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How bad is John Beck?  He seems to have fallen out of favor with everyone, but are we ready to dump a guy after just a few games played?

What says you?

Let him watch, listen, and learn, and see if he can apply anything from watching and learning at next season's camp.

Please dear Lord, don't ever, ever cut him...

::)

For beck sake,  he better find a home with Camoron who seems to have a Hard-on  for him.  ::)

I chose to let him ride the bench for the year, not because I think that he's any good, but just because I think we owe it to ourselves to see if the draft pick was worth it.  I'm always a forgiving guy when it comes to football players, but for some reason, I just can't make excuses for Beck.  He looks so terrible at every opportunity to me.

I hope I'm wrong and he turns out great, but I never see him being even good enough to be a backup in this league.

Let's see what happens with the final cuts today.  If a more serviceable backup is avaiable, cut him loose.  If not, keep him and let him ride the pine for the season, then allow him one more shot next training camp.

Hopefully he can get into a game, and by a stroke from the gods have the game of his life.  Then we can trade him to some sucker team like Philly did with that Feely guy a few years ago.

I see him being inactive every week.  He'll be designated as the third QB though, meaning he can only come in if both Chads go down, and then neither one of them can come back in the rest of the game.

Not true - this only applies before the 4th quarter

According to the latest depth chart, Beck is now #2. Not sure what has prompted this change.

Because Chad Henne is going to be tha clipboard jockey until the last 4-6 games of the season !

Depth charts don't mean squat.  It's all about whether or not which QB is active for the game. 

There is a change, that was my point. Beck was not active for the Jets game. So why did Sparano decide to do it the other way around for the Cardinals game? (Providing he has, depth charts are subject to change at any time).

I wanted to make another point:

I think that Beck's time here is related to the health of our other QBs.  If Pennington plays fairly well and stays healthy for the whole year, our need to keep Beck around diminishes quickly.  You also don't really need two "project" QBs on the same team, so if Henne is the project and Pennington's the veteran, Beck is kinda the odd man out.

I disagree, Dave (shocker!).  On a team that has had 20 different QB's in the past 8 seasons, I have 10 project QB's if they let me.  More chance that one will pan out to be good.

And, Tommy, I am pretty sure that no 3rd QB on any team is ever "inactive".  If he's dressed on the sidelines, he's active.

So are the other players that are inactive.  The difference is, when someone is designated as the third QB/inactive, they can't come in the game unless the other two QB's go down, and once they are in, the other two QB's may not re-enter the game. 

As has already been pointed out, the 3rd QB can play in the 4th quarter, and the other two can go back in if need be. Why do I feel like we go in circles here a lot?

Where does it say that?  Doctor D told me otherwise.

^^^ It says it in the NFL rules. Here is a quick link to a little clarification:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=6484D4A31FCAD8EB90ECD4E907ADC01E?id=09000d5d809f6279&template=with-video&confirm=true (http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=6484D4A31FCAD8EB90ECD4E907ADC01E?id=09000d5d809f6279&template=with-video&confirm=true)

The rules were changed recently, so there's a good reason for the confusion. They used to be as you referenced them.

Thank you fyo for clarifying that rather than just spew sarcasm like certain mods. 

They were changed quite awhile ago. Its been over 10 years since the 3rd QB rule went into effect, so I don't see "good reason" for the confusion.

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/index.nsf/Documents/0-rules

If a guy is designated "inactive" he doesn't even put his jersey on, and often isn't even present on the sidelines.  When do they call up the 3rd QB at home and say, "Hey, Johnny, uh, Chad just went down.  Chad Jr. should buy us some time but get off your lay-z-boy and suit up"

'95 isn't that long ago in NFL terms...

I've heard it quoted (before THIS season) as one of the most commonly misunderstood rules. I'm thinking in an interview on NFL.com, although I could be wrong.

Beck was inactive.   


I think the NFL rule for 3rd Qb being able to play is,  if you bring in the 3rd Qb, then the other two cannot come back in until the 4th Qtr.

You are almost correct.

In a weird coincidence, one of my favorite NFL columns - "Ask the Ref" aka "Ask Jerry Markbreit" aka ... hmm... doens't appear to have a name this year - covers this exact rule TODAY:

Each team is allowed to dress 45 players for each game, plus, a 46th man, providing he is designated as the third quarterback only. If this third quarterback enters the game during the first, second or third quarter, the first and second string quarterbacks are not allowed to return for the rest of the game. If the third quarterback enters during the fourth quarter, the other two quarterbacks may return to the game. This is a special rule that was put in about 10 years ago, and gives each team an insurance policy for quarterback injury.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/askthereferee/cs-041015jerrymarkbreitsanswers,0,552094.story

I'm surprised he didn't play Beck in the 3rd and Henne in the 4th.   We were out of this game in the first quarter.

Isn't Ronnie Brown our new 3rd string QB?  ;D

  There's no harm in keeping the guy around for the rest of the season.  With Beck you have the possibility of a tradable commodity down the road or a guy you can develop into a decent backup.  Either way, it's silly to dump him at this point. 

Beck who?