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Dolphins cut rookie tailback Jalen Parmele
By Harvey Fialkov | Sun-Sentinel.com
3:01 PM EDT, September 24, 2008
DAVIE - Rookie running back Jalen Parmele wasn't able to penetrate a crowded backfield so the Dolphins released him Wednesday to make room for some reinforcements in the trenches.

Parmele, a sixth-round pick out of Akron who showed plenty of burst in the preseason, had been inactive the first three games. It's possible the Dolphins will re-sign him to the practice squad if he goes unclaimed by any other team.

In addition, the Dolphins cut tight end Drew Atchison off the practice squad and signed undrafted rookie tight end Joey Haynos to the 53-man roster. Haynos, a 6-foot-8, 270-pounder out of Maryland, was on the Packers' practice squad on Monday when he got the call from the Dolphins. He caught 68 passes for 687 yards and four touchdowns for the Terrapins.

"I need work as a blocker, but I have come a long way the last couple of years,'' Haynos said. "I got a text message in a meeting Monday. I'm hoping for a chance to play. I got to get used to [the South Florida heat].''


"Haynos is a young tight end that we really thought a lot of, a guy that could really help us as we get going here, as a pass catcher,'' Sparano said.

The Dolphins also signed 6-4, 310-pound Matt McChesney to take Atchison's spot on the practice squad. McChesney played defensive tackle at Colorado where he had 123 tackles and 11 sacks.

"Good linemen we want to take a look at inside. Pretty tough guy, smart guy, fits a lot of the qualities we like,'' Sparano said.

Originally signed as an undrafted rookie by the Rams in 2005, he spent most of the last two seasons on the Jets practice squad where they converted him to the offensive line.

"It doesn't matter where I play -- right guard, left guard, center,'' McChesney said.

Parmele was buried on the depth chart behind Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Patrick Cobbs, and even fellow sixth-round rookie tailback Lex Hilliard - who was cut on Aug. 30 and then signed to the practice squad.

INJURY UPDATE

Cornerback Michael Lehan is back at practice after tweaking his hamstring in Sunday's win over the Patriots. Linebacker Reggie Torbor didn't practice because of a hamstring injury.

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Talk about the churn at the bottom of the roster.

How many tight ends do we need ?

Just out of fairness to all prior regimes:

"Theres another Ireland draft pick wasted"

(This was sarcasm)

17    ;D

Ask John Gruden that question

He'll be back on the practice squad if no one else picks him up.  He outplayed Lex Hilliard at every turn during preseason. 

I take comfort in the fact that this regime is looking at ways to improve the talent base of this football team every single day...at every level of the roster.

Can you dig the gravy on those mashed taters?

Bullshit man,  Should have cut Pat Cobbs instead :-\

As Much as I want to say Yeah,Cobbs should be cut,He's survived to make it to with the his third Dolphin regime.....The guy Plays special teams,and can return kicks and punts,plus play RB...

***Hijack**
I wouldn't mind Picking Wr Mark Bradley who was just cut From Chicago....Yeah he was a flop..But he's a big kid like 6'2 200#'s Former second round pick that hasn't done didly in Chicago.Is still fairly young.....(Before Seattle Vacuums him up with all their injuries...) Can't be any worse than the guy's we have right now...End Hijack***

Why?

Jalen ia young talent that looks very promising.  Look at what he did at Toledo!

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=157882

Cobbs been with Mia 3 season and still looks like donkey ballz

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8011/career;_ylt=AsQ7tEKGlA9oX_agpRdKNb3.uLYF

Do I have to have more of a reason why Cobbs should be gone?  IMO Jalen outperformed Cobbs during preseason. I would not be surprised if Parmele resurface in Miami on the practice squad, but there is a great chance he will picked up by a  team looking to add depth at running back.

My problem with jalen is that he is too much of a straight-forward runner and he not really a cut-back type.  Cobbs pfffffffffff   :P  Ok im being a lil biased here lol.   Whatever now man, Cobbs be gone soon !

Running back Parmele is back on team
By Harvey Fialkov | South Florida Sun-Sentinel
2:32 PM EDT, September 25, 2008

DAVIE - A day after rookie running back Jalen Parmele was cut, there was No. 31 back at practice Thursday.

Parmele had to clear waivers before the Dolphins were able to sign him to the eight-man practice squad. Parmele's return meant someone had to go and that was speedy cornerback Will Billingsley, who was released.

Any team can now pluck Parmele off the practice squad if they want to put him on their 53-man roster. Parmele, a sixth-round pick out of Toledo, had a solid preseason, tying for the team lead in rushing with 123 yards, including an 80-yard run and a 2-yard touchdown run. He has been inactive the first three games while practicing behind Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams and Patrick Cobbs.

Defensive end Vonnie Holliday was a no-show in practice but he was given an excused absence to tend to family business. … Inside linebacker Reggie Torbor returned to practice after taking Wednesday for to nurse a strained hamstring.


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Care to repeat that?

First off Tommy- My original post was in sarcasm. I even spelled it out  for people that don't understand what sarcasm is!

Secondly- He's on the practice squad, not the active roster. Being on the practice squad doesn't make him a sure fire NFL player. In fact, you can look at it as no other team in the NFL felt he was better than the RB's on their rosters either, or they would've grabbed him on waivers!

Only reason he's there is because there' s a logjam at running back now and they have other positions that needed addressing.  I'd be willing to bet that if Ricky or Ronnie go down, he'll be the first to get promoted. 

^^^ You are missing my point in my original post.

After the week two loss, you said something like if Sparano didn't shape up, you'd treat him the same way you did Cameron last year, and start calling for his job. I was actually surprised to see this level of "fairness" from you (although I think its ridiculous to start calling for a rookie coach's job so early).

Anyway, in previous years, if a drafted player was cut, even if he was a 7th round pick, you'd criticize the drafting of that player. So why didn't you this time? The other RB they drafted never even made the active roster. So they took two RB's and both of them are on the practice squad. Yet they didn't address the secondary- seems like one of those picks could've been spent on a CB.

You're right, and if the secondary does falter consistently in games like it did against Arizona, I will call the Trifecta on it. 

I believe I questioned the drafting of two Rbs while ignoring the defensive backfield.

Yes you did. I also believe several other members here did as well. Now granted, in hindsight one can say that they had no idea how Ronnie's rehab was coming along and no one knew that Parcells would develop a fondness for Pothead.

I still believe my point is valid though that neither of the two RB's they drafted arevon the roster right now and no other team has thought enough of them to sign them off the Fin's practice squad. That means that most teams feel the 3 or 4 RB's they have are better options.

I find it oddly comforting that you guys are seriously discussing if Parcells/Ireland spent their SIXTH ROUND draft picks as wisely as possible.

At the same time, I find it disturbing that you guys seriously think a SIXTH ROUND pick could have improved our secondary. For reference, the 6 DBs taken in the 6th round have a combined 3 solo tackles so far this season.

Of the 6, one never made a roster and none of the others are over 6 feet.

Again, I used the word sarcasm in my post. As I previously mentioned, if a guy picked in the 7th round 3 years ago got cut during pre-season, some people would be quick to post "There's another wasted Saban draft pick- lets see, that leaves how many of his picks still around".

  Great post FYO...Miami had MANY needs that they addressed in this years draft...I am sure that the secondary and WR positions will be a priority in this upcoming draft for the new regime....Personally, I think Mr. Parcells/Mr. Ireland and Coach Sparano did an OUTSTANDING job with their first draft class in Miami!!!

Since we have no recievers..........I'll take as many as we can get!  At 6'8" I'm thinking they are looking to go over the Top to this guy. I'm all for it.

Lil_B and I got a little testy about that on the show right after the draft...it still boggles my mind a little that zero DBs were drafted.

I think that Parcells wanted to strengthen the d-line, and the running game this year...the power positions. Next year, I'd bet that we'll see several d-backs, and receivers. Looking at it that way makes sense of drafting the way they did.

QFT.  Doctor D thinks the same way as well.  We'll be looking at quality DB's and WR's. 

I'm inclined to agree,except your secondary sucked last year with a good pass rush....I think the Trifecta thought the guy's we had were better than they really are...They were hoping the System would hide the deficiencies in the secondary...


Let's see...Our secondary consisted of 2 guy's that missed most of the year with injures Renaldo Hill,and Yeremiah Bell,I'm Constantly Nicked up Andre Goodman,I'm always hurt Travis Daniels...I'm not smart enough to get on the field Jason Allen....The over achieving Micheal Lehan,Will Allen.Then he brought in Keith Davis,(Who's gone now),and Chris "I can't do Didly "Crocker....Nate Jones?

I still think, regardless of the plans, it was a bad move not to take at least one secondary guy....

I'm curious, where would you have taken one?

Our first 4 picks were MONSTER picks in my book. All great picks. A first, two second round picks and a third (Langford).

I've already detailed the dreariness of the sixth round DBs, so let's say you would have taken our fourth rounder (Shawn Murphy) instead (we didn't have a fifth):

EIGHT defensive backs were drafted in the fourth round, after we picked Murphy. Of these eight, TWO have as much as a single assist. Jonathan Wilhite, who plays for a team with a pretty bad secondary (the Pats), has a total of zero starts and two tackles (both solo). Dwight Lowery, who plays for the Jets, is the only player of the eight who looks like he might belong in the NFL. Lowery actually won a starting spot.

I think the problem is that cornerbacks and safeties are valued so greatly in today's NFL that there just isn't much left come the fourth round. This year, SIX defensive backs went in the first round, SIX in the second and SEVEN in the third. Plus the first two picks of the fourth were defensive backs (we picked eleventh). That's TWENTY ONE defensive backs that went off the board before we got there with out fourth.

Quickly looking that the positions drafted, I wasn't able to find a single position taken more often in the first three rounds (plus first 10 of fourth) than defensive back. And that's despite combining offensive and defensive linemen, respectively (since DBs cover both safeties and corners).

Seriously, if you want to grab a player for your secondary in the draft, you'd better be willing to spend a first-day pick on it.

For the hell of it, I decided to check where some top cornerbacks were drafted. Not wanting to bias anything by coming up with a list by myself, I googled for one.

http://www.football.com/top10/top_10_cornerbacks_in_the_league.html

1 Champ Bailey – Denver Broncos
2 Chris McAlister – Baltimore Ravens
3 Asante Samuel – New England Patriots
4 DeAngelo Hall – Atlanta Falcons
5 Nate Clements – San Francisco 49ers
6 Rashean Mathis – Jacksonville
7 Ronde Barber - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
8 Antoine Winfield -- Minnesota
9 Lito Shepard – Philadelphia Eagles
10 Charles Woodson – Green Bay Packers

Considering the number of DBs taken in every round of the draft, you'd expect a pretty good spread. Look at starting quarterbacks in the NFL. No position is more valued or more coveted, yet it's obviously a hard position to draft, because there are plenty of undrafted and lowly drafted starting quarterbacks out there (Romo and Brady, just to name one of each, although I submit that Brady technically isn't a starter right now).


Bailey: 7th overall
McAlister: 10th overall
Hall: 8th overall
Samuel: 120th overall (4th round)
Clements: 21st overall
Mathis: 39th overall (2nd round)
Barber: 66th overall (3rd round)
Winfield: 23rd overall
Sheppard: 26th overall
Woodson: 4th overall

That tells me that great cornerbacks are either pretty easy to identify or the shear number of them picked in the first rounds simply vacuums the market of any real talent.

Corner isn't like running back or lineman. You don't just find someone on day 2. You have to be willing to spend a good pick to get a good player.

Sure there are SOME good players taken later, there always will be, but considering the shear number of players taken at that position, the number of misses outside the first few rounds must be HUGE.

What's that have to do with price of hamburger in china? You're being far too un realistic...You honestly think every player drafted should be the top 10 at each postition...That's what you're argueing..Hindsight is 20/20 ....Easy to say who should we've taken now....Err nice your list is from August 15 2007....

Their Plan was flawed to begin with,even if they were drafting to fullfill their needs on the O line and D line...(which I'm not argueing is a bad thing,We needed it) It's still Flawed...Did we really Think that our 6th round pick was going to be our starting right Guard? no we got lucky it worked for a week..till he got hurt....

I also wanted a Linebacker....We were in a fight with JT,and could have used another LB/DE..Zach was gone....(we did the Fasano Adeyle trade in between day 1 and day 2).....(I'm still not sold on Torbor...he's a Special teamer IMO)

As I stated before...Look at the guy's we had on the roster at the time...A flyer pick on a corner,a saftey..The majority of our Defensive backs are 26-30 to years old...Not alot of youth there.....Wasn't the worse move....Draft a Special teams Maven with upside to play nickel Corner....Yerimiah Bell was a 6th rounder...Lehan was a 5th rounder....Renaldo Hill 7th rounder AZ cardinals...They don't need to be first round picks to get on the field....

My point was general. I could have used a list from 1990, had I found one.


I think this is where you and I fundamentally disagree on drafting. You appear to believe that we should take a chance on our positions of greatest need, whereas I tend to believe that we should take whomever we think has the best chance of making the team - even if that's a position we already have covered. When you're that deep in the draft (and that's what we're talking about here), I really do think you need to go 100% for potential and hope the guys doing the evaluating are good.

Yeah a geaneral point that went no where..you failed to realize that 3 of the 6 top Db's in our roster our from the 5th 6th,and 7th round right now....

Err yeah 6 running backs on your roster,and no one to block for them....Having the best running backs in the wolrd doesn't do you any good if you don't have anyone to block for them....

O Line is still a thin postion...

Ask Matt Millen about drafting to make your Team.....and failing to address your needs....

In terms of "started games compared to league average", Millen's biggest failure was second day picks, not the first-day blunders we remember him for.


Just because you did not grasp it does not mean I did not make my point.

I started by asking you where you would have gone DB. Would you really have used one of our top picks on that? If so, fine, hindsight is 20/20 and even though I'm exceptionally happy with the players we go there, it's not unreasonable to argue that spending one of those picks on a DB would have been the better move at the time. I'm trying to understand if that's what YOU wanted, hence my opening question (which you, in true Internet-debate style, completely neglected to address).

Note also that I never claimed our DB situation isn't in (dire) need of improvement. I think it is. I just don't believe the odds were ever good that a low pick would have improved our situation. As my, admittedly sparse, research hinted, it seems like you need to spend a top pick on a DB to get a top player - UNLIKE most other positions, where there are plenty of low picks among the best.

That was my point. Getting a DB in the latter rounds would have been futile, so I applaud the team for going with whomever they thought were the players most likely to contribute and not just picking a DB for "show".

No you dribbled on about No players drafted in the 4th round or later ever become top ten players....Then made a bunch of assumptions....

You don't need top ten Defensive backs in the league....Sometimes you need quality depth,and role players,that might develop into something....

Take Flyer with a 6th,or 7th round pick.....Is all I wanted rather than taking the Extra Running back...Is that so hard to figure out?

But then again you're wanting to debate every But,Shoulda,woulda Coulda....Without looking at where we were at,at the time of the draft...

You're making assumptions based on NOTHING. I made assumptions based on a little research. Now, I'll be the first to admit that my research wasn't anywhere near exhaustive, but it did reveal one interesting thing:

Had we picked a DB with our 4th round pick, it would have been the 22nd DB to come off the board!

That's where we were at the time of that pick. I don't know if 2008 saw an extraordinary run on DBs for that many to be chosen so early, but regardless, there is no other position where so many players were picked. Even if you do have a need, you don't go to well you damn well KNOW is dry, or at least no more than filled with mud. You go for the well that might hold some water, even if it's not exactly what you need the most. We're such a bad team, that our needs would always exceed our ability to draft them in 2008.


I think you're mistaking my posts for some by a guy called "Lil B" who the one wanting to debate every little woulda coulda shoulda without looking at where we were at the time of the draft.

As for taking a flyer in the 6th or 7th, I disagree for the previously stated reasons. It SOUNDS like a good idea and it would LOOK like management was at least trying to address the position. However, the odds of finding a good DB that late in the game are ridiculously low compared to the odds of finding a good lineman, running back or even quarterback.

  Lets look at where we were at the time of the draft at the RB position....Ricky Williams ( I love the guy), one bong hit away from not playing this season or ever again...Ronnie Brown, coming off of Major reconstructive knee surgery....we did not know when he would be 100% (also Ronnie has never played 16 games in the NFL)...Patrick Cobbs, has not proven to be an every down NFL back in case Ricky or Ronnie couldn't play for some reason....drafting RBs was not a bad move at that point in the draft ;)

  We are rebuilding and had a GREAT first draft under Mr. Parcells/Mr. Ireland/Coach Sparano....you guys are expecting WAY to much from just 1 draft.

Do you just like seeing yourself type? Research? no your opinion...Because you Believe we can't get someone, because of the ODDS.   ::)

SO the FUCK WHAT IF IT WAS THE 22nd Corner off the Board?  ???

All B.S. assumption....Shoulda woulda coulda type shit I was talking about.....Same with the majority of your last 2 posts......We were talking about this in April before,and During the Draft..Not 4 games into the regular season..All your "research" is B.S. Because it's hindsight, it's September almost October

The whole Point...Back in April....It was a postition we needed an upgrade at...
Take Flyer with a 6th,or 7th round pick.....Is all I wanted rather than taking the Extra Running back...Is that so hard to figure out?


Whatever Dude....
Why don't you go study some more Catch percentages,from a obscure websites that doesn't watch football......See where that gets you..... ::)


And hey Rick....I already too those into an account....But then again..You still need lineman to block for them too....I better make this crystal clear..(so we don't get 4 paragraph B.S. Assumption,on something that they can't read) The RB's TEND to be easier to find off the scrap heap to fill in...(even though we didn't know this then) as of right now yyou have guy's like Cedric Benson ans Shawn Alexander still free agents...Eddie George was picked up by Dallas While Bill Parcells was there....Bill Knows that..

No, your position is not hard to figure out. It's just stupid and I've tried to point that out. I'm not talking coulda woulda shoulda, despite what you may think. I based my comments SOLELY on what was available when we were deciding whom to pick with our fourth rounder. If you can't wrap your head around that, sorry, not my problem.

Stupid really?  attacking something I said in April of 2008,while looking at the team in April 2008...Based on info That was going on during the draft..and all the shit research that you've presented is From September....And is hindsight after seeing 4 preseason games,and 3 regular season games...Is stupid...Wow Amaizing..FYO....Amazing....

Lets keep it civil please....

Lil B, I initially responded to your post of 26 September. In this post you expressed the opinion that you still feel the team should have taken at least one DB:

"I still think, regardless of the plans, it was a bad move not to take at least one secondary guy...."

I simply responded by explaining that I'm surprised you feel this way and wondering what draft slot you would have used. I didn't know if you felt we should have used a second round pick or a late second day pick and was simply curious to know. As it turns out, we go lucky (or so I think) with our top picks, but that is hindsight and is not relevant, as you say (and that has been my opinion all along as well). What is relevant is whether we should have, given the situation in the draft, with only the information known at that time, taken a DB. If so, at what point?

At no point did I suggest we shouldn't have drafted a DB, because we got Donald Thomas or whatever with our pick. No, my conclusion, based on looking up the information available at the time, is how many DBs were taken already at that point. I also wanted to gain some small bit of insight into what positions are best to address late in the draft. Clearly, not all positions are the same and it might be much more probable to find a good guy at one position as opposed to another. Now, I didn't want to spend weeks researching the topic, but from what little I did dig up, it seemed that DB was a bad position to try and address with a late pick.

Additionally, as mentioned, even early in the fourth round, a massive 21 DBs had already gone off the board when it was our turn. That makes it seem "stupid" (my word, which you appeared to object to) to go there again with so many needs. I honestly feel that we, as a team, need to get as many quality players as we can. Just going for a specific position, well, that's actually Matt Millen-esque.

On day two a team needs to be looking for best player available, someone who can make the team regardless of any position. 

Even drafting for need on day 1 can result in Eric Kumerows and Eddie Moores.