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Title: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: jtex316 on September 29, 2008, 04:43:30 pm
if your VP candidate turns out to be a complete moron, as is the case here, and is "asked to leave" (e.g. Get the fuck back to Alaska you idiot), is that the end of McCain for president, and should we award Obama the presidency immediately following that? How can you mount any kind of campaign, debate, or any argument after your VP selection turned out to be such a catastrophe that you had to replace them within a mere few months?


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on September 29, 2008, 04:44:43 pm
Where is it saying that she could be replaced?  Links?


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: StL FinFan on September 29, 2008, 04:44:56 pm
You really really hate women, don't you?


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Dave Gray on September 29, 2008, 04:45:50 pm
Not in this case, no.

Palin would step down because she "wants to be with her family", as is the excuse that everyone uses when they resign.

But in this case, McCain's judgment would be under fire and he'd get trounced.

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I think that Palin is completely unqualified (not just with experience, but also with intelligence and knowledge.)  However, I think she'll surprise people in the debate.  The bar is set so low that if she doesn't shit herself on stage, it may be seen as victory.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Fau Teixeira on September 29, 2008, 04:46:14 pm
palin was nominated by her party .. she is on the ballot .. if she "steps down" before the election and mccain gets elected, then there won't be a VP until mccain nominates on and he's voted in by the senate.

if the senate remains solidly democratic you can expect them to block a VP candidate that's too far to the right .. also if mccain is without a VP and is incapacitated at any time, then Nancy Pelosi becomes president


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Fau Teixeira on September 29, 2008, 04:47:54 pm
and palin is just horrendous btw .. anyone watch her interview with couric .. which btw couric isn't known for being that difficult of an interview .. and she's getting ridiculed .. it's horrible to watch.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: jtex316 on September 29, 2008, 04:48:18 pm
Tommy - The first word of the title of this post is "IF" - This is a merely hypothetical thread.

STL - Sarah Palin is a complete Alaskan moron. She should jump off of a very high bridge, like the one that leads to nowhere. There are SEVERAL highly intelligent women that could be a VP, Palin is not one of these people I am very afraid.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: jtex316 on September 29, 2008, 04:52:23 pm
For example, what if Barack Obama came out today and was like "Fellow Americans, I am very sorry to inform you that Joe Biden cannot continue his duties as your next VP - we will be announcing a new VP soon". There would be a FIELD DAY in the media about Obama and the entire Democratic Party, wouldn't there?


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Buddhagirl on September 29, 2008, 04:53:56 pm
and palin is just horrendous btw .. anyone watch her interview with couric .. which btw couric isn't known for being that difficult of an interview .. and she's getting ridiculed .. it's horrible to watch.

I think they're supposed to show more of that interview tonight. Those interviews were horrendous. She hasn't got a clue about anything outside of Alaska.

If she steps down, McCain will definitely lose. People will have too much doubt in his decision making abilities.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Buddhagirl on September 29, 2008, 04:56:39 pm
You really really hate women, don't you?

I don't see how his criticizing someone that is CLEARLY out of her league as hating women. This is like the people that are claiming that criticizing Palin is anti-feminism. That woman is certainly no feminist.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on September 29, 2008, 05:00:09 pm
Tommy - The first word of the title of this post is "IF" - This is a merely hypothetical thread.

OK I understand. 

Has anyone here on TDMMC heard any rumors of her stepping down?  If so, I'd like to know. 


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: StL FinFan on September 29, 2008, 05:03:26 pm
I don't see how his criticizing someone that is CLEARLY out of her league as hating women. This is like the people that are claiming that criticizing Palin is anti-feminism. That woman is certainly no feminist.

It's not just her.  He has had a pattern of women-bashing.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 29, 2008, 05:04:38 pm
palin was nominated by her party .. she is on the ballot .. if she "steps down" before the election and mccain gets elected, then there won't be a VP until mccain nominates on and he's voted in by the senate.

if the senate remains solidly democratic you can expect them to block a VP candidate that's too far to the right .. also if mccain is without a VP and is incapacitated at any time, then Nancy Pelosi becomes president

And if that happens, expect the pitchforks and torches to come out.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Dave Gray on September 29, 2008, 05:08:53 pm
I think that Palin is a step backwards for women.

She's so ridiculously unqualified and quite-frankly, an irresponsible and dangerous choice, that it's a slap in the face of the many women that were actually qualified based on their intelligence, platform and credentials.  It's going to make the next step for a woman who actually deserves it that much more difficult.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Buddhagirl on September 29, 2008, 05:16:03 pm
I think that Palin is a step backwards for women.

She's so ridiculously unqualified and quite-frankly, an irresponsible and dangerous choice, that it's a slap in the face of the many women that were actually qualified based on their intelligence, platform and credentials.  It's going to make the next step for a woman who actually deserves it that much more difficult.

Agreed.

It's not just her.  He has had a pattern of women-bashing.

This I agree with. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't due to the fact that someone is criticizing Palin.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: pintofguinness14 on September 29, 2008, 05:21:22 pm
I just saw a clip from the interview on MSNBC. Scary.



Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: stinkfish on September 29, 2008, 05:23:33 pm
So Palin is a moron. What did Biden say about FDR, TV and the Depression? Funny that you never heard anything about that on the national media. Now had Palin said something like that, It would have been front page. Biden also said something along the line like "Hillary is just as, or more qualified than I am for VP" Yeah, he's a Mensa member. I may be mistaken, but haven't I seen Biden cry on the floor of Congress.?


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Sunstroke on September 29, 2008, 05:28:29 pm

For the first couple of days after Palin was announced as McCain's VP, I kept waiting for someone to pop out and say "April Fools!!"

Surely the Republican's understood that she would get exposed long before the election, right? I mean, c'mon...this isn't the 1930's media on the campaign trail, it's the 21st century version, and their cold little techno glass eyes miss nothing.



Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 29, 2008, 05:29:00 pm
So Palin is a moron. What did Biden say about FDR, TV and the Depression? Funny that you never heard anything about that on the national media. Now had Palin said something like that, It would have been front page. Biden also said something along the line like "Hillary is just as, or more qualified than I am for VP" Yeah, he's a Mensa member. I may be mistaken, but haven't I seen Biden cry on the floor of Congress.?

Aww come on...Enjoy all the Palin bashing. I think its hilarious. Palin will clean Biden's clock on Thursday, and after that, the attacks will get worse. Its called desperation. If she's as stupid as all the Palin haters say, then why don't they just leave her alone, and let her hang herself?


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: StL FinFan on September 29, 2008, 05:30:26 pm
Personally, I think both of them are idiots. 


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: pintofguinness14 on September 29, 2008, 05:34:20 pm
why don't they just leave her alone, and let her hang herself?

I think that's what we're all expecting to happen.  ;)

Seriously, John McCain is a good man and a hero, but he is also really f*cking old. He had an obligation to pick a VP who was qualified. Instead, he went with Palin. I felt insulted when her name was announced.



Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on September 29, 2008, 05:38:23 pm
Seriously, John McCain is a good man and a hero, but he is also really f*cking old. He had an obligation to pick a VP who was qualified. Instead, he went with Palin. I felt insulted when her name was announced.

For once we agree on something.  Either Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee would've been a much better choice. 


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: fyo on September 29, 2008, 05:39:40 pm
If Palin steps down and it in any way looks like she is fired, McCain is done.

If there were a REALLY good reason for her to step down, I think it might work out. Like, say, the death of a close family member. Something no one in the media would dare criticize her for, at least openly. It has to be ironclad that McCain's judgment was not faulty in picking her. I.e. if she goes down, so does he. The "replacement" has to happen without her "going down".


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: pintofguinness14 on September 29, 2008, 05:42:35 pm
If Palin steps down and it in any way looks like she is fired, McCain is done.

If there were a REALLY good reason for her to step down, I think it might work out. Like, say, the death of a close family member. Something no one in the media would dare criticize her for, at least openly. It has to be ironclad that McCain's judgment was not faulty in picking her. I.e. if she goes down, so does he. The "replacement" has to happen without her "going down".

Maybe her daughter will get knocked up and she'll have a baby with downs syndrome. oh, my bad...

So given the above, what exactly is left that could happen? She's not going to back out. McCain will either sink or swim with Palin. She might still surprise me, but I doubt it.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: stinkfish on September 29, 2008, 05:42:44 pm
For once we agree on something.  Either Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee would've been a much better choice. 
I would have thought Romney too, and hoped hard that it would have been him. The problem with that is Romney and McCain REALLY don't like each other. That, and Romney's Mormonism would have been enough to scare off all of the fine, enlightened voters in this country.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: simeon on September 29, 2008, 05:47:37 pm
Wow many on this board don't like seeing women achieve great things. How many of the liberals call her dumb while Obama is touring 57 states is funny. They are politicians and they tend to make a gaff's every now and then. I see no reason for her to step down from running as VP. None of these people are dumb they all serve in public office for a reason, though she may be out of her league debating Biden. What I find hilarious is republicans think Biden will step down and hand off to Clinton, and Democrats believe Palin will step down and hand off to Romney.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: pintofguinness14 on September 29, 2008, 05:48:58 pm
dumb and unqualified are not the same thing. She's unqualified, but I assume she is not actually an idiot.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Dave Gray on September 29, 2008, 05:50:51 pm
McCain/Romney would be better for the current situation, but most likely, Obama wouldn't have gotten a convention bump like he did from Palin.

In short, McCain needed a short-term game changer in order to stay in the race.  Obama was gaining pretty big at the time.  Unfortunately, the pick probably will hurt him in the long run.

Either way, McCain's path to the presidency was too difficult.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 29, 2008, 05:53:54 pm
McCain/Romney would be better for the current situation, but most likely, Obama wouldn't have gotten a convention bump like he did from Palin.

In short, McCain needed a short-term game changer in order to stay in the race.  Obama was gaining pretty big at the time.  Unfortunately, the pick probably will hurt him in the long run.

Either way, McCain's path to the presidency was too difficult.

Its been said before. Romney and McCain don't like each other. The bounce came because McCain chose a real conservative, which energized the base of the GOP. If he had chosen Liberman like everyone on the left wanted, it would have been an Obama slam dunk, and I suspect that everyone who was pushing for Liberman knows that too.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: simeon on September 29, 2008, 06:00:28 pm
Its been said before. Romney and McCain don't like each other. The bounce came because McCain chose a real conservative, which energized the base of the GOP. If he had chosen Liberman like everyone on the left wanted, it would have been an Obama slam dunk, and I suspect that everyone who was pushing for Liberman knows that too.
great point Frimp Palin is a great lady, and I like her but not McCain. I think its great to have a women run for a high office though I can not cast my vote for McCain because of his liberal ways. However I do remember when I voted for Mondale and Furraro not sure if that is how her name is spelt.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: stinkfish on September 29, 2008, 06:02:05 pm
^McCain is too liberal for you? What do you think about Obama?


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Buddhagirl on September 29, 2008, 06:09:46 pm
great point Frimp Palin is a great lady, and I like her but not McCain. I think its great to have a women run for a high office though I can not cast my vote for McCain because of his liberal ways. However I do remember when I voted for Mondale and Furraro not sure if that is how her name is spelt.

Wow. The structure and spelling of this paragraph alone explains why you think Palin is smart.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: simeon on September 29, 2008, 06:12:10 pm
Wow. The structure and spelling of this paragraph alone explains why you think Palin is smart.
Instead of pointing to people on the board and saying hateful things about them, try sticking to the subject.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Dave Gray on September 29, 2008, 06:13:44 pm
I'll stick to the subject:

Sarah Palin is a friggin' moron and has no business running for dog-catcher, much less the person who might be running our country in January.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: simeon on September 29, 2008, 06:17:32 pm
I'll stick to the subject:

Sarah Palin is a friggin' moron and has no business running for dog-catcher, much less the person who might be running our country in January.
No Dave it is not on the point and as an administrator you should know that. Saying hateful things about me or what I type is not on subject, it is just hateful.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 29, 2008, 06:28:23 pm
I'll stick to the subject:

Sarah Palin is a friggin' moron and has no business running for dog-catcher, much less the person who might be running our country in January.

LMAO!!

 ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: CF DolFan on September 29, 2008, 06:40:56 pm
As much as you guys like to bash her and McCain for that matter ... neither one is what you portray themto be.  If it was true they would have no one voting for them except that same 8 % that think the moon landing was staged.    ;)


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Buddhagirl on September 29, 2008, 06:42:48 pm
No Dave it is not on the point and as an administrator you should know that. Saying hateful things about me or what I type is not on subject, it is just hateful.

I was on topic. You were talking about how liberals thought she was dumb. I was pointing out why you thought she was smart.

And people think liberals are whiners...

On topic - The woman is an idiot. Period. I'm insulted that McCain put her on the ticket.



Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 29, 2008, 06:49:43 pm
Wow..How insulted will you be if the McCain/Palin ticket wins?  ;D


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Buddhagirl on September 29, 2008, 06:50:38 pm
Wow..How insulted will you be if the McCain/Palin ticket wins?  ;D

Hugely.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Sunstroke on September 29, 2008, 06:58:53 pm
Wow many on this board don't like seeing women achieve great things.

You don't know anyone on this board well enough to support such a ridiculous statement. You may as well say "many on this board don't like seeing Alaskans achieve great things..."

Some of the shit that comes out of your keyboard...mind-boggling.




Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: simeon on September 29, 2008, 07:01:40 pm
I was on topic. You were talking about how liberals thought she was dumb. I was pointing out why you thought she was smart.

And people think liberals are whiners...

On topic - The woman is an idiot. Period. I'm insulted that McCain put her on the ticket.


On thing I have know is you add words to peoples mouth's maybe because you don't like that person or disagree with them. Instead you said quote I said she was smart. What I really said was all these people are not dumb because they are in public office.
I include O'bama in there because he has said some dumb stuff, but it does not qualify him as an idiot.  You have a right to believe what you want, just as I do, but let's try to doing without calling each other or other people on the board name's. I do not believe Palin is an idiot, I think we need to see how she does in the debate.

You don't know anyone on this board well enough to support such a ridiculous statement. You may as well say "many on this board don't like seeing Alaskans achieve great things..."

Some of the shit that comes out of your keyboard...mind-boggling.



Stroke are you kidding me, many on this board have been ripping her and calling her name's. But you are right I don't know everyone well enough, so if I offended any one I humbly apologize.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Dave Gray on September 29, 2008, 07:14:04 pm
We're ripping her because she's unqualified and an embarrassment, not because she's a woman.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 29, 2008, 07:15:21 pm
We're ripping her because she's unqualified and an embarrassment, not because she's a woman.

Some people feel the same way about Obama.  ;)


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Buddhagirl on September 29, 2008, 07:16:45 pm
On thing I have know is you add words to peoples mouth's maybe because you don't like that person or disagree with them. Instead you said quote I said she was smart. What I really said was all these people are not dumb because they are in public office.
I include O'bama in there because he has said some dumb stuff, but it does not qualify him as an idiot.  You have a right to believe what you want, just as I do, but let's try to doing without calling each other or other people on the board name's. I do not believe Palin is an idiot, I think we need to see how she does in the debate.
Stroke are you kidding me, many on this board have been ripping her and calling her name's. But you are right I don't know everyone well enough, so if I offended any one I humbly apologize.


People are ripping her because she is not capable of doing the job. Though a lot of people don't like her, I didn't hear people accuse Hilary Clinton of being an idiot.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Dave Gray on September 29, 2008, 07:18:18 pm
Some people feel the same way about Obama.  ;)

You can find "some people" that will say anything.  But I'm in no way suggesting that your criticisms of Obama are because he's a black guy.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: simeon on September 29, 2008, 07:18:31 pm
We're ripping her because she's unqualified and an embarrassment, not because she's a woman.
Are you sure many are not ripping her because she is a republican and not a democrat ? And Frimp is right, many feel the same towards O'bama. But the man won the right to run as predident, time will tell.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Dave Gray on September 29, 2008, 07:24:54 pm
Are you sure many are ripping her because she is a republican and not a democrat ? And Frimp is right, many feel the same towards O'bama.

Obama is not a moron.  You might not agree with him on stuff.  But he's a smart man.

So is McCain, although I think he's on the wrong side of a lot of things.  I can recognize that he has what it takes to run for office.

And so is Biden.  Biden says stupid shit of the cuff that makes for funny clips, but he understands the issues.

Palin is a joke of a candidate and shouldn't be on the national stage.  I don't care if she's a Democrat, Republican, or Whig.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Sunstroke on September 29, 2008, 08:13:18 pm

If the Whig party ever came back into prominence, I could easily see myself getting back into politics...



Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 29, 2008, 08:33:13 pm
Obama is not a moron.  You might not agree with him on stuff.  But he's a smart man.

So is McCain, although I think he's on the wrong side of a lot of things.  I can recognize that he has what it takes to run for office.

And so is Biden.  Biden says stupid shit of the cuff that makes for funny clips, but he understands the issues.

Palin is a joke of a candidate and shouldn't be on the national stage.  I don't care if she's a Democrat, Republican, or Whig.

So, Palin is a moron and Obama is not? I believe Obama is educated. (university) But when it comes to leadership, he is a total moron.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Dave Gray on September 29, 2008, 08:37:38 pm
So, Palin is a moron and Obama is not?

Correct.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 29, 2008, 09:00:29 pm
Correct.

I feel so sorry for you...All that hatred.  ;D


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Buddhagirl on September 29, 2008, 09:00:40 pm
Are you sure many are not ripping her because she is a republican and not a democrat ? And Frimp is right, many feel the same towards O'bama. But the man won the right to run as predident, time will tell.

Obama went to Harvard School of Law. He also worked on the Law Review there. He graduated magna cum laude. He then taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago, which is a top 10 law school. They do not have dumb people teach there.

Palin got a degree in journalism. It took her numerous colleges to accomplish this. None of these touch Harvard:

Hawaii Pacific University (Fall 1982),
North Idaho College (Spring 1983 & Fall 1983),
University of Idaho (Fall 1984 - Spring 1985),
Matanuska-Susitna College (Fall 1985) and
University of Idaho (Spring 1986, Fall 1986 and Spring 1987 )

I know going Ivy League doesn't prove one is smart, but her education doesn't even touch Obama's and it's difficult to argue that he is dumb.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 29, 2008, 09:09:18 pm
Obama went to Harvard School of Law. He also worked on the Law Review there. He graduated magna cum laude. He then taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago, which is a top 10 law school. They do not have dumb people teach there.

Palin got a degree in journalism. It took her numerous colleges to accomplish this. None of these touch Harvard:

Hawaii Pacific University (Fall 1982),
North Idaho College (Spring 1983 & Fall 1983),
University of Idaho (Fall 1984 - Spring 1985),
Matanuska-Susitna College (Fall 1985) and
University of Idaho (Spring 1986, Fall 1986 and Spring 1987 )

I know going Ivy League doesn't prove one is smart, but her education doesn't even touch Obama's and it's difficult to argue that he is dumb.

Who's smarter? President Bush, John Kerry, or Sarah Palin?


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: bsmooth on September 29, 2008, 09:15:10 pm
Anyone see the new Palin skit on SNL. Fey used Palin's words exactly and it was hilarious. Are you going to try and argue that a black man coming from a broken home and put his way through one of the toughest schools in the world and graduated with honors is on the same level as a failed beauty queen who majored in one of the easiest degree programs that is full of pretty people hoping to get onto tv based on their looks?
Simone- Wow you need to come out of the closet and embrace your inner elephant and give up on this crap that you are an independant. You rabidly defend the GOP as good as RTW and Frimp and that is saying something.
I am so glad McCain suspended his campaign and went to work getting this bailout package done.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on September 29, 2008, 09:16:37 pm
She has also lied to the American people regarding an affair.  When a sitting president did it we had an impeachment hearing and senate trial. 

No reason to elect someone who has already done that. 



Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: stinkfish on September 29, 2008, 09:22:18 pm
If the Whig party ever came back into prominence, I could easily see myself getting back into politics...


I voted for a Whig once just because he was a Whig. He lost :(


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Buddhagirl on September 29, 2008, 09:27:11 pm
Who's smarter? President Bush, John Kerry, or Sarah Palin?

That's difficult. Palin isn't even in the running. Kerry and Bush are tied in my opinion. Both were meidiocre students.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 29, 2008, 09:32:45 pm
She has also lied to the American people regarding an affair.  When a sitting president did it we had an impeachment hearing and senate trial. 

No reason to elect someone who has already done that. 



Source?


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Sunstroke on September 29, 2008, 09:35:25 pm
Palin got a degree in journalism. It took her numerous colleges to accomplish this. None of these touch Harvard:

Hawaii Pacific University (Fall 1982),
North Idaho College (Spring 1983 & Fall 1983),
University of Idaho (Fall 1984 - Spring 1985),
Matanuska-Susitna College (Fall 1985) and
University of Idaho (Spring 1986, Fall 1986 and Spring 1987 )

Ahhh, the prestige of a Northern Idaho/Matanuska-Susitna education. How can a mere Harvard Law man hope to defeat that sort of matriculation...




Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: bsmooth on September 29, 2008, 11:25:32 pm
Ahhh, the prestige of a Northern Idaho/Matanuska-Susitna education. How can a mere Harvard Law man hope to defeat that sort of matriculation...




Shoosh with the hate.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Fau Teixeira on September 29, 2008, 11:51:53 pm
it's not hatred to think that someone is woefully incompetent and unqualified for a job .. it's reality ..

i wouldn't vote palin for school superintendent with her record and policies .. much less VP


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 30, 2008, 12:01:23 am
I am just kidding when I am jabbing about hate. I just think its hilarious to see all the celebrities, MSM, and every left wing pundit flying off the handle about Sarah Palin. They all call her stupid, and come up with outrageous stories about her. My point is this: If she's so stupid, why all the hostility toward her?

From Fau:

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it's not hatred to think that someone is woefully incompetent and unqualified for a job .. it's reality ..


I agree 100% with you. I feel that way about Obama, but you don't see the McCain/Palin supporters concocting slanderous stories and defaming Obama's families. We don't agree with him, and we don't want him to be president, but at the same time, we respect him enough to let him hang himself. Why can't the Obama supporters do the same if they are so convinced that she's such an idiot?
 


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Sunstroke on September 30, 2008, 12:07:37 am
Shoosh with the hate.

I would paint the pope as a 3-legged man-whore if the mere thought provided me with an inner chuckle...and you think I'm going to lay off a political candidate? Really?

Sarcasm, irreverence...yes. Hate...no sir. ;D



Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: simeon on September 30, 2008, 12:12:47 am
I would paint the pope as a 3-legged man-whore if the mere thought provided me with an inner chuckle...and you think I'm going to lay off a political candidate? Really?

Sarcasm, irreverence...yes. Hate...no sir. ;D


Boy some of the stuff coming out of your keyboard, is darn right scary. ;D


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Sunstroke on September 30, 2008, 12:26:02 am
Boy some of the stuff coming out of your keyboard, is darn right scary. ;D 

Honestly, it's the shit I never let come out of the keyboard that would probably scare the crap out of you... I explore and embrace both ends of mankind's duality-reality with equal appreciation. uh oh...I feel a poem coming on.

Cliffs are for lemmings
Blinders are for horses
Horizons stretch on every side
I plot a thousand courses

BTW... the department of colloquialisms asked me to mention that, in your quoted post, "downright scary" was the phrase you were probably after.



Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Dave Gray on September 30, 2008, 12:43:10 am
I agree 100% with you. I feel that way about Obama, but you don't see the McCain/Palin supporters concocting slanderous stories and defaming Obama's families.

I would beg to differ, for several reasons.  The stuff dealing with Palin's family is related to her conflicting political views.  Both sides are using it to their advantage.  The fact that she birthed a handicapped kid showed her dedication to the pro-life movement, as some say.  At the same time, her "no birth control" policies didn't seem to have worked in her own family.

Also, the right absolutely did go after flaws in Obama's family.  Remember the month long bickering about Michelle Obama not being proud of her country? 

It's just that Obama has been properly vetted by the American public, and all this stuff (Reverand Wright, Patriotism, Drug Use, etc) has been slowly trickled out over the last 2 years.  Palin just entered the game, and quite frankly, she's giving her opposition a lot to work with.

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We don't agree with him, and we don't want him to be president, but at the same time, we respect him enough to let him hang himself. Why can't the Obama supporters do the same if they are so convinced that she's such an idiot?

That's just not true.  Obama isn't hanging himself at all.  McCain is doing everything he can (and rightfully so) to insert politics at every turn to gain an advantage.  Whenever the campaign comes back to issues, Obama gets a huge bump.  Whenever it gets to bickering (lipstick on pigs, sexism, patriotism) McCain gets a bump.

I honestly think that Palin is utterly dangerous to have as a Vice President, and that the selection of her completely throws McCain's "Country First" tagline out the window.  I know that choosing a VP has a lot to do with politics, but you can't seriously think that she's qualified to run the country.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 30, 2008, 01:25:33 am
I don't think that Obama is ready to run the country. And, I didn't say that he will definately hang himself. I said that I'd have enough respect to let him hang himself. If he doesn't, that's fine. I won't like it, but its fine. I'm not going to make jokes that he's having sex with his daughters, and I'm not going to make up stories about affairs, or anything else. If he wins, it will be because he won the election. That's good enough for me.

And, the things that are being used against Palin..the fact that she didn't kill the special needs baby is pathetic. I wonder how many Democrat mayors, govorners, senators, reps, etc have special needs kids. I'd also bet that there are many pro choice families who have teenage kids who got pregnant and chose to have the baby rather than kill it.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Dave Gray on September 30, 2008, 01:31:50 am
..the fact that she didn't kill the special needs baby is pathetic. I wonder how many Democrat mayors, govorners, senators, reps, etc have special needs kids. I'd also bet that there are many pro choice families who have teenage kids who got pregnant and chose to have the baby rather than kill it.

I was using that as one of her perceived positives...that she practices what she preaches.  It wasn't a knock on her.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 30, 2008, 01:36:42 am
I was using that as one of her perceived positives...that she practices what she preaches.  It wasn't a knock on her.


Oh... :-[


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Buddhagirl on September 30, 2008, 01:51:44 am
Frimp, people have made up stories about Obama, too. The problem is that they've already been proven not true. People are always going to be slanderous. The attacks on his wife were completely ridiculous.

I do think Palin will hang herself. In the meantime, I think the woman is stupid. Not because I don't agree with her, but because she brings nothing to the table. I don't agree with McCain and his policies, but I don't think he's stupid. Same with most of the other Republicans. I don't like Condeleeza Rice, but I know that woman is far from stupid and have a great deal of respect for her. Palin is not even on the same playing field as someone like Rice.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: bsmooth on September 30, 2008, 03:24:15 am
The one thing buried about the Palin thing is this. The men McCain's age have a 33% chance of dying before their next birthday, and this is going to keep going up each year, plus you have to combine this with the fact he has had a harse life that took a huge toll on his body.
This means Palin has a better chance of becoming president through succession than Biden does.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 30, 2008, 03:39:25 am
The one thing buried about the Palin thing is this. The men McCain's age have a 33% chance of dying before their next birthday, and this is going to keep going up each year, plus you have to combine this with the fact he has had a harse life that took a huge toll on his body.
This means Palin has a better chance of becoming president through succession than Biden does.

What I don't get is why you feel she is unqualified. She was a mayor and a governor. Governors and mayors are held much more accountable for their actions and mistakes. Senators and represenatives are not for the most part, unless they do something really stupid, and even then, they find ways to get around it.. Look at the current crisis. Bill Clinton, George W Bush, and Ronald Reagan were all governors, and they all served 2 terms as president. (Whether or not you think they were good or bad presidents isn't the point, and I'm not going to get into a who was a better president debate.)

So, can you please give me specific reasons why you feel she is unqualified?


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Dave Gray on September 30, 2008, 03:52:01 am
So, can you please give me specific reasons why you feel she is unqualified?

Gladly.  I've watched all of her interviews and I don't think she understands the first thing about the challenges that she will face as a potential president.  She doesn't have even a basic understanding of constitutional law, foreign affairs, or global economic policy.  When she answers questions, I don't even fault her having the wrong answers, I fault her for not understanding the questions.  I don't feel that she understands the pros and cons to any of the positions that she's being told to take.

It's not because she's a governor.  Like you said, many presidents have been governors.  But those presidents spent the last year or two before stepping into office preparing, learning the issues, debating and defending their stances, forming positions, etc.  ...and then the electorate, through that election process, decided whether or not these candidates were appropriate for the job.

Palin has not been through that process.  She's been hand-picked and thrown into a situation that's totally out of her league.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Buddhagirl on September 30, 2008, 06:39:01 am

So, can you please give me specific reasons why you feel she is unqualified?

From watching interviews with her, it's apparent that this woman doesn't have a firm grip on economic issues, the war, or foreign policy. She knows Alaska. Period.

Have you watched any of these interviews? They're sad and embarrasing. I actually felt bad for her. That's pretty bad since I HATE the woman. Now it's coming out that there's more of the interview that they're not showing to keep from embarrasing her. Apparently she can't name a Supreme Court case other than Roe v. Wade. And she'll be one heart beat away from presidency? Does she even know what constitutional law is?



Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: MaineDolFan on September 30, 2008, 08:40:37 am
Sarah...can't.....resist....Palin....don't do it...is....the....reason...oh, God I can't help myself...WE INVADED IRAQ!


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: jtex316 on September 30, 2008, 09:12:45 am
I just want to say that, believe it or not, this thread has the most replies to any thread that I have ever started.

Couple of comments:

1. Obama is NOT ready to run this country. NEITHER is McCain, Palin, Biden, Rudy Guliani, Arnold Schwartzenegger, Oprah, or Dr. Phil. None of them have EVER been the US President before! (Wait...I think Oprah may have been for a few weeks sometime in 2003...). You can't really bitch about someone's level of readiness or experience when they have zero experience going in - I wish that someone in Obama-world would say this about McCain.

2. Sarah Palin is still an Alaskan Moron. I heard someone in class last night saying that Palin told someone that because Russian aircraft flies over the Alaskan skies, that this gives her experience in foreign affairs with Russia. PLEASE for the love of CHRIST, someone tell me that I mis-heard this.

3. Yes, I hate women, if that's a surprise for you, where the F have you been the last 5 years? Hillary, while a total old bitch, is >>>>>>> more intelligent, rational, and a far more sound choice as someone's VP (or even the Presidency) than that Wasilla Whore. (No, the National Enquirer doesn't lie - she said "I Love You" to her secret love!!!!).  What about Condolezza Rice? She's black AND female - talk about a power-play.

4. While George W. Bush is an absolute retard, there's almost this likeable quality to him in a very strange way. It's like Ralphie from the Simpsons after exclaiming "Ms. Hoover, my ear hurts and my leg hurts. I've got TWO ou-ies!". Believe it or not, I'd rather have an additional 4 years of GWB than John McCain. Why? John McCain scares the shit out of me. I think this whole "Maverick", "Gun-slinger" thing will get us bombed at the nuclear level. I don't need a 73 year old out of touch old war hero getting flashbacks of WWI or the French-Indian war or whatever the hell he was in while at the White House, and make some ridiculous, altzeihmer's-driven decision about invading the Ivory Coast. This to me is far more dangerous than a president who doesn't know how to say "fool me once....", or a president that, well, screwed everything up. Yes, it can get worse. I don't need a president who still thinks the black Ford Model T is still the #1 selling car in America.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: bsmooth on September 30, 2008, 10:02:19 am
What I don't get is why you feel she is unqualified. She was a mayor and a governor. Governors and mayors are held much more accountable for their actions and mistakes. Senators and represenatives are not for the most part, unless they do something really stupid, and even then, they find ways to get around it.. Look at the current crisis. Bill Clinton, George W Bush, and Ronald Reagan were all governors, and they all served 2 terms as president. (Whether or not you think they were good or bad presidents isn't the point, and I'm not going to get into a who was a better president debate.)

So, can you please give me specific reasons why you feel she is unqualified?

All of her real experience comes from running that town. She left that town in the hole finacially, and to top it off the most of the decisions concerning big issues such as public safety, fire, schools, etc, were decided by other entities. The mayor of that town is pretty much a figurehead and does not have to make big decisions.
Her brief time in the governors seat has not been big on accomplishment, and members of her own party have filed for her emails to be made available as they have a concern that she is abusing her authority ala Cheney.
Considering that she is the number 2 option if the oldest and most broken candidate ever is elected to office, her pick leaves a bad taste in your mouth. That is what a lot of people are concerned about, his age, and her lack of real experience, and not innie vs outie, but I would not expect many of the kool aid drinkers on the right to see that, it has to be pure sexism.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: simeon on September 30, 2008, 10:19:49 am
Sarah...can't.....resist....Palin....don't do it...is....the....reason...oh, God I can't help myself...WE INVADED IRAQ!
Ok Maine I'm calling you out on this one. Every red blooded American know's John Beck is the reason why we invaded Iraq.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: bsfins on September 30, 2008, 10:30:32 am
Hey Jtex...Just so you can judge for yourself...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbQwAFobQxQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbQwAFobQxQ)

That's the original one.(with Katie Couric).I guess there is one now,with John Mccain sitting right next to her....To make sure she doesn't say anything wrong...


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 30, 2008, 11:09:27 am
I don't watch CBS for anything other than football, so I didn't see the Couric interview. As for the ABC interview with Gibson, I turned it off because he was asking questions that seemed to be specifically designed to throw her off, while other interviews he does, he asks sugar coated questions designed to make the person (Obama) he interviewed look good. I watched about the first 10 minutes of it. I have seen her speeches, and she looks good. I also saw the Hannity interview with her (Yes, I know thats a more than biased interview)

I'm going to wait until the debates before I rule her compitent or not. She isn't running for president. As for leadership experience, I feel the same way you do about Obama. He was a senator for less than half a year before he started running for president. The presidency does not allow for on the job training. I believe that the VP slot does.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Fau Teixeira on September 30, 2008, 11:20:18 am
She isn't running for president.

that's exactly what she's running for .. you don't become VP so that you will never be president .. you become VP knowing full well that tomorrow you could be the new president


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Sunstroke on September 30, 2008, 11:23:37 am
She isn't running for president...

Every time I hear someone bring this up as support/disclaimer for Palin, I just shake my head. OF COURSE she is running for president. Do you think that if McCain kicks the bucket**, you will be able to say "wait a minute...I didn't vote for Palin for president!" Nope...she'd just become president without us approving jack shit.



(** According to Deathclock, McCain's bucket-kicking ceremony is waaaay overdue)



Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 30, 2008, 11:35:22 am
You don't think that she could learn what she needs while McCain is still alive? Nevermind...of course you don't. It almost seems like some of you are using McCain's age as a bash on Palin. It also seems like you expect him to croak a week after he is sworn in. I've got news for you...Biden could fall down a flight of stairs, and there goes Obama's teacher.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: bsfins on September 30, 2008, 11:58:14 am
I don't watch CBS for anything other than football, so I didn't see the Couric interview. As for the ABC interview with Gibson, I turned it off because he was asking questions that seemed to be specifically designed to throw her off, while other interviews he does, he asks sugar coated questions designed to make the person (Obama) he interviewed look good. I watched about the first 10 minutes of it. I have seen her speeches, and she looks good. I also saw the Hannity interview with her (Yes, I know thats a more than biased interview)

Then How can sit here and Defend against,people that are making fun of her..When you don't know why....I'd call that hypocrtical....You don't need CBS to see the interview...Katie Couric,dumbed down the interview..and Palin Hung her own oneself....

Mccain,and Palin Both are claiming "Gotcha Journalism" ? A voter asked them a question..... ::)
Foreign policy expierence...When a Russian plane flies into Americas air space...IT flies into Alasaka....I thought Ditzy Valley Girl?


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 30, 2008, 12:07:17 pm
Its not hypocrtitcal. I'm basing my opinion on what I've seen and heard. I will complete my opinion on Thursday night.

Hypocritical is people who will trash Palin's family yet scream bloody murder if someone dares to mention Obama's family.

Edited to provide a better example than I had before.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: simeon on September 30, 2008, 12:40:23 pm
Every time I hear someone bring this up as support/disclaimer for Palin, I just shake my head. OF COURSE she is running for president. Do you think that if McCain kicks the bucket**, you will be able to say "wait a minute...I didn't vote for Palin for president!" Nope...she'd just become president without us approving jack shit.



(** According to Deathclock, McCain's bucket-kicking ceremony is waaaay overdue)


Is this wishful thinking that McCain would kick the bucket?McCain is far from being the oldest person to run for President, how old was Ragan ?
 Palin is not running for President, I have never known anyone vote in a Presidential election because they liked the VP choice better than the presidential choice. I like Palin and I believe she is a classy lady, but I am not casting my vote for McCain.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: bsfins on September 30, 2008, 12:45:38 pm
Hmm you CHOSE not to watch all the Charlie Gibson interview,Because you didn't like the questions..She's running for the second highest office in this country....She shouldn't get rattled by any question,it the First interview anyone got...What was he supposed to ask? One interview you even admit it was Palin Biased....

And you don't watch CBS,and Chose not to look for the interview anywhere else...So you claim ignorance,over hypocrisy..That makes lot's of sense... ::)

Regan was 70? when he took office...in 1980 Mccain is 72 now...


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Jim Gray on September 30, 2008, 12:57:18 pm
McCain is far from being the oldest person to run for President, how old was Ragan ?

McCain would be 72 when inaugurated.  Ragan (also known as Reagan) was 69.  Reagan was 77 after serving 8 years.  McCain would be 80 if he served a similar term.  Your statement that McCain is "far from being the oldest" is simply untrue.

You can't just make stuff up and then bitch about people calling you out.  If you don't want to be treated like the villiage idiot, you need to do some research before you post.    


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 30, 2008, 12:59:01 pm
Hmm you CHOSE not to watch all the Charlie Gibson interview,Because you didn't like the questions..She's running for the second highest office in this country....She shouldn't get rattled by any question,it the First interview anyone got...What was he supposed to ask? One interview you even admit it was Palin Biased....

And you don't watch CBS,and Chose not to look for the interview anywhere else...So you claim ignorance,over hypocrisy..That makes lot's of sense... ::)

There's a difference between "How's your family?" (Obama) and "What's your opinion of the Bush doctrine?" (Palin)

It was ridiculous. I admitted that Hannity was a biased interview to avoid a debate about whether or not it was biased. Hannity did ask her some tough questions about the war and the economy, and she did just fine. AND, I have seen several speeches by her.

Here's a comparison of Obama's questions vs Palin's from Gibson...

Obama:
How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?
How does it feel to “win”?
How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?
Who will be your VP?
Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?
Will you accept public finance?
What issues is your campaign about?
Will you visit Iraq?
Will you debate McCain at a town hall?
What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech?


Palin:
Do you have enough qualifications for the job you’re seeking? Specifically have you visited foreign countries and met foreign leaders?
Aren’t you conceited to be seeking this high level job?
Questions about foreign policy
-territorial integrity of Georgia
-allowing Georgia and Ukraine to be members of NATO
-NATO treaty
-Iranian nuclear threat
-what to do if Israel attacks Iran
-Al Qaeda motivations
-the Bush Doctrine
-attacking terrorists harbored by Pakistan
Is America fighting a holy war? [misquoted Palin]

Not to mention ABC edited out parts of the interview to make her look bad.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31245_ABC_News_Hid_Important_Parts_of_Palin_Interview#rss

So, you claim I'm ignorant, and call me a hypocrite just because I don't want to see some liberal bloodhound deliberately trying to make an ass out of her? Sounds pretty ignorant of you.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Buddhagirl on September 30, 2008, 01:03:28 pm
Is this wishful thinking that McCain would kick the bucket?McCain is far from being the oldest person to run for President, how old was Ragan ?
 Palin is not running for President, I have never known anyone vote in a Presidential election because they liked the VP choice better than the presidential choice. I like Palin and I believe she is a classy lady, but I am not casting my vote for McCain.

Is this a freaking joke? McCain is the oldest candidte. Do you just sit and make this stuff up?
Since you're so happy to vote for a third party, then why are you defending her?


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: simeon on September 30, 2008, 01:10:44 pm
Is this a freaking joke? McCain is the oldest candidte. Do you just sit and make this stuff up?
Since you're so happy to vote for a third party, then why are you defending her?
If I made things up I would be a democrat. Here Buddhagirl you can quote me,"I like Palin, I believe she is a classy lady.
But when I vote for president, I don't base my vote on the VP choice.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: bsfins on September 30, 2008, 01:14:13 pm
Really Frimp? Hmm No one Knows who the Fuck Palin is? These are things people want to know.....

 Why would they ask Biden and Obama these things...They know the Answers....They've been in the Spotlight....They're not Hiding....

Sorry I'm not into Seeking out obscure  Political B.S. Websites,that come up with mysterious transcripts..and post them on the internet.... from freelance Writers,and there credits equal some othe blog.....::) Sorry, I'm sure they're life the National Enquirer,they check,and recheck..then check the facts again.... ::)

Word to the wise..Don't believe everything read on the internet....


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 30, 2008, 01:20:20 pm
^^^

How do I know that Obama can answer those questions? I don't. Because candy asses like Charlie Gibson won't ask them.

And, the Enquirer has been validated for dirt on Palin, and its good enough for some people.  ;)


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Buddhagirl on September 30, 2008, 01:25:19 pm
If I made things up I would be a democrat. Here Buddhagirl you can quote me,"I like Palin, I believe she is a classy lady.
But when I vote for president, I don't base my vote on the VP choice.

Whoa. That's not even what I was referring to. I was referring to your statement about Ragan [sic]. Your stream of logic is astounding.

^^^

How do I know that Obama can answer those questions? I don't. Because candy asses like Charlie Gibson won't ask them.

And, the Enquirer has been validated for dirt on Palin, and its good enough for some people.  ;)

Uhm...Those questions have been asked of Obama. For the past year. We were just being introduced to Palin and needed to know those things.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: pintofguinness14 on September 30, 2008, 01:41:22 pm
^^^

How do I know that Obama can answer those questions? I don't. Because candy asses like Charlie Gibson won't ask them.

And, the Enquirer has been validated for dirt on Palin, and its good enough for some people.  ;)


I have to agree with Buddha here. Obama, McCain, and Biden have all been asked these questions. In fact, they've all made speeches about them or other major policy issues while in the Senate. They're already on record and we know what they think. Palin, on the other hand, has demonstrated experience killing moose. We need to ask her tough questions.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Frimp on September 30, 2008, 01:42:26 pm
We'll see on Thursday.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: pintofguinness14 on September 30, 2008, 01:43:47 pm
We'll see on Thursday.

you're right. I hope she does great. That will make the election much more interesting.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: fyo on September 30, 2008, 02:06:53 pm
Hypocritical is people who will trash Palin's family yet scream bloody murder if someone dares to mention Obama's family.

I couldn't give a hoot about her family. She just scares the crap out of me. I quite like McCain, but Palin... yikes.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Tepop84 on October 01, 2008, 02:08:25 pm
Wow, she is incredibly stupid. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4487886n

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/30/politics/horserace/entry4490368.shtml

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKzNGtp9ecQ



Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Guru-In-Vegas on October 01, 2008, 03:46:32 pm
LMAO that last one is great!

The second to last one is just pathetic.  I felt embarrassed for her!


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: fyo on October 01, 2008, 06:20:41 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvVbGEQgx6o

(SNL)


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: bsmooth on October 01, 2008, 06:39:47 pm
Is this wishful thinking that McCain would kick the bucket?McCain is far from being the oldest person to run for President, how old was Ragan ?
 Palin is not running for President, I have never known anyone vote in a Presidential election because they liked the VP choice better than the presidential choice. I like Palin and I believe she is a classy lady, but I am not casting my vote for McCain.

The amount of stress that president are under ages them significantly in office, so it is a major concern that he may not be able to finish his term for a myriad of reasons besides death and she would assume the mantle. The odds are much higher for her than Biden becoming president.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Pats2006 on October 01, 2008, 10:33:52 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvVbGEQgx6o

(SNL)

Seen this looks just like here.  They did a good job.  Shes a MILF.

I think she will step down. I think it will help McCain if it happens soon.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: ethurst2 on October 01, 2008, 11:53:28 pm
This whole election is comical.

On one side, you have a guy (Obama) talking about change when he won't be able to change things at all. He's got a senile handler in Joe Biden. People are accepting this "change" speech like he's the Second Coming of Jesus. He reminds me of a pimp back from the hood (Goldie in the movie "The Mack").

Then on the other side, you've got John McCain, which it appears that people really don't pay attention to and he seems out of touch with a lot of things. He does have a Playboy looking wife that's eye candy.

Then he gets Sarah Palin which I thought was a maverick choice. I did see her Couric interview and I have to admit...she should have waited after the debate to have the interview or prepared for the interview.

The interview could have been UNSCRIPTED. It's been know throughout the years that candidates only will answer SCRIPTED questions from their party or headquarters. She could have been honest and sincere and wanted to do things off the top of her head but it didn't come off right.

Whoever gets elected will not be able to change anything. I think that an individual should invoke change first. I'm not looking for Obama to save me and put more money in my pocket or cut my taxes because he's not going to do it. I can't look for McCain to pull the troops out of Iraq because there are American business interests in the region.

It's up to "We The People" to sit back and really think about this system that we've allow to happen because of our mindset. People are looking toward government for the ultimate solution and they don't have it. It's the people that set the course for government, not the other way around.

The press is trying SO HARD to write Obama in as President.  The media already has their agenda and he looks like a Hollywood production. Now, I'm a black guy and I wouldn't vote for him because he reminds me of one of the street hustlers back in Liberty City. I don't see anything of any substance coming from Obama at all.

McCain wants to keep our foreign interests at hand which means more intervention overseas in places we really shouldn't be but it's to please investors so that they can screw us and make more money. He reminds me of the guy that comes into the hood to collect your insurance payments with an armed Guard.

If Palin steps down, you can REALLY write Obama in for office. I don't think that we have the best candidate for the office of President on either ticket. What you have is a scripted play that the American conscious wants to see.

Like I stated, this whole thing is comical. A lot of you are talking about Palin being unprepared but I can attest to the fact that Hillary Clinton doesn't know anything at all. She always traveled on the coattails of her husband. What if Obama would have picked her? She would have faked her way through the interview.

Power to the people!


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Dphins4me on October 02, 2008, 12:00:42 am
Personally, I think both of them are idiots. 

Personally I think we are all idiots.  We continue to allow a small group of people to control us & screw us, but yet here we are every 4 Yrs electing another member of that small group & thinking things will change.

We have more power than they do.  However we continue to not exercise that power as a group.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: run_to_win on October 02, 2008, 02:26:55 am
I think that Palin is completely unqualified (not just with experience, but also with intelligence and knowledge).


I think that Palin is a step backwards for women.

She's so ridiculously unqualified and quite-frankly, an irresponsible and dangerous choice, that it's a slap in the face of the many women that were actually qualified based on their intelligence, platform and credentials.  It's going to make the next step for a woman who actually deserves it that much more difficult.
What does this say about people who nominated a junior Senator with 143 days of pre-campaign experience in national government?

Why can't "we" be as excited to elect a ground-breaking but unqualified Vice President as the other side is to elect a ground-breaking but unqualifed President? 

The double standard doesn't make sense. 


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Tepop84 on October 02, 2008, 10:55:43 am
Is this Palin's daughter?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: ethurst2 on October 02, 2008, 11:15:21 am
What does this say about people who nominated a junior Senator with 143 days of pre-campaign experience in national government?

Why can't "we" be as excited to elect a ground-breaking but unqualified Vice President as the other side is to elect a ground-breaking but unqualifed President? 

The double standard doesn't make sense. 

I agree with you run_to_win.

Who says that we must always take the "traditional" route to find a presidential candidate? I guarantee you that there is a mayor somewhere that can make the leap to the Presidents office and probably do more than any other President has in the last 50 years. The problem for that kind of person is lack of money and being shunned by people in the beltway.

But this country wants the "traditional" candidate, from the "traditional" network. Even though Obama gets rapped for being a community developer, he's still picked by the good old boy system.

I can't say that about Palin. It's evident by Miss Teen America that Alaska is not a part of the United States because people don't have maps and maybe it's a part of South Africa but here's the thing. I'd rather see someone stumble, get back up and get it right instead of always having the polish on. It looks fake. I think an inexperienced person has to use more intuition, common sense and wisdom than some of these hacks in Washington.

What's wrong with a soccer or football mom being V.P. regardless of party affiliation?

And who told Hollywood what to make us think? Matt Damon SUCKS!


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: fyo on October 02, 2008, 11:57:29 am
Is this Palin's daughter?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

That's a cheap shot.

But the video is scary funny.

(Only when Palin talks like that, the "funny" part is killed by the risk of her becoming President).


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Phishfan on October 02, 2008, 12:37:59 pm
Even though Obama gets rapped for being a community developer, he's still picked by the good old boy system.

I can't say that about Palin.

Let's not kid ourselves. Anyone in this position has been given the OK by some DC insider.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Defense54 on October 02, 2008, 01:42:13 pm
I hope Palin sticks around.........even if she doesn't get the job, she sure is wayyyyyyy better to look at then most politicans. She definitely needs to step up the game though. Tonight should prove entertaining.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Pats2006 on October 02, 2008, 09:06:50 pm
She's on tonight.  What a joke!


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: ethurst2 on October 03, 2008, 05:49:00 pm
Let's not kid ourselves. Anyone in this position has been given the OK by some DC insider.

I agree Phish...that's the whole key and people are too dumb to realize it.

It's only one party and that's the "Green" Party.

If Obama gets elected, things are REALLY going to go South because he is a proponent of Marxism, which is the next step in finally conquering people who don't critically think. The illusion is that he's progressive and African-American.  Obama basically becomes the ultimate "plantation" master for all people but it's their fault because they are looking to this "character" for hope instead of being creative themselves.

No way McCain gets in because when you say republican, to the average person, that means war.

This whole system of "deception" needs to be done away with and I fault the American people for being so gullible and so lazy regardless of what party affiliation that they have.

The only way to deal with this is for a person to create an alternate form of living and get from under those damning influences as much as possible.

Power to the People!!


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Bubba on October 04, 2008, 01:51:07 am
because he is a proponent of Marxism,

Really?  Do you mean Marx brothers?  Surely you don't mean Karl Marx




Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Sunstroke on October 04, 2008, 01:55:40 am
If Obama gets elected, things are REALLY going to go South because he is a proponent of Marxism, which is the next step in finally conquering people who don't critically think. The illusion is that he's progressive and African-American.  Obama basically becomes the ultimate "plantation" master for all people but it's their fault because they are looking to this "character" for hope instead of being creative themselves.

Wow, just wow...

Are there two ethursts on this board now? Can we get the other one back? ;)

Marxist plantation master... wow



Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Dphins4me on October 04, 2008, 12:54:58 pm

Why can't "we" be as excited to elect a ground-breaking but unqualified Vice President as the other side is to elect a ground-breaking but unqualified President? 

The double standard doesn't make sense. 
Nope, only the Dems are allowed to elect unqualified people.  Thought you knew that.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: MaineDolFan on October 04, 2008, 01:08:19 pm
Wow, just wow...

Are there two ethursts on this board now? Can we get the other one back? ;)

Marxist plantation master... wow



I was thinking the same thing.  If I didn't know any better someone hacked his computer and made that post.


Title: Re: If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?
Post by: Tepop84 on October 04, 2008, 03:13:49 pm
(http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/03/palinflow.jpg)