same height, right? And that Beck has bulked up so that they are pretty much the same weight as well, right? (Not that his listed weight is particularly low, anyway... but just in case you decide to bail on the "undersized" comment with the weight argument).

Quinn is 6' 4" & much more athletic
Beck is 6' 2"

Get your facts straight

I like how the Beck supporters band together to bash anyone who is against Beck, but I haven't seen a single person step up and list for everyone the positive QB qualities Beck has that makes you think he will EVER become a decent QB. I hear a ton of excuses "why" he's sucked, but nothing to point to why he may someday "not suck."

And, for what it's worth, I took EVERYTHING into consideration before passing judgement on Beck. His crappy supporting cast, mismanagement, his hand size, the schemes he used at BYU, his mission to bring salvation to poor heathen portuguese children and delay his NFL career for 3 years...everything.

John Beck won't ever be a quality QB in the NFL. He doesn't have the physical ability to achieve that status. No amount of disclaimers and excuses from others will change the opinion that I've developed by watching him play with my own eyes.

I wonder how many John Beck haters say "he never should have been drafted to begin with" and still say "we should have drafted Brady Quinn"?

Really...Fuck Brady Quinn. He's never entered into my thoughts when considering Beck's potential as a QB. Do I wish we'd gone with Quinn instead? Yes, but I wish we'd gone with one of a number of other QBs in that class other than Beck. Stanton, Edwards...no problema.

Beck had the oppurtunity to be Miami's starting Qb this season, but he could not even beat out  journeymen Josh McCown and a 23 year old rookie...now that's Pathetic...that shows John Beck's ability right there.  He sucks.

 If Beck is gonna be a good qb, WHY aren't teams lining up to trade for him since we know he is done in Miami?  

No one has determined the starting QB yet - how the hell do you know who he's beat out and who he's not?

I personally don't lump you in with that statement, Stroke, because you've provided more reasons for leading the "I hate John Beck" Bandwagon other than "he sucks" and "he's not Brady Quinn"

Chad Pennington wasn't brought in to sit on the bench....Henne and Pennington are taking almost ALL of the snaps at practice....McCown and Beck are basically standing there and watching....Usually, the guys who are gonna play,  practice ;)

Wow, I just read this whole thread and it's really amusing to see how many people were sucked in by that rumor.  I still say they should cut McCown.  They brought him in because they needed a veteran and then another became available.  Cutting McCown would not be saying they made a mistake.  It would be saying they feel Pennington is a better fit so McCown became expendable.

There seem to be two opposite opinions on Beck. 1. Get rid of him, he'll never amount to anything and 2. Give the poor guy a chance, will ya?  I am moving from 2 towards 1, but I still think if they are  going to keep 3 QB McCown should be the one to go. 

  I have no scouting experience.... I just LOVE football!!! ;D 

          What the Hell has John Beck done to make you think he will be a good NFL QB?

            Why aren't NFL teams lining up to trade for Beck, since he is obviously done in
             Miami ( they should since he has so much up-side right?) ?

            These questions are for anyone on the board who is Pro-Beck!

               

The better question would be: What are your arguments for keeping McCown over Beck?  I don't think anyone is saying Beck will be good, he has the potential to be good.  Most teams already have a young QB they are trying to develop and don't want to take a chance on an unknown outcome.  Granted, Beck has done nothing so far, but he has not had much to work with.  McCown has had a lot more of a chance to prove himself and he has not.  Either one of them is going to be thrid string, so it comes down to which guy you hate less.

Alright ... you people and using logic are going to give everyone a bunch of migraines.  There are only two camps here that you are allowed to speak of. 

The first camp is the one that has all of the super knowledgeable fans or coaches who just didn't get the opportunity to coach. They realize that Beck is the lowest of QBs and should feel blesssed to even be considered a QB in the great game of football. These intelligent "Beck Sucks" people are almost offended that anyone could possibly think that anyone in the world might be willing to take a chance on giving him some time to develop. As a bonus they also realize that Henne is the second coming of Marino and needs absolutely no time to develop. In fact, if he is not starting by week 3 then they feel we as fans are being ripped off by the cheap arse Wayne.

The other camp is the "Beck lovers". They are the ones who think Beck is God's gift to football  and think he has done no wrong. They think Beck should start no matter what and that Henne is a loser who will fail us miserably. They think that Cam Cameron's whole defining momnet in life came the moment he selected Beck over that other guy. Now I do not know anyone like this but the first camp puts everyone who does not see things as they do into this camp so I know it must exist somehwere.

There is no room in here, at least to those who are adament about killing this subject, for any views or observations that fall anywhere in between.  Beck sucks. He's a low life and by all means ... do not disagree!!!!!

Quinn is listed at 6'3" and 235lbs
Beck is 6'2" and 215 according to their teams respective websites.One inch and a difference of 20 lbs......not much difference.And as far as being athletic,Beck also played baseball in high school as did Quinn.Both are young inexperienced NFL qbs, and both have looked shaky in their time on the field in game situations.It takes a qb coming out of college approx. 4 years to really get it at the pro level and as Dphins4me pointed out,Beck was basically all alone out there.I also agree with STL and think McCown is the odd man out.Our qbs on opening day will be Pennington,Beck,and Henne.

I don't believe that to be true though it would make the most sense. 

Parcells and Co. are vested into McCown so if for no other reason than to save face ... I think Beck will be gone.  They have no ties to him and any loss from him being cut can be atrributed to Cam's reign.  If they cut McCown then they will be admitting they made a mistake.

F U

nfl.com has both players listed at 6-2

http://www.nfl.com/players/bradyquinn/profile?id=QUI529720
http://www.nfl.com/players/johnbeck/profile?id=BEC177695

I don't think that would be admitting signing McCown was a mistake, rather, a better veteran became available, making McCown expendable.  You can spin anything.

I'm looking solely at the facts. I have nothing vested in Beck, although the more "hate" I see piled on him, the more I want to root for him when/if he goes elsewhere... The simple fact is that *plenty* of star quarterbacks have done worse then he did (with what couldn't have been a worse supporting cast). I argued very strongly that he shouldn't have been thrown to the wolves last season (just like I'm arguing very strongly that HENNE shouldn't be this season). That's a very risky thing to do with a rookie quarterback and it blew up in Cams face - and our faces.


See, that's just bull. If Beck fails, and he may very well, it'll be because he can't handle the mental aspects of it.

He's *exceptionally* precise... when there's no pressure. Once he's under pressure, even if it's just a buzzer, he starts to panic a bit. That's mental, not physical.

He has a decent arm. No, he probably can't throw it through the uprights from midfield on his knees... but he's got plenty of arm strength to make it in the NFL.

The one PHYSICAL weakness he has is mobility, but, again, plenty of players have excelled despite that. It does, however, require that you're capable of disciple and patience in the pocket - and able to withstand the inevitable pressure.

Then there's the leadership aspect, which I've seen some here question. I have no idea what his leadership skills are like. The quotes I've seen from his teammates (not exactly an objective source) have been decent, but who knows.

Anyway, if Beck fails it won't be because he doesn't have the PHYSICAL skills to succeed in the NFL. It will be because he doesn't have the MENTAL skills.

That sure seems like a whole lot of huffin' to basically say 13 words

"I like Beck, screw you"

and

"if your opinion doesn't match, I'm not listening."



The NFL is a game built on pressure. Maybe Beck's calling is as a professional tetherball player. ;)

  I think that's something we can all agree on.  Brady Quinn sucks. 

C'mon Stroke. You are much smarter than that.  That's the exact mentality I was calling out. 

The point is there are many people, like myself, that would like to keep Beck around because obviosly he has the physical tools to be good if he can get his head screwed on straight. There is no question that he has the best balls when not under pressure. I am not a fan of his nor do have any vested interest in him succeeding beyond the Dolphins being successful.  I hope the same for Henne and I really hope they do not throw him to the wolves before he is mentally ready to be overloaded.

I don't think last year proved anything about Beck and if anything I think last year actually set him back.  There is nothing to prove this with except history and the general league reccomendation that you do not start rookies ... and especially ones that have been playing on the scout team and not even preparing to play the season.

So every time someone posts "Beck sucks they need to dump his arse " I just can't come up with something as scientific. Maybe the always faithful "your momma" will do the trick.  ;D

CF,

A lot of QB's have the physical tools to succeed, but don't have the mentality needed to play NFL football. 

Akili Smith, Heath Shuler, Tim Couch, Rick Mirer and David Klinger all come to mind.

Great example Tommy ... thanks.  All of them were given a heck of a lot more rope to hang themselves than Beck. 

And that's because Miami fans are a whole lot more impatient than most other team's fans.  The team starts losing and they start calling for the coach's head and not showing up to games. 

Yes, CF...I am, which is why I'll just duck past your diversionary tactic there.

My point, CF...was that it's obvious there are two sides of this opinion on Beck, and you spent 3 paragraphs above throwing snide barbs at the side you're opposed to. My "I like Beck, screw you" and "if your opinion doesn't match, I'm not listening" summary was accurate, whether you appreciated being called out on it or not. ;D

  Don't lump me in with that group.  Not everybody goes apeshit like you do.

Dude that's EXACTLY the POINT!

The two camps are this:

- John Beck sucks, look how terrible he played last season

and 

- John Beck isn't ready yet, give him time before you determine he sucks.

I STRONGLY feel that anyone who expected Beck to roll in last season and be the savior is expecting WAY too much.  By the same token, these people are ready to cut that relationship, either because they hate Cam Cameron (in which case they want Ginn out too) or because they're too impatient to give a guy a chance to improve.

Rookies starting year 1 never succeed in year 1.  Rookies starting year 1 with half the team injured on a 0-10 team WILL ALWAYS FAIL.  100 times out of 100.  You can't pin that all on Beck.

^^Word...



I think Beck would do better somewhere else...He'll never be able to live up to the Tommy's,and Rick's of the world expectations...

Logic ? Let's really use it then. This is the NFL not pop warner football, either you produce and you move on. Even Cleo Lemon looked great compared to Beck behind the same line with the same WR's. I know I know you will say but Beck was a rookie and Lemon a veteran, but Lemon didn't have much playing time as a starter in the NFL, thats a logical fact. Since we are using logic, then I ask you what has Beck shown us to prove he is an NFL QB ? If you couldn't see the difference between Beck and Henne in the first preseason game then I would question your logic. Beck showed us he has not improved, he still looks nervous and scared with no command of leadership. At least with Henne we moved the ball, not it was true the third quarter was played by 2nd termer's but Henne did move the ball in the 2nd quarter. Logic tells me that Beck has prove to be a bust and should have never been drafted. Now we will see what Beck does from here to improve himself, but logic tells me you shouldn't hold your breath.

Not that this point would mean anything anyway but what games were you watching? Cleo made one play and now he looked great?  That's so far off it isn't even a reach.

Might want to check your facts first, before telling someone to check theirs or you might want to tell the NFL about the extra 2" on Quinn.  He is listed a 6'2"

http://www.nfl.com/players/bradyquinn/profile?id=QUI529720

You know, the "Beck has to go" camp is sure loud, but when you look at the poll on who should be cut, McCown was by far the "winner".

   Yeap, some opportunity.

Why should they be lining up?  The Miami media has done a great job of writting how bad he is.  Only Miami trades for players who will be cut in time.

  Since when is the NFL a you produce or you move on?   Only in Miami do players not get time to develop.  What production did Carson Palmer have his rookie year?  I promise you Beck had more Yds, TD passes & more everything than Palmer.  Why?  Because Cincy sat on Palmer.  However, this is a produce or we move on league.  Why was Palmer granted the time to sit & do nothing if that is the type league the NFL is?

This has nothing to do with Henne.  Henne might just be a great find for Miami.  To what level Henne plays to, has no bearing on Beck other than who starts.  You want to compare Henne to Beck.  Henne's talent how great or not it is, does not mean Beck has to suck because Henne is better.  Both can be quality QB.  One does not have to suck, simply because the other is better.

I'm not seeing what you are seeing in Beck.  The way you guys talk he looked scared the whole night.  Did not see that.  Did he get nervous a time or two.  Probably, but most Qbs do. I saw Marino get nervous from time to time.

My point in this is there is no need to cut Beck.  He has not looked horrible, he is just not the instant savior Miami is for at QB.

Beck has not been around long enough to be proven a Bust.  I promise if Miami cuts him, some team will sign him & park him on the bench to learn.  Dallas would be a guess, since they do not have a Qb to develop.

C'mon now...you want me to believe that NFL GM's are going to read the local beat writers to determine their opinion on a player? Of course they don't...they watch film on a player, talk to their scouts, and make up their own mind.

In this case, they're not lining up because there isn't anything worth waiting in line for.

Yeap, they were the same ones yelling Jason Allen was a bust also.  Only in Miami is a young player suppose to set the league on fire.  Other NFL cities they develop players.  Maybe that is why Miami was 1-15 last year.

What team gets to sit in on another teams practice?  The media does.

I'm not saying they listen, but it plays a role.

No team is going to trade for Beck.  Why should they?   Miami will most likely cut him.

It really doesn't play any role...at all. GMs aren't the unwashed masses that can be swayed by a beat writers opinion. That's a copout of the first order, though it seems like a solid way to prep for later using the excuse "Beck was cut because of the media." If Beck gets cut, somewhere between sooner or later, nothing but Beck's performance will have led to that move.

I'm beginning to think some people want Beck to be cut just so they can be right.  Then, if he becomes a decent QB elsewhere, the same people will bitch and moan that he was cut.

Oh sorry, I was being logical again...

How's this?

McCown is a piece of shit and he sucks and he should be cut!!!!!!!

Can't you read I said he looked good compared to Beck, compared to any other QB he wasn't so good.

  Beck should be cut because we want the best for our football team....he is a pansy, who will never be mentally tough enough to stand in the pocket and deliver a pass down the field....that is why he always takes sacks, throws interceptions, fumbles, or throws little checkdown passes to the rbs...he has no guts to stand in the pocket and take a hit from the defenders...Beck (who is 27 yrs old) had his chance to prove himself to the new regime and he was the same old "deer in the headlight"  turnover, sack prone quarterback....and this was in practice.....A QB must be mentally and physically tough to be successfull in the NFL....John Beck dosen't really possess either quality ;)

If you vote on the pole that the Sun Sentinal web site is running that asks readers to choose between keeping Beck and getting rid of him, you will find that a large majority want to keep Beck.

I guess it is because he sucks  :-\.

I will keep this simple.  Beck has the best arm of any of the three QB's from what I have seen.  We do not have enough to go on to have any clue what kind of QB he will be.  Last year meant very very little.  He looked very good in the first preseason game if you really look at the decision making, how fast he was making his reads, the level of competition he was up against, and his accuracy and velocity.

Jason Allen is a bust!  Get rid of him immediately.  He had more than enough time to prove himself, and the NFL is a league where you produce today, or GTFO.  Clearly, he is a useless player, and will never improve to the level of even a decent starter.

Oh, wait...

So the question was posed earlier: why do Beck's supporters think we should keep him?  And I think the answer was pretty plainly stated: potential.  McCown has zero, Beck has non-zero.

So let's flip that same question: why should we keep McCown?  We are not going to win anything with McCown under center, and Pennington has been brought in for the mentor role.  What purpose does McCown serve?

In conclusion, I have one more challenge to all those who think that Henne should be the undisputed successor in Miami: what did Beck's training camp look like last year?

  You mean to say Jimmy Johnson did not trade Marino because he thought keeping Marino was the best move?  JJ did not move Marino because he knew the media/fans would give him down the road.

They listen.  To what extent may vary, but they listen.

Whether anyone here thinks it or not. Cam/Muellar had balls to not take Quinn.


Not really.  Coaches, just media/fans have preconceived notion on players.  Majority of Miami media/fans hated Beck from the time they drafted him.  Just like Jason Allen.  They want to see him fail & they will report nothing but the bad stuff to make their reader believe the worst of him.  I find it hard to believe in all these practices, he has not done something positive. 

Henne does something bad & its an blurb in nothing but positive stuff.  Beck they report nothing but the bad.  If you actually think the Miami media is not trying to sway the public opinion, then you are fooling yourself.

Miami is shopping him, because he is not their type of QB.  When a new coach comes in the majority of the time they want the players that fit their system.  Beck does not fit their system & I think he knows it. 

Never is a big word.

Then how is he taking all these sacks you are talking about if he is always throwing little dump off passes to the Rb.  Miami must have some fast defenders. 

One of the problems is a inexperienced Qb is holding the ball to long while waiting for something to happen & not giving up on a play.  Its a common problem.   If he didn't have the guts, then he would be chunking the ball very quickly to where defenders were not getting close to him., yet they are sacking him. 


Not making much sense here.


  You've been to how many practices, because we have not seen much of him in games.  I'd will have to admit.  I will say he had that look last year, but I fully expected it, considering what he had to work with.  Sam Gado was his running back.