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Title: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: run_to_win on November 13, 2008, 12:08:29 am http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gutnLWP4KNjECVTydghhwRVzJikAD94DOQ380 (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gutnLWP4KNjECVTydghhwRVzJikAD94DOQ380)
Quote Theater official quits over anti-gay donation SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — The artistic director at California's largest nonprofit musical theater company resigned Wednesday amid protests over his donation to a campaign to ban gay marriage in the state. Scott Eckern stepped down from his job at the California Musical Theater in Sacramento after some gay activists called for a theater boycott. He said he is leaving "after prayerful consideration to protect the organization and to help the healing in the local theatergoing and creative community." Eckern said he "chose to act upon my belief that the traditional definition of marriage should be preserved" but had no idea his contribution would generate such controversy. He said his sister is a lesbian in a domestic partnership, which he understands to carry the same legal rights as marriage. The boycott calls — led by artists including "Hairspray" composer Marc Shaiman — began after activists learned Eckern contributed $1,000 to the Yes on 8 campaign. Last week, voters approved Proposition 8, which changes the constitution to ban same-sex marriage. Lisa West, regional spokeswoman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said Eckern is a member "in very good standing" and the Mormon church supports his decision to resign. Fred Karger, the founder of Californians Against Hate, which was created to publicize donors to the Yes on Proposition 8 campaign, said he was not involved in the theater boycott effort and was saddened that Eckern resigned. "That's not good news, but there's going to be a lot of fallout from this (gay marriage ban)," Karger said. "Of course, a lot of lives were ruined on the other side." He said his Web site has received thousands of visits from those tracking Yes on 8 contributors. Ron Prentice, chairman of the Yes on 8 campaign, issued a statement criticizing gay marriage supporters who "cherish tolerance and civil rights (but) are unabashedly trampling on the rights of others." The theater company, Sacramento's oldest arts organization, said it is not involved in political issues but doesn't interfere with employees' rights to express their views. The company issued a statement thanking Eckern for his 25 years of service. Eckern was the company's chief operating officer and its artistic director since 2002. The company produces Sacramento's annual Music Circus and plays at Broadway Sacramento and the newly opened Cosmopolitan Cabaret. He resigned rather than risk having the theater closed down due to boycotts and protests. The intolerance of people never fails to amaze me. I still say that most of the resistance comes from the prospect of redefining the word marriage. Make it 100% equal but just use a different word and I think there'd be much less resistance. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: Dave Gray on November 13, 2008, 12:10:55 am I see nothing wrong with this at all. If you support intolerance, don't be surprised if people don't support your business. This is what boycotts are all about.
Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: run_to_win on November 13, 2008, 12:15:41 am Quote Eckern said he "chose to act upon my belief that the traditional definition of marriage should be preserved" but had no idea his contribution would generate such controversy. He said his sister is a lesbian in a domestic partnership, which he understands to carry the same legal rights as marriage. To him it was all about the traditional definition, not about rights. All he is intolerant of is changing definitions. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: Dave Gray on November 13, 2008, 12:17:30 am Well, then he can change the definition of his job to "unemployed", while he's at it.
Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: Buddhagirl on November 13, 2008, 05:17:56 am To him it was all about the traditional definition, not about rights. All he is intolerant of is changing definitions. This is the beauty of a boycott. People have the right to spend their money wherever they would like just as he has the right to donate to whomever he wants. This is no different then when the religious people threaten a boycott against something they don't like. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: Defense54 on November 13, 2008, 07:05:20 am You run a Theatre and yet you support banning Gay Marriage?
That's like a condom maker supporting abstinence. ::) Life is full of decisions..........I don't feel for the guy in the least. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on November 13, 2008, 08:42:31 am I see this no different than radio stations that refuse to play the Dixie Chicks.
Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: CF DolFan on November 13, 2008, 08:47:44 am Not sure what Defense is trying to say. My uncle in law danced ballet in Las Vegas for many years and has many ... I do mean many gay friends. He doesn't agree with marriage for them as he probably doesn't agree with many other things they believe that have nothing to do with being gay.
I think they should be able to boycott if they like ... I mean that's certainly a part of free speech. Unfortunately for them making a few people lose their job or lose some money won't change the minds of the masses. In fact ... it could do the opposite and that's a risk they run. The problem I have is with the "hate" moniker people use. It isn't hate if you disagree with most things but it is if it's homosexuality. Whenever anyone uses that word it really means they have no better argument and can only resort to name calling. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: bsmooth on November 13, 2008, 10:12:59 am http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gutnLWP4KNjECVTydghhwRVzJikAD94DOQ380 (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gutnLWP4KNjECVTydghhwRVzJikAD94DOQ380) He resigned rather than risk having the theater closed down due to boycotts and protests. The intolerance of people never fails to amaze me. I still say that most of the resistance comes from the prospect of redefining the word marriage. Make it 100% equal but just use a different word and I think there'd be much less resistance. They should just get rid of all the special benefits that married people get. You want to get married, fine, but you should not get anything more than an unmarried couple. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: run_to_win on November 13, 2008, 10:15:00 am Yeah, that's a much better idea than making it 100% equal and just finding a different word.
Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: StL FinFan on November 13, 2008, 10:17:21 am I have heard it said that if they would have used something like "civil union" instead of "marriage" fewer people would have been put off by the whole thing. I don't know. Apparently, they also saw it as a civil rights issue and counted on the African American vote, but failed to see the religion side.
Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: bsmooth on November 13, 2008, 10:20:29 am Yeah, that's a much better idea than making it 100% equal and just finding a different word. It is not about a word. The fact that blacks voted for it overwhelmingly shows it is all about religious beliefs, and therefore gay marriage in any form or definition is wrong. You are trying to play semantics and split hairs instead of addressing the root cause. People will not allow it to happen because of their religious beliefs. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: run_to_win on November 13, 2008, 10:26:38 am ...People will not allow it to happen because of their religious beliefs. Except for this guy, of course. Other than him I'm sure you're right though. He's the only one. Quote Eckern said he "chose to act upon my belief that the traditional definition of marriage should be preserved" but had no idea his contribution would generate such controversy. He said his sister is a lesbian in a domestic partnership, which he understands to carry the same legal rights as marriage. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: Sunstroke on November 13, 2008, 10:50:55 am ^^^ No surprise that you omitted the line before that one, where it said "after prayerful consideration...," as it wouldn't have supported your point very well. I suppose it's possible that they could have been non-religious prayers or something. ::) Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: run_to_win on November 13, 2008, 11:02:15 am I just quoted the entire relevant paragraph. (http://209.85.117.199/1250/23/0/e801//e801.gif)
My apologies if that offends your sensibilities. No surprise that you omitted the fact that the "prayerful consideration" was in regards to him leaving the theater and unrelated to his reasons for supporting the proposition. ;) Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on November 13, 2008, 11:16:16 am No surprise that you omitted the fact that the "prayerful consideration" was in regards to him leaving the theater and unrelated to his reasons for supporting the proposition. So it is your theory that he gave "prayerful consideration" to quitting his job, but his voting choice was utterly unrelated to religious reason. That he turns his religion on and off, and that his is an utter hypocrite. While that may be true. I think it is more likely he also gave "prayerful consideration to his vote and campaign contribution as well. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: Fau Teixeira on November 13, 2008, 11:20:46 am this article is much ado about nothing .. no-body did anything wrong or unusual
as far as the marriage debate i think the government should have an "all in" or "all out" approach to marriage either a - recognize and allow two or more consenting adults to marry who or whom they want without government interference with regards to sex or numbers or b - remove marriage regulation and recognition as a government function entirely and make it so that it is a religious institution only and not a civil one in my view, those are the only two fair approaches to government and marriage. either way it's 100% fair and equal to the entire population Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: Spider-Dan on November 13, 2008, 11:21:13 am The intolerance of people never fails to amaze me. Doublespeak at its finest.I suppose I would be considered "intolerant" if I protested someone who donated to outlaw interracial marriages? I mean, why can't I just be tolerant of people who want to preserve the integrity of the white race? When you consider the word "tolerance" to apply more to the redefinition of a word than to the civil rights of two humans, the word "tolerance" loses all useful meaning. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: run_to_win on November 13, 2008, 11:25:48 am So it is your theory... Read the article. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: Sunstroke on November 13, 2008, 11:39:37 am Read it yourself, RTW..."prayerful" implies religious consideration. And please don't try telling me that one sentence in his statement should be taken at face value while we ignore the preceding sentence entirely, because that's the happiest type of horseshit. He didn't contemplate his navel for guidance... He didn't consider the personal, social and political ramifications and make a logical decision... He prayed, ergo religion influenced his decision. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: run_to_win on November 13, 2008, 12:35:14 pm Read it yourself, RTW..."prayerful" implies religious consideration. Yes, relative to his decision to step down. His reasoning behind his support of Prop 8 is devoid of religion.And please don't try telling me that one sentence in his statement should be taken at face value while we ignore the preceding sentence entirely, because that's the happiest type of horseshit. Taking things at face value and responding accordingly never was your strength.He didn't contemplate his navel for guidance... He didn't consider the personal, social and political ramifications and make a logical decision... He prayed, ergo religion influenced his decision. If you need to make that assumption to come to your conclusions it's no skin off my back. I still don't see how his "prayerful" consideration about stepping down is retroactive to his decision to support Prop 8. I suppose if anyone can make future acts influence past decisions it's God.Simple question - why do you think he quit? Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: Dave Gray on November 13, 2008, 12:49:38 pm Yes, relative to his decision to step down. His reasoning behind his support of Prop 8 is devoid of religion. Bullshit. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on November 13, 2008, 01:09:27 pm Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: Sunstroke on November 13, 2008, 01:23:25 pm I'll add my own "bullshit" call to that one as well...and wonder why I even bother arguing with RTW when he only argues for the argument's sake. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: Buddhagirl on November 13, 2008, 01:33:43 pm I'll add my own "bullshit" call to that one as well...and wonder why I even bother arguing with RTW when he only argues for the argument's sake. Agreed. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: run_to_win on November 13, 2008, 02:08:11 pm You guys sound a lot smarter when you let Dave argue for you. ;)
So did he pray to God to find the traditional definition of marriage or was it devine intervention that led him to a dictionary? Quote Eckern said he "chose to act upon my belief that the traditional definition of marriage should be preserved" but had no idea his contribution would generate such controversy. He said his sister is a lesbian in a domestic partnership, which he understands to carry the same legal rights as marriage. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: Buddhagirl on November 13, 2008, 02:11:47 pm You guys should let Dave do all your arguing. ;) Oh...I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with Dave. I was agreeing with the fact that you like to argue for the argument's sake. I should've been clearer. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: run_to_win on November 13, 2008, 02:17:13 pm Sure Buddha. ;)
Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: Sunstroke on November 13, 2008, 02:29:27 pm You guys sound a lot smarter when you let Dave argue for you. ;) And you sound a lot smarter when you're away from your keyboard... Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on November 13, 2008, 02:34:42 pm You guys sound a lot smarter when you let Dave argue for you. ;) Yes, the way he lined up "s" after the two "l"s was pure brilliance. Seriously that one word response of bullshit said it all. Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: bsfins on November 13, 2008, 02:41:44 pm Now it's time for my angry Hypocrtical self to lock this thread..... ;D
Title: Re: Call for boycott forces theater director out Post by: Dave Gray on November 14, 2008, 10:34:53 pm Just a postscript:
I saw this story on CNN tonight, and it just so happened that the guy is a member of the Mormon church. |