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I wonder what the team got in trade?

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-0829dolphinstrade,0,2202273.story


By Harvey Fialkov | South Florida Sun-Sentinel
6:16 PM EDT, August 29, 2008
All the talk about the Dolphins carrying four quarterbacks was rendered moot Friday afternoon after they traded Josh McCown to the Carolina Panthers, according to a source.

McCown, 29, only played in the first preseason game against the Tampa Bay Bucs and was 5-of-8 for 35 yards with no touchdowns or interceptions. McCown was signed in the offseason to a two-year deal worth $6.25 million, including $2.5 million guaranteed, to battle second-year quarterback John Beck for the starting job.

However, once the Dolphins signed former Jets quarterback Chad Pennington the day before the Bucs' game and began favoring rookie Chad Henne it became evident that either McCown or Beck, or both would be cut or traded.

McCown didn't play a down in the final three preseason games as Pennington and Henne shared the bulk of the snaps with Beck mopping up late in the fourth quarter.



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Henne, defense make it look easy The Dolphins are now down to 70 players, and have to cut 17 to get down to the mandated 53 by Saturday at 4 p.m.

Damnit. Please let Henne or the punter hold the ball for the kicker. We dont need Beck holding it.

But, he didnt cost us anything, so its a free draft pick, or whatever.

Ugh, i still hope we cut beck.

Nah...no need to cut Beck at this point. Lock him in at the #3, continue to try to develop him and see if you can get at least a serviceable backup out of him. If you don't see any development of note, cut him loose next year and go digging in the late rounds for another diamond to back up Henne.

What the? I think several of us have been saying this all along, and you were calling us fools and idiots! (we still might be fools and idiots, but for other reasons).
I don't think anyone was saying "Beck should start", but you weren't even willing to listen!

Anyway, this at least alleviates the fear I had that McCown or Beck would get cut, signed by New England (considering their back up woes) and end up playing against the Fins and turning into a stud (like all former Fins who go to NE).

With a rookie QB waiting in the wings, I think it would have made sense to keep McCown for his experience, and look to move Beck.   Since Miami is signficantly under the cap, I don't think this is a financially motivated move.  I guess it came down to which QB got an offer first.  

I don't really care all that much either way.  Miami's future isn't with McCown or Beck.  Since I don't believe we are fighting for a playoff spot, the loss of Pennington will likely cost us some wins, but it won't make a difference in whether we reach the post season.   I can't believe we got much for him, but I guess something is better than nothing.

Philly...serious question for you: Are you on drugs? I challenge you to find ANY reference to me saying to cut Beck. Ever. Or me calling anyone a fool or an idiot for having an opinion on Beck that differed from my own. I've listened (read, actually) every word, and considered it as being what it is...another person's opinion. I've dogged Beck for his ineptitude on the field, because I've witnessed enough of it with my own eyes that I feel it is justified.

You must have me confused with someone else...because while I think Beck sucks, I've done none of the things you just overreacted about.

"Beck has started his last NFL game."  What were we supposed to take away from that?

Doesn't exactly mean the same thing as "Cut Beck".   All it means is that SunStroke thinks (and I concur) that Beck will be nothing more than a clipboard holder for the rest of his career.... wherever he goes. 

I am glad we were able to get something for one of these guys.... just like Travis Daniels.  This also settles the QB issue going into the regular season. 

You guys need to be in the NFL judging talent if you can tell after what we have seen of Beck that you can already determine what he will be.

2.5 million for what will most likely be a 7th Rd. pick.  Not exactly what one would think a 7th Rd. pick would have gotten in a signing bonus.

Isn't that hindsight?

What QBs were on the roster when McCown was signed?  Did anyone know for sure that Henne or Pennington would be available?

Seriously Jeff... I was thinking the same exact thing as Philly.  It does seem like you have done some back tracking from your original position.

I can't imagine we'll get much for McCown.

I'd have traded him for a Snickers bar.

Mmmmm, Snickers....


On another note. I think the Bucs are going to release Chris Simms. Betcha Parcells picks him up....

As long as we get rid of Beck.

Usually a literal translation, unless otherwise stated... Does that say "Miami should cut Beck?"

No it doesn't... My prediction was based on the fact that I thought Beck lacked the talent to start for the Dolphins. It doesn't say, nor have I EVER said to cut Beck.


So...you made a misassumption as well, based on nothing I've actually said.  Bravo...

Would someone please quote me somewhere saying to cut Beck, or calling ANYONE a fool or an idiot for having a different opinion than mine on Beck?

If not, please quit tugging on my nuts, as they're getting sore.


(Oh yeah, and for what it's worth, my prediction on Beck sure appears to be 100% accurate...unlike some of the posts in this thread.)

^^^ I owe you an apology Jeff. I just went back and re-read some past threads. Although you have made some remarks about Beck which were close:
He's not...he's sliding out the back door with his mediocre talent in-hand.

Beck is headed out in short order

Beck could be a serviceable backup in the CFL or Arena league...but he isn't "any kind" of NFL QB, starting or backup.

You never outright said "Cut him". This is the closest I found:

I never said cut Beck and keep McCown. Cut 'em both for all I care. Neither looks like a QB we want to keep around

In any case, I guess your words got so repetitious, we just started ignoring it. It all sounded like "blah, blah, blah". This is similar to a lot of posts last season that kept saying "walking papers". I think I've said it before that you sounded like that ;)

Just saying its not something to be happy about, especially if you were the man paying out the 2.5 million.  It was not money close to being well spent.

That wouldn't surprise me at all.  Parcells picking up the son of the QB that led him to two Super Bowls.  Right now, Simms is way better than Beck. 

  Good wording.   It would also not surprise me.  Beck needs to go for his sake & I think he will end up in Balt..  Miami fans/media in general are hating on him for not being able to lead a team of flunkies last year as a rookie & have not viewed him with out the eye of criticism since.  Continuing to just harp on anything he does poorly, while ignoring he is still an inexperienced QB trying to learn the NFL game.

They also want to compare him to Henne.  Henne may be a special player that was more NFL ready & had better coaching once entering the NFL.

Exactly right.  The same comparison that people make between Beck and Henne can be made between Beck and Brady Quinn. 

Both Quinn and Henne were "more NFL ready" because they came from more top notch programs and had better coaching. 

  This is not an endorsement that I think Beck is better or anything, but just because a player is more NFL ready, does not mean they will be better over their careers.  An NFL career is not a sprint for top players.     

Here is something to watch for a few years.   Say Cam drafted Quinn.  Would Miami have then drafted Henne?   Would have probably depended on how Quinn played those same 4 games as Beck, which I personally do not believe any Qb much less a rookie could have done anything to speak of.

  Now,  if Henne turns out to be a special Qb, & Quinn turns out to be nothing special, then Cam did Miami a favor by not drafting Quinn.  So actually Henne enters into the Quinn/Beck debate.

I've defended Beck more than most & its not because I think he is something special.  If people understand me.  I practice growth & patience with young top players.   They have to prove they can play in the NFL to their self before they can prove it to me.  Fans need to understand this.

In saying that.  I hope Beck is out of Miami this week.  For his career, he needs to go somewhere else.  He will never be loved in Miami.

I think it says TONS about Beck that the person that drafted him , CC , is now the Offensive Coordinator with the Ravens and even he didn't want him even though he was clearly available.

We got what we could for McGown and Hopefully we can raise the trade bait on Beck over the next year or so. Well done........lets move on. Beck is certainly no Sage Rosenfields when it comes to a 3rd stringer........but he will do. Lets just hope it never comes to that.  :|

This is the part that just makes me bust a gut... I was no more repetitious than you or any of the other Beck-supporters and Quinn-bashers up here when it came to forwarding my opinion...  ;)

 ??? ??? Because they didn't trade for him,doesn't mean they didn't want him...Cam Has No power what so ever in Baltimore, last time I checked Ozzie Newsome was the Gm... ::)

I'll say this again, I'm glad to see the new regime,isn't to show they've made a mistake and quickly remedy it...

(edited for Typing and language mistakes)

  Where do you get that Cam did not want him?   Probably that is where Baltimores interest comes from.

Cam is not making the personal decision for the Ravens, so because Baltimore has not traded for him has nothing to do with Cam wanting/not wanting him.   

Also, you have to take into account what they are willing to trade against what Miami wants for him.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/miamidolphins/entries/2008/08/29/mccown_traded_to_carolina.html

McCown traded to Carolina

By Edgar Thompson | Friday, August 29, 2008, 05:52 PM

Back-up quarterback Josh McCown said he’s been traded to the Carolina Panthers.

McCown, 29, played in only one pre-season game for the Dolphins, the Aug. 9 opener against Tampa Bay, raising questions about his future with the team.

He threw only eight passes, completing five of them.

McCown’s departure leaves the Dolphins with three quarterbacks: Chad Pennington, Chad Henne and John Beck.

With teams required to trim their rosters to 53 players by 4 p.m. Saturday, the trade leaves the team with 70 players.

“I’m excited,” McCown said. “It’s an opportunity. I don’t know what was going to happen. But any time you get traded it’s better than being cut.

“There’s two parts to a trade, somebody likes you on the other end of that. So I’m excited about the opportunity to get to play.”

Carolina back-up Matt Moore suffered a deep shin bruise during the Panther’s pre-season game with the Steelers on Thursday night.

McCown has started 31 games in six seasons, but the Panthers will be his fifth team since 2004.

He signed a two-year, $6.25 million deal in March, with $2.5 million guaranteed.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/football/miami-dolphins/story/665073.html

Miami Dolphins trade McCown for seventh-round pick

BY DAVID J. NEAL
Miami Herald

Josh McCown wasn't happy being part of the odd couple out in the Dolphins quarterback situation. The Dolphins clearly would be happier with the standard two or three quarterbacks on the roster instead of four.

Friday, everybody got happier when the Dolphins dealt McCown to Carolina for a seventh-round 2009 draft pick on the eve of the final cutdown to 53 players.

The Dolphins now have two Chads, veteran Pennington and rookie Henne, plus second-year man John Beck as their quarterbacks. Since Pennington's signing three weeks ago, Beck and McCown had been left with preseason game and practice time scraps behind Pennington and Henne.

That frustrated McCown, who, for the fourth time in the past four teams -- and in four years -- found himself relegated to second string by an incoming quarterback. Now, he'll go to Carolina, where starter Jake Delhomme is coming off missing 13 games with an elbow injury and promising young Matt Moore had the backup-for-now role. But a hit from Pittsburgh's Anthony Smith to Moore's left leg knocked Moore out of Thursday's preseason closer. Though the Panthers announced Moore suffered no broken bones or injured knee ligaments, he's still questionable for the season opener.

So, the Panthers need for a backup quarterback dovetailed with the Dolphins desire to shed a quarterback and McCown's desire to be elsewhere.

''I give the Dolphins a lot of credit for doing right by Josh,'' said McCown's agent, Mike McCartney.

And so does another domino get felled by Brett Favre's comeback.

The Dolphins, feeling they needed a quarterback with more than Beck's four games of starting experience, signed McCown to a two-year free agent deal in March. Before long in camp, however, both McCown and Beck were being outplayed by Henne. Before that could fully play out, Green Bay traded Favre to the Jets, who released Pennington, who signed with the Dolphins.

For a time, it seemed Beck might be the one getting dished to another franchise. One rumor had Dallas interested. Baltimore, the new workplace of last year's Dolphins head coach Cam Cameron, has only rookie Joe Flacco at 100 percent health right now among its quarterbacks.

Yet Beck is still a Dolphin -- for now.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2008/08/dolphins-trad-1.html

Dolphins trade Josh McCown to Carolina

The Dolphins have traded quarterback Josh McCown for a late-round draft pick.

Two sources say the trade was consummated this afternoon after the Panthers took stock of their injury-riddled quarterback situation.

The trade seems to mean the Dolphins will go into the regular-season with three quarterbacks -- starter Chad Pennington, backup Chad Henne and third-stringer John Beck.

One source, however, tells me to refrain from including John Beck as a certainty in that group. Seems teams are also asking about Beck as a trade possibility and as Bill Parcells once told me, "Everyone on this team can be traded for the right price except Jake Long."

The Dolphins have not yet announced the trade but neither are they denying that it is happening.

On Thursday evening, McCown saw his lack of preseason playing time as a bad sign.

"Probably not playing the last three weeks is not a good a sign," McCown admitted. "I haven't been in this situation ever, but I know the writing is on the wall usually when you don't play. But for right now, I'm here and I'm excited about being here. I believe in my abilities. I know that I can play. So I'll embrace my opportunities whether it is here or somewhere else. I'll be ready to roll."

Now he'll roll for the Panthers.

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2008/08/classy-mccown-t.html

Classy McCown traded: Is Beck safe or next to go?

One would assume that John Beck would be safe now that Josh McCown has been dealt to the Panthers for an undisclosed draft pick (which usually means a seventh-rounder), but you know what they say about assuming.

It's quite possible Tuna and Co. are still shopping Beck for a pick and will grab a veteran QB when one is available. Hey Daunte, you still playing hoops at a nearby JCC?

I guess Rev.Cam over at Baltimore passed on his protege Beck and instead opted to sign former Dolphins training camp QB Casey Bramlett as Kyle Boller insurance.

Hope H. Wayne and his pard Mr. Ross aren't keeping tabs of the more than $3 million his crew has tossed into the ocean in the last couple of days with the strange cutting of safety Keith Davis and now the trade of McCown, who got $2.5 large up front when he signed last March.

Beck has been throwing the ball better lately, but what's going on with the fumbled snaps between him and whatever backup center is in there?

What do you think? Is Beck a keeper or a goner?

I'm expecting a few surprises on cut day today especially in the linebacking corps. Rob Ninkovch played like a man possessed the other night and probably beat out someone unexpected. I'd shut the cell phone off Quentin. If TE Justin Peelle is cut because of his $1.3 million salary, I guarantee he will be scooped up in a hurry.

Hopefully, with the cutting of Davis, the Fins keep six receivers including rookie Anthony Armstrong - one of my new favorites on the team.

FYI Josh McCown was class from day one to the end. I wish he got a longer look in the preseason, but clearly Chad Pennington is another step up.

With Delhomme an old 33 and coming of Tommy John surgery, the Panthers - a playoff caliber team - could be a nice fit for McCown.

Guess McCown's abbreviated stint in Miami will be most known for his role in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre sequel when his kid bro Luke of the Bucs nearly sawed off Josh's finger (on his throwing hand) in a chainsaw accident on the family farm in Jacksonville, Texas.

Good Luck Josh, we hardly knew you.

> Posted by hfialkov at 12:20:37 AM

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_seasonticket/2008/08/fins-mccown-tra.html

Fins: McCown traded

Here is the story on our website.

It's hard to argue that Josh McCown was cheated here.

He had a chance to impress during the minicamps and training camp.

If he had shown more, maybe the Dolphins refrain from signing Chad Pennington.

He got a $2.5 million bonus for his trouble.

Jake Delhomme is returning from a serious arm injury, and Matt Moore just got hurt, so McCown might get a chance to play there.

Now, do you hold onto John Beck?

To deal him, the team would need to be confident that it could find a stopgap or developmental quarterback on the street, after the next round of cuts. Yet if the Dolphins have truly lost confidence in Beck, and can get a conditional 5th-round pick, they should do it. A sixth? Tough call. A seventh? Might as well keep him, at least for now.

> Posted by Ethan J. Skolnick at 5:56:25 PM

I was disappointed when we signed McCown, I was unimpressed by his play in camp/preseason, and I am not sad to see him leave.  However, he always seemed to carry himself in a professional manner, so there is that.

In all sincerity, good luck to him in his future endeavors.