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Thank you for drafting the Ginn family, Cam, you big jerk.  That 1st Round Draft Pick has really paid dividends for the Fins.  Ginn should change his name to Houdini.  Every Sunday he pulls off an amazing disappearing act.  Yet another name to add to the long list of disappointing draft picks that make us Dolphins fans cry. 

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In regards to Ginn, it's good to see another person who can see Ginn for what he really is..... someone who had no business going in round 1.

Is it HIS fault he was reached for?

There's no doubt in my mind that we reached for Ginn, but jeez people, why do you hate HIM for it?

Hate on Cam for doing it, not Ginn.

I've hated on Cam,  but he's gone.  Now we're stuck with this bum because of his high contract.

I don't have access to the numbers but I'd bet Ernest Wilford has a higher salary thank Ginn.

E.Wilford...
  2/29/2008: Signed a four-year, $13 million contract. The deal included a $6 million signing bonus. Another $1 million is available through escalators. 2008: $1 million, 2009: $1.5 million, 2010: $2 million, 2011: $2.5 million, 2012: Free Agent

T.Ginn
7/27/2007: Signed a five-year, $19.6 million contract. The deal includes $14 million in guarantees. 2008: $370,000, 2009: $677,917, 2010: $1,035,833, 2011: $1,393,750, 2012: $1,801,667 (Voidable Year), 2013: Free Agent

Stats From rotoworld.com....

You're right about the higher salary, Brian, but $14 million in guarantees?  We can't let him go at this point. 

But one is atleast on the field stretching the defense,making the defense respect his speed.....The other isn't even on the field....

Wilford 1 catch 15 yards 1 first down....Ginn 16 catches 129 yards 7 First downs...

Neither are good.....but one has some sort of upside..the other not so much IMO...

Whichever coach brought in Wilford needs to get his WALKING PAPERS! ;)

I DON'T WANT TO LET HIM GO!

I can't understand why you would either.

Actually, scratch that - you want coaches fired after one year of bad performance.  Makes sense...

Next year, when Ginn is lighting up scoreboards, we'll see what you have to say

I'm gonna gravedig this thread when Ginn is on the unemployment line.

Ginn is the #2 WR on this team.  Pennington has not been throwing to WR's not named Camarillo.  wanna know why?  Camarillo always runs the short route.  Ginn runs the deep route.

Camarillo, thru 5 games, leads all WR's with 21 catches for 263 yards.  That's 4 a game for 50 yards.  Stellar.

I wish, just once, you would be objective with an open mind and not just look for reasons to hate.  You can't hate a guy because he's NOT making good plays.  You CAN hate him for making BAD plays, and Ginn is not that guy.

  We Dol-fans should expect a skill position guy (WR) who was picked #9 (last year) in the 1st round to produce more then 16 catches for 129 yards 0 TD  in 5 games.....that is a joke for a guy picked that high....it is our right to call him out  if we so please, for his PATHETIC play on the football field.

  Ginn was not even the number 1 or 2 WR on his Ohio State teams in college!! ;)

  The difference between Wilford and Ginn is Ginn cost Miami a TOP 10 PICK
  
  Wilford was a bad free agent signing, but cost nothing but $$$$.

Holy shit. $14 million guaranteed!?  That's like 1.5 Million a catch so far. What a POS.  :P

How long do you think it would it take someone, working full 40 hours weeks, to gravedig all your errant posts?

I didn't know that Ginn actually ran routes.  I thought he only tried but failed to get off the LOS.

If Chad Henne was in, Ginn would be getting the ball more.  Penny cant throw the deep ball that why Ginn is M.I.A.   In order for any receiver to do something with penny Miami need to run dat bullshit West coast crap.

Thats actually a really good point. But he could go over the middle just once a game if he wasn't such a pussie.

I understand what you guys are saying - i really do.  I wish the guy would produce more. 

BUT - you can't hate him for it.  He can't throw himself the ball.  He can only run his route.  You all say "he runs bad routes and can't get open," but you don't know that.  You ASSUME that based on the fact that he's not getting the ball.

And, if he goes in the huddle and says "Just give me the damn ball," you will all say he's a cancer.

You can't keep hating on Ginn because of where he was picked.  He didn't ask to be picked that high.  If the Dolphins had a pick around #20, they would have taken him there, then would you still hate him? 

All I'm saying is that you guys are all hating on the guy for stuff that he has no control over, and you're all still having wet dreams about Brady Quinn and what could have been, and that's wrong.  Its been 2 years.  Show the guy some support on the field  He will improve.  He's going to be here for the next 3 years, and this forum is going to be miserable if your crew keeps this up for the next three years.

I dont hate on Ginn, I think he actually one of the good receivers on the squad. He has great hands and speed.  I do want him to get the ball more but  Camarillo  and Fasano are stealing the light from him due to Penny's  inability to  throw no more than 10+ yrds lol.  To be honest , I am disappointed with Miami's receiving corps. 

I'll man up to some of that. (The Brady Quinn thing will take a while to pass).  But I disagree when you say its not up to him.  He doesn't get the damn ball becuase no one wants to throw it to him. Are you saying Penny is holding back for another reason other then he doesn't trust the guy with a pass? He doesn't do punt returns anymore either becuase he couldn't do that either.........and he has the damn ball everytime!

 

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I don't know about the punt returns...... I guess Parcells and Co want Bess as the main return guy for some reason. 

Becuase they would like decent field posistion. Ginn is on his knee more then a Crack whore with the navy in town.

BECAUSE NO TEAM IN THE NFL HAS THEIR #1 WR returning PUNTS!

Ginn is not a #1 wide receiver nor will he ever be. 

Just being the most expensive reciever on the team does not make him our #1 reciever on the Team.  ;)

 

Camarillo is Miami's #1 WR ;)

  Ginn will NEVER, NEVER be a # 1 WR in the NFL....period

It's generally accepted that a WR needs two seasons of learning before breaking onto the scene in his third, i suspect that is lengthened by having the talentless team we had last season and Penningtons arm this season.

You can't hate on a guy who doesn't catch a ball he isn't thrown, I don't see you calling out Chad Henne for his lack of production.  Hell, Ginn isn't catching the balls Henne isn't throwing to him....CUT THEM BOTH!!!!

If Ginn was dropping passes I could understand the hate, or talking himself up.....but he's not, he's just making the best of what he's given.

For all I know, Ginn may suck.

The problem is, there's no way I can know by watching games on the TV, 'cause they're not showing receivers downfield. I'd love to see how the receivers are running routes and what the cornerbacks and safeties are doing, but the cameras are so focused on showing the quarterback drop back that we very, very rarely see anything else.

Maybe if I could go to some of the games, I would be able to get a better impression, but from watching the games on TV, there's just no way I can reasonably make ANY assumptions about ANY receiver running a deep route (and not getting the ball). And, honestly, I just don't get how "you guys" can know these things. It seems to me like you're just pulling shit out of your ass. Most of the time, we don't even see the receiver on the snap and the zoom and pan on the quarterback is so fast, any jamming of the receivers at the line of scrimmage is something you see in replays from different angles (if you're lucky).

^^ Do you think Ginn is a pussy???  He always ducks out of bounds to avoid taking a hit instead of fighting for YAC.

HE DID IT ONCE!

You're trying to perpetuate a perception to promote your own agenda.  ONE TIME.  MAYBE TWICE.  That's "Always" in your book, I guess.

Just to clarify....


by my count he's done it on two separate occasions...I would only call him a pussy for one of them...he was only trying to gain more yards on the other, even though we needed to run out the clock...it was the SD game...but no harm no foul there

I do have to agree that if Henne was in there, Ginn might be getting more catches...I also have to agree that teams still have to respect his speed causing a distraction, not to mention all the crazy stuff the phins have done with the Wildcat making him (or anyone on our team...Cobbs?) a viable threat at anytime...i do not want him off of this team...I do want him returning kicks again...no one is scared of Bess on returns

He was a reach for where the phins drafted him, and trust me, I was screaming at my T.V. as much as the rest of you when MIA didn't take Quinn...but guess what...Quinn is a bum too and he plays for another team so fuck him...Ginn is on this team and eventually, his attributes will be properly utilized.  I hate Cam for this one, not Ginn.

You do realize your taking about a guy that last year had 1 punt return TD and 2 that were called back due to penalties. How many Punt return TD's has Bess gotten?

The question is, why did Parcells and Co. relegate the return duties to Bess?

The long and short on Ginn is his speed is negated in the NFL because he doesn't go full tilt.  He just ran by the opposition when playing at Ohio State but now he's running scared.  He's listed as 5'-11" and 180 pounds on NFL.com and I think we can all agree he's not a physical player.  He doesn't break tackles and does have a tendency to avoid contact.  Sad but true, he looks for the sideline and it was more than a few times last year.  Granted, that was his rookie year but coaches saw little change in his demeanor which is the issue in my opinion.  Bess is returning kicks because he heads upfield with the ball. 

The upside on Ginn is he's still in the learning curve.  I saw a little grit a few games ago on a catch once he finally got into the game (2nd half) so he was playing pissed...probably the first game he was benched for Camarillo.  It was a short route and he finally showed a little something.  He doesn't seem to get good separation on longer routes (last year) so who is at QB isn't that much of an issue.  He made a nice play last year on a drag once he had cleared the LB's and was in the open field.  He's a great decoy and should get at least two nine routes a game to open up the offense and should get a shot again running a reverse from the Wildcat.

The downside is he's not physical enough.  Don't look for him to be running slants or maybe even posts.  Anyone see how he got screened off by the DB on the last play (INT) of the Jets game?  Last week he had the quick-pass at the line of scrimmage for a minimal (if not negative) gain.  Camarillo gained around four on the same play.  Bottom line is he's gotta produce at some point and the clock is ticking.   

Thats only becuase he was open only twice. Had he actually got open and cuaght the ball it would have been several more times. Enough where his dad got on him as well as the team and the coaches anyway............So my agenda is also the same as Coach Spranos obviously.

he had seven catches in that game alone.

But he's only gotten open twice all season?

I seem to remember a -1 yardage  game as well. 

I remember that one very well