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Not getting it done this year.  I know everybody was singing his praises after the NE game, but he just isn't good this year.  He has rushed from the wildcat formation 21 times for 156 yards.  In normal formations he has rushed 77 times for 250 yards, (3.25ypc).  That is just not very good.  It takes a gimmick formation for him to be able to get a decent ypc average, and that really only worked real well one week.

I don't think that's a fair criticism.  He's not getting blocking from the traditional formation.  Also, the Wildcat is not a gimmick.  How many times must you run a play for it not to be a gimmick anymore.  We run it well over 20 times this year.  It's just a formation in the playbook at this point.  But it's a formation that plays to Ronnie's strength.

We aren't able to move the ball up the middle, so we're seeking the outside, and that results in a lot of no gains and negative plays.  It's the way our line is blocking.

It was a gimmick the first time we used it against NE where he ran it 4 times for 84 yards.  Take that game away and his rushing from the wildcat has resulted in 17 carries for 72 yards (4.23ypc). Not exactly great numbers. 

 ::) yeah and Ricky is really tearing it up,Ohh wait he's already got 4 fumbles this year... ;) Ricky's got 71 attempts 267 yards (3.8 avg) 2 Td's and 4 fumbles........

Ronnie is coming off of major knee injury...Stepped in game one of the season...
Is also playing behind a young O-line....Sometimes the blocking is there..other times it's what ever Ronnie makes on his own....

Teams are also stacking the box to stop the run..Chad's,and our Wr's haven't  been a threat with the deep ball...

21 times for 156 yards.

That's more than 7 yards per carry.

He is the best offensive weapon on a rebuilding team, what exactely do you think he is supposed to accomplish when he is the number one target of the defense every week.

I wish I had nothing better to do than bitch about our best offensive weapon this season.

Best offensive weapon?  You seriously think he is more valuable than Pennington this year.  You have to be fucking retarded.  I wish people would stop blowing him when he has been below average for all but 1 week when he gained 84 yards on 4 carries from a formation that the defense had never seen. 

You are confusing terminology which is easy to do. Pennington may indeed be more valuable because of his game management, but that does not equate to being a weapon. I hope you see the difference in that.

The guy is coming off of major knee surgery and is still playing at a pretty high level...Comparing him to Penny isn't really fair, it's comparing apples to oranges....right now he is our best RB and when the blocking comes together he will be our best asset...why the Ronnie Brown haters?

and before last game, his 7 TD was t-2nd in the league

Ahhh Helloooooooooo.  Not Ronnies fault that he is not putting up Clinton Portis numbers. Miami still has a very young o-line.  He's no Barry Sanders

This is simple. Last few games, Ronnie Brown hasn't gotten enough carries. The offensive line's blocking from conventional sets hasn't been anything to write home about.

Brown is effective when he goes over 20 carries. Plus, Sparano has a problem that most coaches would love to have. You've got Ricky Williams that he has to share carries with plus the emergence of a third down back in Patrick Cobbs. How do you distribute those minutes or carries evenly?

Brown was drafted because Saban thought that the Dolphins needed a Michael Westbrook type of back. Brown reminds me of Westbrook with a lot more power.

One of the keys is that Samson Satele is getting overpowered at the point of attack. He's not the kind of center that Parcells likes so look for Miami to get a Center who can move people out of the way with power. They may just draft one. The best linemen that Miami have are Jake Long and Justin Smiley so that says a lot about the rest of those guys including Vernon Carey.

Who's retarded? No one in the league fears Pennington and his arm. Brown is offers us the most potential as an offensive weapon if utilized more. I guarantee defenses worry about him more, especially in the wildcat formation, than they do Chad.

Hate to say it, but if they didn't fear Pennington there would have been much more blitzing against our young o-line at this point.  They don't fear a strong arm, but they fear his quick and reliable decision making.  I am not calling you a retard, but perhaps you are having a "moment".

Think you might mean Brian Westbrook there... Michael Westbrook was a WR for the 'Skins a little while back.

I don't have any problem with Ronnie Brown at all. I watch a helluva lot of football, much to the detriment of most of my other social life, and I see Ronnie fighting through first tacklers as consistently and as aggressively as any RB in the game. Ronnie has all the skill and all the heart he needs to be a top-5 RB in the NFL, imo, but he needs more consistent play from his O-line, and he needs to have WR weapons on the outside that can scare teams out of stuffing the box on him almost every play.

i really wish Tepop84 was in charge of the Dolphins.  Maybe we will be lucky and he will get cut before the November 23.  Seriously, cut him.  The sooner the better, but absolutely before 11/23.   

Too damned funny...and the Patsies aren't getting Ronnie. ;)

Wasn't necessarily saying he the Patriots were going to get him.  Although we could use him, no way he would make it thru the waivers long enough for us to pick him up.  I just don't want him in a Dolphins uniform for the second match up. 

Thanks for the correction...I meant Brian not Michael. I've got to stop playing that damn gangsta rap while posting.

Not really going to matter against the Patriots run defense.  Ricky had close to 100 yards rushing and didn't benefit from the Wildcat like Ronnie did.  Obviously it would be stupid to cut him, but it is equally as stupid to call him the team mvp when he isn't that good. 

He might not be team MVP, but he is very good.

Agreed.  Ronnie Brown is a very good back.  Unfortunately, being drafted #2 overall, everyone expected him to be a great back.  He was well on his way there last season until that knee injury. 

Both him and Cadillac Williams spilt time at Auburn so much that they never knew what it was like to carry a full load.  Now they're both proving to be injury prone. 

Hey Tommy,

Don't you think that if Ricky Williams wasn't with the team that Ronnie would really be tearing it up? The problem that I see is that Sparano is trying to find ways to get the max out of Ricky and Ronnie. Ricky's got a delicate psyche and wants carries too.

  If you go back and look at the Top 10 picks in that 2005 class, probably the only two that have lived up to their status has been Ronnie, and Braylon Edwards in Cleveland.  While Ronnie may not have been a number two overall pick in other draft classes, he's certainly been the best of what looks like a very weak draft class.  Ronnie has been a good player for the Dolphins, and sometimes it seems he's underappreciated.  For a guy that's a year removed from tearing his ACL, he's having a pretty good year.

^ Agreed 100%.


My buddy is a hardcore Eagles fan (and probably the only cool one I've ever met) and I always mix the two up when talking to him.

Besides Brian Westbrook, I still say that Ronnie Brown is the most complete back in the NFL.  Tomlinson has almost 9 years of wear and tear on his body so he's starting to hit the decline and plus, he doesn't have his fullback Lorenzo Neal who the Chargers thought was expendable.

Put Ronnie in the following offenses full time and I guarantee you the records would be different

New England
Dallas
Seattle
Denver
Houston

The Dolphins were three plays away from being a modest 5-2. Not a strong 5-2 but a modest 5 and 2. In three of the four losses, the Dolphins went away from Brown.

As far as Dolphin running backs, I've seen Csonka, Kiick, Morris, Tony Nathan and all others but the Dolphins have never had a running back with ALL the tools like Ronnie Brown. Ricky doesn't have the pass catching skills going down the field catching the ball like Brown does.

If I can think of one past Dolphins back that's in Browns' situation it would have to be Mercury Morris. People talk *&^& about Morris but he's in an exclusive club along with Barry Sanders, Jim Brown and I think Eric Dickerson as being the only backs to average over 5.0 yards a carry every time they touched the ball But Morris also had to share time with Kiick and Csonka. Once Kiick and Csonka left in 75, Morris easily went over 1,000 yards and that was playing with a broken neck all year.

Ronnie Brown with another super solid game.  20 carries for 59 yards against the worst run D in the nfl.   RONNIE BROWN FOR MVP.   Top 3 back in the NFL IMO. 

Any RB is only as good as his O Line.  Ronnie Is a damn fine back. You need to get a grip.

He is trolling his own team. He is all over a guy coming off an ACL repair, during a rebuilding season, one year removed from being the top rb in the league yards wise before the injury, yet he is garbage.

  Excuse me?  But can you tell me who ran it into the endzone for a TD the other day when the team needed a score to close out the game?

And again, I must point out, he is 2nd in the league in rushing TD's....STOP BEING A BUNCH OF HATERS!!!

^^

only one hater here, Tenshot

lol, rushing tds doesn't mean shit.  Ronnie doesn't help the team move the chains, he just gets the ball at the goalline a lot.

I bet Tepop actually cusses the TV when Ronnie scores.  >:D

Are you serious?  Rushing TD's don't mean shit?  Did they mean shit when Jerome Bettis did it during the Steelers superbowl run?  Having a big, bruising back to punch it in when we need it is invaluable....No rushing TD's = field goals which = losses...he's not having the year he had last year, but come on....don't diminish his accomplishments, especially when it helps the team win.

I think Tepop's local TV netowrk is showing old Phins game in place of current games. My theory is that they are showing the games from when we had JB Brown (a defensive player.) So, naturally, he isn't getting the ball as much as Ronnie Brown. I can honestly see how he might get this opinion of Ronnie Brown when he is actually watching JB Brown.

Its ok, Tepop...I'm sure that if you went to a sports bar with NFL ticket, you could see the current games. (JB Brown was a badass though.)

Tepop didn't like Ronnie?  All this time I just thought he hated the team from Cleveland. 

Ronnie keeps falling in DYAR, down to 13th.

WTF is DYAR?

http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb

Until Miami starts hitting receivers deep, Brown will have trouble running for huge chunks of yardage.  Still, considering he's coming off a knee injury and the standard comment is it takes 2 years to bounce back from knee injuries, I'd say he's doing quite well, considering his "DYAR" is higher than very many fully healthy backs, including that rushing god, Adrian Peterson.

Ronnie's just fine.  And without him, Miami is 2-6, easy, if not worse.

They would likely have the same record.  If Ronnie doesn't improve the second half of the year, I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded in the off season. He is getting paid like a superstar and only producing average stats.

^ you seem to be alone in that thinking

Thats not true.  I agree with Tepop, Miami should trade Brown to the Patriots.

Ronnie's here to stay, at least while he's still on his rookie contract.  There's a reason Miami's pushing the pass lately and throwing deep.  It's to stop the 8 in the box fronts they're seeing.  Once that safety starts taking 5 steps back instead of forward, Ronnie will be fine.  I'd bank on it.

I can not believe you're using some made-up stat to prove Ronnie Brown sucks.  Defensive Yards above replacement?

Last I checked, Ronnie's Replacement is Ricky Williams.  Who wants to know why his "DYAR" is low.

Come back when you can use something real like yards per carry, or rushing td's per game to support your increasingly weak argument.

This has to be some sort of level.

DYAR isn't some "made up" stat...it is actually one of the better ones to look at for this sort of player valuing.

That said, stats never tell the whole story...even stats with good reputations.

Ronnie Brown is a very talented RB, one who can do anything you ask of a RB, run between the tackles, run to the edge, catch the ball, pass block...everything. As our young O-line develops and executes more cohesively as a unit, I believe Ronnie's value will become more apparent, and our running game will become more successful.

I still think Tepop is watching old footage of JB Brown.  ;D

You cannot separate a running back statistic from the line he runs behind. It doesn't matter if you use ypc, touchdowns per game, overall yards or DYAR (which looks at the "value" of each individual run and adjusts for the defense).

I took a closer look at a good number of running plays from this weekends game and I was surprised at how poorly our line did. There was not a single running play that I looked closely at where at least one guy didn't make a BIG mistake. Even the runs that were succesful had someone clearly screwing up. Maybe I'll draw up some of the plays along with comments if I get the time.

That said, I think Ronnie's been "dancing" a bit too much recently. I started noticing this 3-4 games ago and it hasn't gotten better.

Overall, however, the problems with our running game is NOT R&R.

Another great game from Ronnie today  10 carries for 39 yards.  MVP MVP MVP!!!

And scored a key TD late in the game.  Ricky got the bulk of the carries today.  Quit harping on Ronnie. 

  Shut up, tool.  Once again, when the team needed a TD in the 4th quarter who got the ball?  It was Ronnie Brown.  That puts him at 9 TD's for the season, as well.

Why wouldn't he get the majority of carries.  would you rather have 8 yards a carry or 4.  seems pretty simple to me. 

Look, Ronnie is not going to end up the Hall of Fame, and he's not going to be considered in the class of  Walter Payton or Emmitt Smith  when his career is over. But Ronnie Brown is a good player who helps the team win and does positive things for the Dolphins. That's good enough for me.

lol tds are such an overrated stat.  He doesn't move the team into the redzone, but he does benefit from a lot of redzone carries.

^ and how many teams...including the phins last year...don't get TD's in the redzone?  And would I rather have 8ypc or 4ypc?  Tell you what, I'll take both.

  I can't believe what I just read.  Here, this is for you.  TD's an overrated stat?  That's hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q71EeHZULBw

big huge WORD

With all the anti-Ronnie Brown posts, I'm beginning to think Tepop is related to SpongeBob. 

 ;D ;D

no im not.  I just don't like how miami fans greatly overrate him.  He is a decent running back, but nothing special. 

Decent runningback? Someone has hacked Tepop's account!  ;D

  I think you might be right, I'm just waiting for him to slip up and say: "Runny Brown."

Then he'll be banned again.   ;)

Any Every stat used by itself to compare players is overrated.

Tim Hightower has more rushing TDs than LaDainian Tomlinson and Reggie Bush combined.

Only one stat is worth anything in and of itself and that's the number in the W column.

That's a team stat and not an individual stat though.

If his receivers hadn't dropped 5 or more passes then Seneca Wallace probably would have put one in the W column for Seattle last week.

Dan Marino threw for 400 yards and 5 TDs ... and lost. 

Barry Sanders was 74-86, and dismal 1-5 in the playoffs.

^ Don't forget about Ricky's (I think it was something like 250 yds and 3 TDs?) game against Buffalo in the snow...they lost that too.

Tbob's anti Ronnie post are even more aggrivating than the 'walking papers' posts last year.

And after seeing Ronnie go over 100 yards today, the silence from Tepop is deafening. 

  What's a matter Tepop?  Nothing negative or hateful this week?  I figured you might rail on him for not scoring a TD, but I just remembered that you think TD's are "overrated" so there goes that theory.

HA!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

He had 101 yards and a fumble, not exactly a great game for a #1 RB.

You're right. Lets give him his walking papers right now. Fire Ricky too. He's old. Lets give 100% of the runs to Cobbs, and next year, draft 3 runningbacks with picks that could be used for defensive backs and receivers.

Good plan, Tepop.  ::) ::) ::)

How are those recent slew of other number ones doing for their teams? How about those highly touted qb's?

  Actually, look at some of the most recent #2 overall picks and you will really gain a better appreciation for Ronnie Brown.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/alltimeno2

  Reality is, if you don't like Ronnie Brown....  then you're a Communist.  Please rise (or not) while Tepop's anthem is being played.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91kdwxFsthI

LMFAO!!!!!  I just spit Bud Light all over my monitor!!!!!

Well, Ronnie will probably end up in the middle of this group. He's not going to rank with the likes of Marshall Faulk, Lawrence Taylor, Merlin Olsen, or Eric Dickerson.

On the other hand, he's doing better than Ryan Leaf, Rick Mirer, Quentin Coryatt, Tony Mandarich, Lam Jones, and Charles Rogers. And he'll have a better career than the dolphins other #2 pick, the immortal Rick Norton.

LOL...My wife looked at me funny because I was laughing so hard.

<hijack...right under that link is a translated one to English. Its pretty shocking and amusing at the same time. United and free? Puleeeze! end hijack>

Does tepop not understand how team sports work?

  No.

Funny how Tepop doesn't think Ronnie is all that great, yet he's one of the league leaders in rushing TD's and leading the Pro Bowl voting for AFC RB's.

Which tells you all you need to know about his opinion of Ronnie.  ;D

Rushing tds lol. pro bowl popularity contest, lol.  Why he is leading the league in rushing tds - Ricky 102 carries, Ronnie 144 carries. Ronnie is getting 58% of all carries.  BUT.  Red zone carries, Ricky 5 carries, Ronnie 26 carries. Ronnie is getting 83% of red zone carries.  Basically the coaching staff is just padding Ronnie's td numbers, probably so they can trade him in the off season.

  More hate and useless drivel.  What's a matter, Comrade?  Were you unable to capture moose and squirrel today?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91kdwxFsthI

I'm telling you.  The more Tepop bashes Ronnie Brown, the more I think he is SpongeBob.  

erase the hate man

  Are the coaches REALLY padding his stats or does it have more to with the fact that the coaches trust him to put it in the endzone when the team needs a score?

Funny, I found a video of you bowling as a young child.  It explains why you make such intelligent arguments like "you don't like ronnie brown, you are a communist. " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KS3qZVFwsE

  Funny, but totally fake.

Now, just because AJ Duhe made the Pro Bowl in his final season when he didn't even start ....


Padding his stats or stealing them? The starting RB for most teams gets way more than 58% of the carries.  Together they're on pace for nearly 1,700 yards and 19 TDs.

How many of their rushing TDs came in the red zone anyways?

No hate here, just disagreement.

Ronnie Browns fantasy spin on ESPN before the game


I guess 15 carries for 48 yards is the definition of a huge game for Ronnie brown.

Jake Long's foot wrapped up, plus we had another OLman injured today. You can't be that dense. Channel your anger to Joey Porter.

Ricky didn't seem to have a problem today. Funny how it is always everybody elses fault, and never than Brown just isn't that good.

You would have something negative to say about Ronnie even if he had a 200 yard game with 3 touchdowns, and no fumbles. Did Ronnie Brown knock up your sister or something?

EDIT: Brown, 15 for 48, and a TD...and 12 passing yards
Williams, 12 for 54 with a long of 10.

You said Ricky did fine. Looks pretty even to me.

No I wouldn't.  But I don't really have to worry about that.  He hasn't had a game over 160 yards rushing and only 1 game over 140 yards. 

I doubt that.  I think it's SpongeBob trying to follow the rules.   ;D

Yea 3 less carries for 6 more yards.  4.5 ypc is a pro bowl type player , and 3.2 ypc is a special team hack.

^^^^^^

Tepop, what I don't get is, we're 7-5 and in a playoff race, and all you want to do is rag on Ronnie Brown.   Why not enjoy our team's amazing turnaround?

Best come back of the year!!! ;)

Whether or not it applies here, I can't say...but there really are people on this planet who simply aren't happy unless they're unhappy.

Hey Tepop, why no update on your anti-Ronnie-Rants?

Which player is better? The one with 760 yards at 4.1 yards a pop, with 10 touchdowns and a single fumble? Or the one with 552 yards at 4.2 yards a pop, with 3 touchdowns and 3 fumbles?

(The first one of them has also thrown twice for 41 yards and a touchdown, no incompletes, no interceptions).

Ronnie Brown makes what, 6 million and Ricky 1 million.  Ronnie really is proving himself to be a star in this league. There are only 16 other players in the league that have more rushing yards than him, and that is pretty good.

A few seconds (or pages) ago, you were extolling the greatness of Ricky, showing all kinds of stats proving that he was better than Brown - week after week ignoring those that didn't support your conclusion conviction. Now, no stats are left and you've obviously felt the need to move away from Ricky altogether in your Ronnie Brown Hate Fest.

Be that as it may, I'll play along...

Ronnie had an amazing year last year, clearly establishing himself as one of the premier backs in the NFL. He then blew out his knee. Standard recovery from that is, and I feel like I should go back and quote myself verbatim on this (but won't bother spending the time) the team and player claiming the player is "100%", but actual performance numbers being down somewhat. Full pre-injury performance is reached in about 80% of YOUNG players only after a full season - i.e. NEXT YEAR for Ronnie Brown.

Even if Brown doesn't bounce all the way back to last year's stellar performance, he's still a very good running back in the NFL. Certainly better than your boy Sticky Ricky at this point in his career.

Ronnies amazing year last year was 119 carries in 7 games.  He isn't a workhorse back worthy of the money that he is getting paid. 

Also Ricky has only lost 1 fumble this year, so he is still a better RB than ronnie.

<yawn>

And according to the links I have found, Ronnie counts over 9 million to the cap. 

Over his last 3 seasons Ricky Williams has only averaged 112 carries a season.   ;)

In the 26 games he played he's only averaged 12 carries a game.  Apparently he's not a workhorse either.

True, that is why he is only making 800,000.

Ronnie Brown is going to make over $40,000 a carry this year.

He's making $800k because people aren't sure if he can stay off the icky sticky.

He'll be making a lot more than that next year.

  Ummmm....  you do realize that Ronnie has only lost 1 fumble this year as well?  Please, go back to your pineapple under the sea until you can get your facts straight.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7178

Ricky has fumbled 3 times despite getting significantly fewer carries than Ronnie, who has only fumbled once.

Which team RECOVERS a fumble is basically random, so it shouldn't be held against a player that his fumble was "lost" )nor should it somehow count "for" the player, that a fumble was not "lost"). The fumbling itself is what should be held against a player.

(Which is also why I consider Ginn's fumbling, even though mostly out of bounds, a problem. Hold on to the damned ball!)

Ahem..Officially Ricky has fumbled 4 times ony Lost 1 fumble...Ronnie Fumbled once and lost 1.....

This just happened to be a Qwinky Dink here is but a comparison....
Right Now Ronnie Brown Career Stats
48 Games
752 Rush attempts
3277 yards Rushing 
23 Tds rushing 

127 Receptions
1106 Receiving yards
52 First downs  2 Rec Tds
9 Fumbles 7 Lost Fumbles

Ricky's Career Numbers
96 Career Games
1894 Rushing attempts
7664 rushing yards
50 Tds Rushing

267 Receptions
2054 receiving yards
82 First Downs
5 Receiving Td’s 
40 Fumbles  25 Fumbles Lost

Let's Double Ronnies Stats...
96 Games 
1504 Carries 
6554 rushing yards 
46 Rushing Td’s 
 
254 Receptions 
2212 receiving yards
104 First Downs 
4 Rec Td’s
18 Fumbles 14 Fumbles lost

Let's also remember the Majority of Ricky's stats come from 3 year period that last year in N.O. and two years in Miami.....

Take them for what you want....

Stats all taken from yahoo sports....

I haven't read the majority of posts on here but I believe Ronnie is 240 out from 1,000 rushing so that has to boost his stock somewhat if he gets it.

1000 yards rushing is nothing special in today's game.

Tepop is going to eclipse the 1,000 yard mark this season as well...

True.  But it's the standard I still use.  How does the number of 1,000 yard rushers today compare with the 90s since so many teams now use two decent backs?

In 1990 there were 8 1000 yard rushers, with barry sanders leading with 1304.  With 3 games to go, there are 9 1000 yard rushers this year, and 2 more within 22 yards of 1000, with Adrian Peterson leading with 1416.

I'd say that's probably pretty consistent throughout the 90s.  Thanks Tepop.

Not really.  In 2006, there were 23 rushers with 1000 yards, in 2007, there were 17.  Ronnie's best year was 2006, and he was 23rd in yards. lol.

I was talking about having 8 to 10 thousand-yarders per year in the 90's being consistent.  The fact that it's more than double now is astounding.  Thanks again for doing the dirty work.   

Ronnie could have a 2000 yard season, with 25 touchdowns, and it still wouldn't be good enough for Spongepop.

No, he could have a 2000 yard season with 5 tds, and it would be a great season.  But he is not going to, because he just isn't that good.

Well ronnie actually had a decent day today, 10 carries for 67 yards.

Interesting way to put it TeBob.  Today was not one of his better days, but you're actually commending him.

I don't think Tepop is being a troll.  He's got a point.

Ronnie's Yards-per-carry haven't been great.  We love him, and that's fine, but when he doesn't produce, he just calls him out.  In this game, his YPC was up considerably from what it's been in past games.

Tepop has repeatedly taken exactly the statistics that have supported his point and ignored everything else. When those same statistics no longer supported his point, he switched to some that did.

I'm not saying he's a troll. I am, however, saying he's a hater - and I don't buy his faux praise of Ronnie's latest performance one iota.

I haven't ignored anything.  Everytime I say something true about how ronnie just isn't that good, and isn't worth 9 million against the cap to have 200 carries, the excuses start to fly.  Nobody respects penningtons arm, Oline can't block well, coming off an injury what do you expect... the list goes on and on.  10 carries for 67 yards is a good day for him.  It is a lot better than his usual day of 15 carries for 45 yards. 
At the beginning of the season ricky was outproducing ronnie.  The NE game Ricky had almost 100 yards without the benefit of 84 yards on 4 rushes from the wildcat like ronnie.  So ronnie had something like 18 more yards than ricky did, yet ricky wasn't mentioned in one article or highlight show.  It is just retarded that their is so much love for Ronnie when he hasn't really proven anything.  9 million agaisnt a cap for a running back who has a career season high carry of just over 200 and has only broken 200 carries in a season twice in his college and pro career is silly. 

And that right there is what makes you a HATER.

15 carries for 45 yards would be THREE YARDS A CARRY. Ronnie has 4.2 yards per carry, 10 touchdowns and only a single fumble.

Is Ronnie the greatest thing since sliced bread? No.

Is he a GREAT running back? Maybe, but not this year coming off knee surgery.

This season he is "just" good (and better than Ricky, but that's relevant only because you keep bringing Ricky up).

Hopefully, next season he shows us "great" again, like he did last year. The usual comeback pattern from knee injury is, as I've said a thousand times, exactly that. Officially "100%" in season following the surgery (assuming it didn't occur during the off season, of course), but production somewhat low of the players' "pre-injury level". I believe the average was around 80%, but I don't have the article (by Will Carroll, IIRC). 80% would, by the way, put his ypc at 5.25 - or around what he did last year.

Here's Brown's stats so far for the season you hater

http://www.nfl.com/players/ronniebrown/gamelogs?id=BRO662745 (http://www.nfl.com/players/ronniebrown/gamelogs?id=BRO662745)

It seems like you are judging him on one bad stretch of games (weeks 7, 8 and 9).

five times this year, he has had under 3.5 yds per carry

for the season...4.2 ypc is a good stat....10 TD's is a good stat....1 fumble is a good stat...9.1 yds per catch is a GOOD STAT...I think you're just a Ricky mark.

Have you already forgotten how great Ronnie was last year?  He can get back to that form again once he's completely healed from that knee injury.

5 time he had over 4.0 yards per carry.  4.2 ypc is an average stat.  10 tds is a stat based on getting all the goalline carries.  1 fumble is a good stat. 

Ronnie had a good start to the year, but 6 whole games isn't a season.  Like if Ronnie happened to get injured after the SD game, then everybody would still be talking about he is the next LT, should be mvp, etc.  But he happened to not get injured and fall back down to being a normal back.

No, under 3.5 ypc is an average stat...Marion Barber is at 3.7 ypc....Matt Forte 4.0 ypc and so is Brian Westbrook....Turner is at 4.3 ypc, so is Frank Gore and Maurice Jones-Drew...but all of those guys are just "average" right?  Whether or not 10 TDs is goaline carries or not (actually most of those are about at the ten yard line or just inside when he ran them in) doesn't change the fact that he has TEN FREAKING TOUCHDOWNS! 

LOL, right champ.  4.2 ypc is 21st in the league.  Not average at all. lol.

Those stats are skewed and you know it...he is 16th among RBs with over 10 rushing attempts per game...seeing as how he only gets just under 14 attempts per game, what do you think would happen if he got something like 20 attempts per game?  Do you really think it's just "average" when all of those players I just mentioned are around the same average ypc?  All of those RBs I mentioned (with the exception of Forte who is still having a damn good year) are elite RBs.  And your not taking into account that two of our lineman are out for the season, one of which is probably the second best on the team and plays the same side as our best O-lineman.  And yes, Ronnie is coming off of a major knee surgery and won't be the same until next year...and yes, no one respects Penny's arm, so they put eight in the box to stuff the run...you get tired of hearing the "excuses" but they are legitimate reasons why Ronnie isn't having a better year.  I'm getting tired of repeating myself...it's like talking politics or religion with you.

How does the number of rushing attempts he gets per game affect his YPC.  lol.  Yes I think it is average when 21 runningbacks in the NFL have a higher YPC than he does.  And that isn't skewed, those are RB who have qualified stats not like 1 carry for 7 yards.  Excuses are like assholes. All your stupid excuses don't really hurt ricky that much do they.  The only one that actually only affects Ronnie is his injury, and if he is that fucking hurt then don't play.

This isn't a Ronnie vs. Ricky thread...I like Ricky too and think he would be having a better year as well if it weren't for all of my "stupid fucking excuses."  To your point of "how does his rushing attempts affect ypc", seeing as he is the type of RB that can wear down a defense, I think it has a lot to do with ypc.  Do you even watch any of the games?  Do you not see Ronnie fight for every yard?  No one in the NFL can have a stellar year if there aren't holes to run through.  You like to throw Ronnie under the bus, yet you haven't even mentioned those elite RBs I mentioned earlier...do you want to throw them under the bus as well?  He's having a good year considering what he went through last year, and even with that I think he is better than what we have at RB so saying "if he's hurt don't play" would be detrimental to the team.  How can you not like someone that knocks defenders over like bowling pins and can out run most DBs, not to mention is one of the better pass catching RBs in the league....oh he can throw passes too if your hate is blinding you too much to remember.

What elite runningbacks are you talking about.  There are 21 NFL runningbacks that are averaging more ypc than him. Ronnie isn't an elite rb.  Sorry to burst your bubble.

As said in my earlier post...


I never said Ronnie was elite...i said these guys were...I don't think Ronnie has proven that yet...if he would have stayed healthy last year, who knows?  But my point was you want to throw Ronnie under the bus, yet these guys have nearly identical or less than average ypc than Ronnie and no one considers them average RBs with average stats...show me a link where 21 RBs are doing better than him...I'm only counting 16...under 10 attempts per game is a skewed stat in my opinion.

I hate arguing on here because people just stay stuff with no truth to it, and then i have to go and prove them wrong.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f236/tepop/meprovingyouwrongagain.jpg)

Maybe you just got confused with a good tough rb who actually does wear a defense down instead of just dancing in the backfield.

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Tenshot, its like talking to a sponge. Say all you want, and it still won't change anything. It will still suck in water, and when squeezed, will release the same water, and do it all again.

And to think, 10 years ago, we would have killed for a RB that averaged 4 yards a carry.

Turner has 332 carries at 4.3 ypc, which is a lot more valuable than 195 at 4.2 ypc. Deangelo williams splits his carries and is still a shitton better than ronnie brown.  Portis plays in a tough division and is still a lot better than ronnie brown.  steve slaton is a rookie and still a lot better than brown.

10 years ago a rb who averaged 4 ypc would have been good, but times change.

Is that Ronnie's fault that Turner has 332 carries vs his 195?  How does that make him any less valuable as a RB?  Deanglo Williams runs behind an offense that can stretch the field when need be and has an established line that benefits both RBs.  Portis has not only established himself as an elite RB in the past but has incredible speed so I'll give you that one, but Slaton has a good run blocking OL and has this guy named Andre Johnson who has the highest yards per catch average in the league to take the heat off of him:  defenses have to account for him.  You call these excuses, yet they are very real, legitimate reasons why things are the way they are.  As for the Brown stats you posted, that is a relatively small sample size to compare...only 55 carries in attempts 11-20 and only 4 for attempts 21 and over.  Comparing that to Ricky's 18 carries in attempts 11-20 is skewed...not a large enough or relatively even sample size...any basic statistics course will tell you that.  You still haven't sent me a link as to where he's 21st in ypc.  The difference between you and I is I actually address all the points you make, while you just like to pick whichever arguments I make that you can counter with your nonsense logic. 

I'm going to put this to rest for the night because I'm tired and have to work in the morning.

Yea they are excuses.  http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=rush&sort=avg&league=nfl&season=2&year=2008  Ronnie has played shit teams all this year.  He should be putting up monster numbers, but in the end he doesn't.  Of course it is hilarious how everything is always skewed or that ronnie couldnt do it because of this excuse. 

  I think you hit the nail on the head.  It is like talking to a sponge....  bob.   ;D

I think I figured it out...Tepop is Ricky Williams...he's jealous that Ronnie is getting all the attention and he is getting none.  That's why he marks out to Ricky so much...he IS Ricky. ;D

^^^

No, Tepop is Spongebob.

Spongebob is Ricky?  :o

 ;D

I know you guys think he's just being an a-hole, but I think Tepop is right.

Ronnie isn't playing great football right now.  He's average.  He's 16 of 32 teams of guys that carry over 10 times a game.  ...that's right in the middle.

We can blame our O-line and stuff, but we can also cite our cupcake schedule.  And like he said, those are just excuses.  He doesn't have the numbers of a great running back.  He has the numbers of an OK one.

And I'm not busting on Ronnie.  I like the guy and think he's good, but he's not playing any better than the other 2 guys on our roster at the same position, yet he's costing us a lot more.  I'm not saying that he won't be worth it later, but he's not playing like a 9 million per year back right now.

Do they run behind 2nd string quality guards and centers also?

How many RBs qualify for your list?  Is he 21 out of 32?  21 out of 50?

Personally, I would have killed for a coach and/or QB that would handoff to a RB 15-20x a game.  Karim Abdul-Jabbar may have been both our most productive and least talented RBs during that 20 year stretch. 

Good one, the everybody else except ronnie brown defense.

Here are the salaries of the 2008 NFL Rbs.  http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=131  Ronnie Brown only counts 6.1million to the cap (even though he makes 9 million), he still isn't worth it though. Pretty sick how much more he makes than actual good running backs.   

Don't evade the questions.

Do they run behind 2nd string quality guards and centers also?

How many RBs qualify for your list?  Is he 21 out of 32?  21 out of 50?

It is ESPN rb stats and I have already provided the link.  Does Ricky Williams run behind the same line?

Like I said in an earlier post, he picks and chooses what he wants to respond to...he evades questions like RONNIE BROWN EVADES DEFENDERS!  ;D

(now this is where Tepop says "what, not at all?" because he's not clever enough to come up with something better)

Ronnie looked good handling the Wildcat today.... but his play on third and short with the Dolphins nursing a 24-21 lead right before the half really pissed me off.  Rather than plow forward and get the first down after catching a slant pass from Pennington, he dances and gets stuffed a yard short. 

We all know what happened next.... the shitty fade call on 4th and 1.

It didn't seem like he was given many chances today.

He was looking for the end zone when he should have been looking for the first down marker.

I don't give a shit what he was looking for.  He's had the problem of dancing his entire fucking career.  He needs to man up and plow through people.  He's got the power. 

Dude, he usually does nothing BUT plow through people.  I agree he danced too much on that catch, and the cameras showed him being upset with himself.  He saw two guys coming and danced a bit looking for a way through.  He screwed up.  So what.  He still averaged 4.0 yards a carry today (compared to Ricky's 2.8 ) and averages 4.2 for the year on 195 carries.  Give him 300 carries, like AP has now, and Brown has 1200 yards and no one is complaining.  4.2 yards per carry is very respectable, especially coming off a knee injury.

brown plays tough, and his game is getting better and better since his knee injury. he is going to be hard to handle for the jets next week  ;D

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-4-617/Video--Ronnie-Brown-on-big-Fins-Jets-finale.html

i promise never to feed the trolls

2009

Ricky Williams 608 yards on 93 rushes and receptions
Ronnie Brown 584 yards on 130 rushes and receptions. 

Which one is overrated.  Also Ronnie has 21 yards on 4 attempts passing.  Obv. Overrated. Sick that he was voted most dangerous player in AFC east, he isn't even the best running back on his team.

NEWSFLASH:   

Fueled by his longtime hatred of Ronnie Brown, Tepop has gone way beyond keeping his rants in current threads, and has gone on an all out war to infect every thread with anti Ronnie Brown posts, even ones that are a year old.

Its funny how he "ignore's Henne's best game because its an anomaly" and doesn't ignore Ricky's 68 yard run or his 59 yard catch.  Ignore those and suddenly Ricky has a pedestrian 481 total yards thru 7 games (68 total yards per game).

::)

Perhaps he secretly yearns for that #1 ranking you hold on the "can we give them the boot already please?" list.

Personally, I think Tepop just likes complaining about shit, and needs people to hear him complaining for it to provide a therapeutic effect.

Personally, I don't even think Tepop is a Dolphins fan.

  if you take those 2 plays away from ricky he is still averaging .8 yards more than brown per touch.

Give me a break dude.  He's been doing this for twice as long as my "Fire Cam" crusade lasted.  ;D

I would like to add what I think, but I'm pretty sure it corsses over the personal attacks boundary.

That's because Ronnie Brown is still with the Dolphins. Cam is long gone. ;) Ronnie could average 6 ypc for every game, and he would still find something to complain about...like maybe how if he didnt smile every time he had the ball, he might be able to pick up an extra .0000000000003% of a yard per carry.

So when can he get the bust label?  He has now played 5 seasons and had 1 1000 yard season.  He is a second overall pick making like $10 million a year and isn't even a workhorse. The Glassman Ronnie Brown needs to be traded/cut.

To the tune of Fred Durst.....KEEP TROLLIN, TROLLIN, TROLLIN, WHAT?! KEEP TROLLIN TROLLIN TROLLIN!

Jesus Christ I'm not reading through 12 pages of this shit to catch up.

The synopsis: Ronnie Brown sucks. The End.

Did anyone see that Dolphin Digest (Dolphins own paper) chose Ricky Williams the RB of the decade over Ronnie Brown?