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Title: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: raptorsfan29 on November 28, 2008, 11:49:02 pm
i'm bored and feel like talking about next season. What position should the phins concentrate on more in the next draft, so basically what is the biggest need on the team.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Frimp on November 28, 2008, 11:53:16 pm
Secondary/receivers


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: StL FinFan on November 29, 2008, 12:15:25 am
Michael Crabtree (how did I get this in before Sunstroke saw the thread?)


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: TonyB0D on November 29, 2008, 03:48:41 am
trade for boldin!!!


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: stinkfish on November 29, 2008, 10:42:06 am
trade for boldin!!!
I like the way you think. But assuming that that won't happen, I would say Crabtree, for one, or OSU's #1 Crabtree-like WR., or, a shut down CB.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: fyo on November 29, 2008, 01:23:16 pm
Secondary and O-line, but since the latter can be addressed outside the first round when you're not talking left tackle, I wouldn't mind looking at the offensive skill positions. Yes, even running back.

My greatest concern with spending our first-rounder on a receiver is that there seem to be a lot of first-round receiver busts. From 2000 to 2005 the following receivers were drafted in the first round:

2005
Braylon Edwards (49) - good
Troy Williamson (23) - bust
Mike Williams (7) - bust
Matt Jones (14) - mediocre
Mark Clayton (43) - mediocre
Roddy White (38) - decent

2004
Larry Fitzgerald (72) - good
Roy Williams (59) - decent
Reggie Williams (50) - mediocre
Lee Evans (68) - good
Michael Clayton (42) - mediocre
Michael Jenkins (41) - decent
Rashaun Woods (0) - bust

2003
Charles Rogers (9) - bust
Andre Johnson (81) - good
Bryant Johnson (46) - mediocre

2002
Donte Stallworth (59) - good
Ashley Lelie (57) - decent
Javon Walker (46) - decent

2001
David Terrell (30) - bust
Koren Robinson (66) - mediocre
Rod Gardner (62) - decent
Santana Moss (84) - good
Freddie Mitchell (17) - bust
Reggie Wayne (107) - good

2000
Peter Warrick (60) - decent
Plaxico Burress (122) - good
Travis Taylor (90) - decent
Sylvester Morris (14) - bust
R. Jay Soward (2) - bust

Number of games started (career) is in parentheses.

The 2005 players were really hard to evaluate. It's just too soon to put final labels on them, even with the coarse labeling used (bust, mediocre, decent, good). Matt Jones, for example, looks like a bust in many ways, having started only 14 games in 4 years (not what you want from a first round pick!!). However, he's had a good year this year and started 9 games... so I pushed his grade up a notch to mediocre, but he could still easily break out and become a "decent" or even "good" player.

Similarly, Roddy White has had a really shitty start to his career, but is looking much better this year. If he continues, he could turn out to be worth that first round pick after all. Right now, he's only "decent".

13 players out of 30 graded "bust" or "mediocre", definitely not worth a first round pick. (43%)

8 players graded "good", which is what you really expect of a first round pick. (27%)

Those are pretty bad odds, in my opinion.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 30, 2008, 12:33:15 pm
trade for boldin!!!
I like the way you think. But assuming that that won't happen, I would say Crabtree, for one, or OSU's #1 Crabtree-like WR., or, a shut down CB.

Boldin will not be a Dolphin.  The Cardinals keep saying they're working on a new deal for him.  He'll be wearing Cardinal red for a long time. 

I have to agree with the majority here and say Crabtree..... although if he gets snatched up early, Percy Harvin would be a viable option. 


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: doctord56 on November 30, 2008, 02:18:56 pm
how about cornerbacks Vontae Davis or Malcolm Jenkins, certainly a position of need; then they get a WR with one of the round two picks.

Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 202.
Projected 40 Time: 4.39.
Projected Round (2009): Top 10 Pick.
5/17/08: There's a good chance Malcolm Jenkins would have been drafted in the top 11 if he came out for the 2008 NFL Draft. If he struggles in 2008, he'll be sorry. But for now, he'll be the first corner off the board. I haven't really seen any weaknesses in his game.

2007: Malcolm Jenkins has decided to stay for his senior season at Ohio State.

If Jenkins can run a high 4.3 like some reports indicate he can, he'll easily go off the board in the top 10.

A three-year starter and member of the All-Big Ten First Team, Malcolm Jenkins picked off four passes in 2006.


 Vontae Davis*, Illinois
Height: 6-0. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.39.
Projected Round (2009): Top 15 Pick.
5/17/08: There's a chance Vontae Davis could surpass Malcolm Jenkins. In his two seasons at Illinois, Davis has registered 128 tackles, five picks and 14 passes broken up.

2007: One of the top players at his position in the 2010 class, Vonate Davis has incredible speed for a big corner. He made an immediate contribution as a true freshman. Through four games in 2007, Davis has two blocked punts.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: fyo on November 30, 2008, 02:26:23 pm
Boldin will not be a Dolphin.  The Cardinals keep saying they're working on a new deal for him.  He'll be wearing Cardinal red for a long time. 

I agree. The great year Warner is having in Arizona will keep Boldin happy for a little while longer - at least long enough to sign a deal. The increase in cap and prospect of a capless year should make it possible to give Boldin a Fitzgerald-like contract.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: BigDaddyFin on December 02, 2008, 03:12:00 pm
I have to go with DB.  Reciever, we'll have Camarillo and Bess next year, but we need depth at the position more than anything else.

I'd use the first 5 picks we have on DBs and use the rest on reciever.  We're bound to hit on at least 3 of them.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: DZA on December 02, 2008, 04:08:10 pm
Hope the Tuna and Co. knows that Miami secondary needs some work.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: bsfins on December 02, 2008, 05:35:45 pm
I guess in the Minority...I don't think Crabtree will be there for us to draft...I'd like to see a Dominating Defensive tackle....Fergason isn't getting any younger,Solai will be gone...Starks,and Holiday can play pass rushing Tackle...but Holiday isn't getting any younger either....


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Dave Gray on December 02, 2008, 05:49:15 pm
Ideally, you take someone in the secondary -- preferably a corner.

I'm a believer that you need the 4 corners -- 2 ends, 2 corners -- that are viable, before you have anything else.

We definitely should not draft a WR.  We just took Ted Ginn, plus that's a position where you can mix and match and "find" talent.  It's not a building block of a team.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: DolFan619 on December 02, 2008, 05:58:08 pm
  The first pick should be spent on either an OLB, NT, or CB.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Phishfan on December 02, 2008, 06:26:53 pm
Ideally, you take someone in the secondary -- preferably a corner.

I'm a believer that you need the 4 corners -- 2 ends, 2 corners -- that are viable, before you have anything else.

We definitely should not draft a WR.  We just took Ted Ginn, plus that's a position where you can mix and match and "find" talent.  It's not a building block of a team.

I would normally agree with you but the 3-4 the Dolphins run definitely needs a big nose tackle for the front 7 to work. I haven't studied the draft and think that if there is a guy there the Dolphins need to pick him. Otherwise a corner.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Sunstroke on December 02, 2008, 06:38:18 pm

Why is this in the anti-fins section? Seems fairly pro-fins to me. ;D

Michael Crabtree (how did I get this in before Sunstroke saw the thread?)

Because I didn't see this thread...I don't visit anti-fins very often.

I love Michael Crabtree, and think whoever drafts him will get an elite WR of the Fitzgerald/Andre Johnson/Calvin Johnson caliber. We need WRs, we need DBs, we need more beef for our O-line, and we need help at several LB positions. I'll stick with Crabtree for my pick, but I don't think there is any chance of him being on the board when Miami comes up (remember, we don't have the #1 pick this time...yay!).

As long as Ireland-Parcells-Sparano bring in a draft class as good as this past one, I'll be happy.




Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: DolFan619 on December 02, 2008, 06:46:26 pm
I don't think there is any chance of him being on the board when Miami comes up (remember, we don't have the #1 pick this time...yay!).

  As of right now, Miami has the 18th overall pick, no way Crabtree lasts till #18.  I would love to have Crabtree, but the idea of him slipping that much seems unlikely.



Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Kirbyjr on December 02, 2008, 10:23:51 pm
I would love to see the Dolphins take Vontae Davis,  he would be a great foundation to build/improve the secondary.  My only fear is that he would turn out to be a bum like his brother.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: BigDaddyFin on December 02, 2008, 10:31:37 pm
Good call on the nose tackle, but there again like receiver you might have to wait until a later round to get him.  Coaches look for certain bodies to play the nose in a 3-4 and I don't know who would fit that out of the list of tackles coming out of college.  It would certainly be a good pick. 


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: run_to_win on December 03, 2008, 07:34:35 am
What about "best player available"?

Are the Dolphins solid enough at any position to pass on a "sure thing"?  Which positions don't need a major upgrade?  OT and RB? 


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: fyo on December 03, 2008, 08:04:01 am
Which positions don't need a major upgrade?  OT and RB? 

I think we need to get a good RB... wait... No, tepop did not hack my account!

RW is not exactly young and just a nervous twitch away from feeling the wrath of Goodell's ban-hammer. He's just not a player the franchise can rely on.

Ronnie is a great back (see? no tepop here!), but he is back from a major knee injury and while he has done better than I expected, he's still a somewhat risky proposition. Great upside, if he can fully return to last years' form, but what if he can't? What if he re-injures the knee?

I'm not saying we should spend a high pick on a new back, but I would like us to go after a heavy bruiser. A real short-yardage monster. I don't follow college ball, so I have no insights, but from looking at the numbers, I'd say someone like Anthony Dixon or PJ Hill (should they declare) would be worth a look.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on December 03, 2008, 08:35:28 am
I think we need to get a good RB... wait... No, tepop did not hack my account!

RW is not exactly young and just a nervous twitch away from feeling the wrath of Goodell's ban-hammer. He's just not a player the franchise can rely on.

Ronnie is a great back (see? no tepop here!), but he is back from a major knee injury and while he has done better than I expected, he's still a somewhat risky proposition. Great upside, if he can fully return to last years' form, but what if he can't? What if he re-injures the knee?

I'm not saying we should spend a high pick on a new back, but I would like us to go after a heavy bruiser. A real short-yardage monster. I don't follow college ball, so I have no insights, but from looking at the numbers, I'd say someone like Anthony Dixon or PJ Hill (should they declare) would be worth a look.

Personally, I think drafting those RB's in the sixth round last year were wasted picks.  Both are on the practice squad at this point. 

I seriously hope they address the secondary, as not a single DB has been drafted the past two seasons. 


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: fyo on December 03, 2008, 09:43:38 am
Personally, I think drafting those RB's in the sixth round last year were wasted picks.  Both are on the practice squad at this point. 

Hilliard and Parmele... Of the 10 running backs drafted in the 6th or later, I think Hillis is the only one doing anything.

I do think a big reason the Trifecta drafted those two was the uncertainty of R&R. It was necessary to have depth in case one or both were lost. There was a very real risk that neither player would be available at the season opener (Ronnie could've had a setback, Ricky could've "twitched"). That scenario needed to be taken into consideration.

Parmele was described in the draft-material as "more of a fullback", but Hilliard is closer to the "bruising back" type I'm looking for. Still, he's not quite big enough, but I really think he could make the roster next year if he can bulk up a bit.

Parmele is SOL if he really is more of a fullback. Parcells and Sparano prefer blocking tight ends to fullbacks, so any player for that spot will get chosen primarily on special teams performance.

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I seriously hope they address the secondary, as not a single DB has been drafted the past two seasons.

No disagreement here. We need to spend top picks on DBs. I wouldn't mind d-line, if the "right" player is there.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Dave Gray on December 04, 2008, 03:36:29 pm
RBs are a dime a dozen.  You can plug in a 2nd rate jobber at the position and still win games.  And also, you can "find" RB talent.  Remember Bernie Parmale?  And their lifespan in the NFL is really short.

You can't find a corner.  But if you do get one, you can hold on to them for a decade.



Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Defense54 on December 04, 2008, 05:30:48 pm
We could still use an OL and a reciever , but the Main focus of the draft will be the Defese and Special Teams/depth. I think they will draft high for a DT and spend some high draft picks (at least one of the 2nd rounders available ) on a DB.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 04, 2008, 06:10:31 pm
George Selvie


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: DolFan619 on December 04, 2008, 06:35:39 pm
  This draft will probably be almost identical to the 2008 Draft.  Not a lot of "sexy" picks, just continued focus on both lines, as well as LB's and DB's.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Defense54 on December 04, 2008, 11:03:25 pm
  This draft will probably almost identical to the 2008 Draft.  Not a lot of "sexy" picks, just continued focus on both lines, as well as LB's and DB's.

Exactly. Fuck the sexy Picks. Leave that to The Raiders and the Lions.  #1 draft picks are VERY over rated. Plenty of killer players elsewhere and we got 2 # two picks........... >:D


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: raptorsfan29 on December 05, 2008, 02:14:15 pm
Why is this in the anti-fins section? Seems fairly pro-fins to me. ;D

i put it here because some may seem it to be a negative post since it makes the impression that i am giving up on the season


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Defense54 on December 05, 2008, 11:05:29 pm
Personally, I think drafting those RB's in the sixth round last year were wasted picks.  Both are on the practice squad at this point. 

I seriously hope they address the secondary, as not a single DB has been drafted the past two seasons. 

Yes !!! Especially with Colt Brennan still on the board. Henne is the future but I'd would really love to have Colt holding a clipboard Vs. Beck............


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: stinkfish on December 06, 2008, 07:30:20 pm
Harvin


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on December 06, 2008, 09:54:53 pm
George Selvie

I don't know about him.  As good as he's looking tonight against WVU, he's a pass rush specialist in the 4-3.  In Parcells 3-4, he'll have to either get used to going against bigger guys, or switch to linebacker, neither of which are an easy feat at the pro level. 


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: doctord56 on December 07, 2008, 08:14:28 am
I'm still thinking the best available cornerback with the first round pick, and then an OL and WR in the second round. But what the hell do I know?


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 07, 2008, 11:58:16 am
I don't know about him.  As good as he's looking tonight against WVU, he's a pass rush specialist in the 4-3.  In Parcells 3-4, he'll have to either get used to going against bigger guys, or switch to linebacker, neither of which are an easy feat at the pro level. 

He wouldn't make it as a DE in our system...rush OLB would be perfect...it might take him a little while to get used to coverage schemes, but I think he would be a beast in our 3-4


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: BingeBag on December 07, 2008, 03:32:40 pm
I don't know about him.  As good as he's looking tonight against WVU, he's a pass rush specialist in the 4-3.  In Parcells 3-4, he'll have to either get used to going against bigger guys, or switch to linebacker, neither of which are an easy feat at the pro level. 

Selvie is never going to be heard from again after he gets drafted.




Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 07, 2008, 05:31:52 pm
Selvie is never going to be heard from again after he gets drafted.




why do you say that?


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: run_to_win on December 07, 2008, 07:49:45 pm
The Dolphins need a pass rushers more than anything. 

A pro-bowl caliber guard or center would be nice also.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: DolFan619 on December 07, 2008, 07:58:51 pm
Selvie is never going to be heard from again after he gets drafted.

  I agree.  Vernon Ghoston v2.0


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: NADS on December 09, 2008, 02:59:18 am
I have to go with DB.  Reciever, we'll have Camarillo and Bess next year, but we need depth at the position more than anything else.

I'd use the first 5 picks we have on DBs and use the rest on reciever.  We're bound to hit on at least 3 of them.

As crazy as this looks in print, I'd have to agree somewhat.  FS (see Renaldo Hill) is an easy upgrade and Andre Goodman is hit and miss--thankfully more hit recently.  I like Will Allen but he can't hang with the NFL elite.  I don't know who's playing nickel this week but it probably won't be the same guy as last week.  I'd go 4- or 5-wide against the Fins half of each game as long as I had two decent receivers and a possession receiver.   

I'd like to see a Zach Thomas type ILB taken in the first two rounds.  Akin Ayodele's tackle totals aren't that impressive but Crowder gets it done.  We could get a big NT late or trade for one.  It's crazy how stout the Ravens and Steelers front seven are...and fast.

Picking up at least one stud safety or corner via free agency sounds like a safer alternative to the five-DB-draft deal.  The management surely knows we need DBs if we all find it to be so.  I'm not too concerned about the O because we have enough people in place to wait until next draft unless a Calvin Johson/Randy Moss physical freak is available.  The OL will be better with Long's maturity and Donald Thomas and Justin Smiley coming back from injury.  That Ndukwe guy sucks balls though. 


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tepop84 on December 09, 2008, 03:13:51 am
As crazy as this looks in print, I'd have to agree somewhat.  FS (see Renaldo Hill) is an easy upgrade and Andre Goodman is hit and miss--thankfully more hit recently.  I like Will Allen but he can't hang with the NFL elite.  I don't know who's playing nickel this week but it probably won't be the same guy as last week.  I'd go 4- or 5-wide against the Fins half of each game as long as I had two decent receivers and a possession receiver.   


Will Allen is a better corner than a lot of people give him credit for.  He can't hang with the NFL elite?  What corner can? 


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Dolphin-UK on December 09, 2008, 12:39:48 pm
I think the state our team is in we can't have too many quality linemen.  If we can have a solid OL for when Henne steps up, we are going to be in good stead both rushing and passing.

Working on the principle of taking the most talent availible when you pick, focus on OL and DB, and try and go for 50/50.

Our WR's, RB's and QB are servicable, and our DL and LB's are too.upgrade the OL because we can, and DB's because we need too, and we're moving in the right direction.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Sunstroke on December 09, 2008, 01:28:29 pm

I like the general idea of going whole hog on as many blue chip DBs as we can harvest at draft time and hope that most of them develop as expected...but we still really do have other needs on this team. No disrespect to Ginn, Camarillo or Bess, but none of them are true #1 WRs. We could use some more help on the O-line and at LB as well.

I'd like to see 3 DBs in this draft class, with two coming in the first 4 rounds, and best available talent at OL, WR and LB sprinkled in between.



Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: NADS on December 09, 2008, 09:37:20 pm
Will Allen is a better corner than a lot of people give him credit for.  He can't hang with the NFL elite?  What corner can? 

True.  Big name corners don't really come to the forefront like in the 90's and the new PI rules are insane.  I've never seen so many receivers push off and not get called for it. 


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: dolfan13 on December 11, 2008, 04:40:18 pm
i follow the longhorns religiously, and catch a lot of big 12 games... crabtree is a stud, and will be worth whatever to pay him.

that said, for the dolphins, i'd like to continue to focus on defense... one to look out for is brian orakpo. guy is the real deal monster, but i doubt he'll last past #10.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGUc3UL64f0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGUc3UL64f0)


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Defense54 on December 12, 2008, 01:19:20 pm
 
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I'd like to see a Zach Thomas type ILB taken in the first two rounds.  Akin Ayodele's tackle totals aren't that impressive but Crowder gets it done.   


Nah, while not Pro bowl Calibur, Crowder does a more then adequate job. Remember...........Zach wasn't taken until the 6th round.  ;)  We need Mountain sized D Linemen in the make of Bowens and Gardner. Those guys helped Zach do what he did. If I remember correctly Zack bought his Dline Rolexs when he went to his first Probowl.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Dphins4me on December 14, 2008, 08:51:41 am
At the point where Miami will be drafting none of these guys will be available.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 14, 2008, 10:37:05 am
D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt  ....or.....  Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois

or if we let Crowder go in the offseaon....

James Laurinaitis, ILB, Ohio State

Also George Selvie is projected to go in the second round...if he drops 10 or so spots to us, i say we take a chance on him...if he is Gholston 2.0, a second rounder would be worth the risk...otherwise I'd like to see some of these guys as second round picks...remember we have two.

Connor Barwin, DE/OLB, Cincinnati 
Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers
Kam Chancellor, S, Virginia Tech
Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma 


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tepop84 on December 14, 2008, 06:05:38 pm
Will Allen is a better corner than a lot of people give him credit for.  He can't hang with the NFL elite?  What corner can? 

Well Nnamdi asoughma whatever is getting chewed up by Randy Moss today.  I think the Raiders should draft all dbs this year.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Defense54 on December 14, 2008, 07:32:24 pm
Well Nnamdi asoughma whatever is getting chewed up by Randy Moss today.  I think the Raiders should draft all dbs this year.

And that has What to do with the Dolphins?  ???


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: NADS on December 15, 2008, 02:26:24 am
D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt  ....or.....  Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois

or if we let Crowder go in the offseaon....

James Laurinaitis, ILB, Ohio State


Somebody was saying Laurinaitis tends to make a lot of tackles after the back has busted through the line or gone past him.  Do you agree? 


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 15, 2008, 11:04:05 am
Somebody was saying Laurinaitis tends to make a lot of tackles after the back has busted through the line or gone past him.  Do you agree? 

Not really...I think the guy is a stud...sometimes people try and find things wrong with guys when their isn't any...I haven't heard his name much this year, but last year he was the greatest thing since sliced bread.  He has the size and speed to get it done.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2008/player/518/81506/index.html (http://www.cfbstats.com/2008/player/518/81506/index.html)


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Sunstroke on December 16, 2008, 04:33:53 pm

If there is any chance that S Taylor Mays from USC is available when Miami selects in the first round, I think he'd be a godsend to the phins' D-backfield. If not, DJ Moore from Vandy would work. Late 2nd round...I like what I see as far as size/speed from CB Domonique Johnson from Jackson State (the former missouri transfer), and think he's going to move up into the second round once people start working him out and getting numbers on him. If we can go into camp next season with any of these three, I'll be smiling.



Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 16, 2008, 05:37:56 pm
I really hope Taylor Mays is around come our pick...but we would more likely have to trade up to get him...he looks like a top 10 pick...William Moore, S, Missouri  might drop to us and if he does I say we snatch him up....at 6-2, 220 he is a beast.  This would be my pick...here's a highlight reel of him from last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCGLk4mKnho&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCGLk4mKnho&NR=1)

I'd hate to spend a first round pick on a NT, but Terrence Cody, Alabama is an unbelievable beast and Ferguson isn't getting any younger....6-5, 365...his down side is only 1 year's worth of experience against top opposition as he transferred to Alabama before this season.

Come round 3, Coye Francies, CB, San Jose State looks good....6-2, 195lbs...4.4 speed or Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut...he's only 5-10, 187, but so are a lot of good CBs in the league.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Sunstroke on December 16, 2008, 06:00:08 pm
I really hope Taylor Mays is around come our pick...but we would more likely have to trade up to get him...he looks like a top 10 pick...

Yeah...I think Mays might even go too early for my Niners to grab him. I've watched 5-6 USC games this season, and I swear that he reminds me of a young Ed Reed. How could you NOT want someone like that in your defense?

I've heard lots of good things about William Moore, but only saw one Mizzou game this year, and he didn't stand out in that one, so I'll want to look at a lot more film of the guy.

Terrence Cody is definitely a stud, but I don't really want to spend a first rounder on a NT right now either...and hope Miami feels the same. Maybe BC's BJ Raji slides to the end of round 2?

Coye Francis would be a great late 3rd rounder as well...though he's another one that I think is going to move way up the boards once he starts working out for teams up close.



Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Sunstroke on December 20, 2008, 12:37:32 pm

Oddly enough, I checked out WalterFootball.com's 2009 mock for the first time this morning...it's one of the few that I give much credence to. They DO have Miami selecting 3 straight defensive backs. DJ Moore at #20, Alphonso Smith at #47 and S Kam Chancellor at #59.

Cue the twilight zone music... The two players they mocked for my Niners in the first two rounds are players I mentioned above... S Taylor Mays at #8 and NT BJ Raji at #42. As a diehard 49ers freak, I would have no problem at all with that pair of studs joining Patrick Willis on our defense.



Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 20, 2008, 12:53:01 pm
Yea when I was doing my research for the guys I mentioned, Walterfootball was one of the sites I checked among others...I get crazy about this time every year researching all the potential draft picks.

by the way, links to....

NFL Draft 2009 CB rankings...

http://walterfootball.com/draft2009CB.php (http://walterfootball.com/draft2009CB.php)

...and....

NFL Draft 2009 Safety rankings....

http://walterfootball.com/draft2009S.php (http://walterfootball.com/draft2009S.php)




Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: dolfan13 on December 20, 2008, 08:28:21 pm
eh, im never too excited about a safety in the first round (i'd prefer a cornerback), but... man ed reed is freaking incredible. he literally single handedly affects the entire passing game. i guess you could say the same for polamalu as well, though i think reed is a little better because he has better range.

anyway, if you can get a guy close to those two in the first round, it would be tough to pass up. although it's very difficult to precisely project successful college players to equal success in the nfl.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: fyo on December 21, 2008, 10:33:05 am
ed reed is freaking incredible. he literally single handedly affects the entire passing game. i guess you could say the same for polamalu as well, though i think reed is a little better because he has better range.

They're both great players, no question, but I do like Polamalu's tackling and run support. He also seems to have a lot more energy, which might fit certain defenses better.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: NADS on December 23, 2008, 08:06:11 pm
Nah, while not Pro bowl Calibur, Crowder does a more then adequate job. Remember...........Zach wasn't taken until the 6th round.  ;)  We need Mountain sized D Linemen in the make of Bowens and Gardner. Those guys helped Zach do what he did. If I remember correctly Zack bought his Dline Rolexs when he went to his first Probowl.

It's all true D.  We'd have to get into the whole 3-4 vs 4-3 thing talking about Zach and after the Chiefs game it's apparent Crowder is the best we have at LB.  Porter seems to be just a pass rusher at this point.  We still need a tackling machine other than Y. Bell on this team--preferably at LB.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 23, 2008, 09:33:00 pm
What we need to do is draft William Moore...having him and Bell (if he re-signs with us) back there would be awesome...Moore is big enough for run support, and the film I've seen on him, he likes contact...having him could help our run defense AND pass defense...look at the Bucs (though not lately...they've been playing kind of shitty)...Tanard Jackson and Jermaine Phillips are key reasons why their defense is so good, yet no one ever gives them credit (especially Jackson...that kid is a beast and was a steal for them)...both like contact and are good in run support...SIDE NOTE:  Phillips is a free agent after this year, and would look good in a phins jersey  ;D...we already have a decent run defense (10th in the league) and Moore would help our pass defense (25th in the league...ick), so I don't really think LB is the way to go...plus there are guys Coye Francies come the end of the 2nd round/3rd round that could give us a CB not named Goodman...I think all of our LBs are serviceable at the moment...we could always franchise Crowder (or Bell for that matter), and from what I hear, this it the year of the LB so we could get a good one in the second round where we have two picks...IMO having two good safeties is a pretty solid cornerstone for the rest of the secondary and defense in general...I would love for us to solidify our defense in this draft and free agency period...I'm a firm believer that defenses win championships...with a solid defense (who isn't performing too shabby this year), I think our offense is good enough to win games


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: JVides on December 24, 2008, 01:37:46 pm
Any big, nasty D-tackles out there projected for late first round?  Ferguson is 33, and Paul Soliai isn't exactly kicking ass and taking names.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 24, 2008, 02:50:14 pm
^^^

I really hope Taylor Mays is around come our pick...but we would more likely have to trade up to get him...he looks like a top 10 pick...William Moore, S, Missouri  might drop to us and if he does I say we snatch him up....at 6-2, 220 he is a beast.  This would be my pick...here's a highlight reel of him from last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCGLk4mKnho&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCGLk4mKnho&NR=1)
I'd hate to spend a first round pick on a NT, but Terrence Cody, Alabama is an unbelievable beast and Ferguson isn't getting any younger....6-5, 365...his down side is only 1 year's worth of experience against top opposition as he transferred to Alabama before this season.

Come round 3, Coye Francies, CB, San Jose State looks good....6-2, 195lbs...4.4 speed or Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut...he's only 5-10, 187, but so are a lot of good CBs in the league.

He's expected to go late 1st round


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 04, 2009, 08:24:31 pm
BUMP

Now that our football season is over, we can look ahead to the next best thing...the 2009 NFL Draft.

As I said earlier, William Moore would be a steal for us...but now with the phins recent success, it doesn't look like he will slip that far...I looked at a few mock drafts and came up with these guys in our current position....

Victor Harris, CB, Virginia Tech....6 ft 194 lbs...very physical corner who isn't afraid to tackle

D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt...5 ft 10 in...184 lbs...under 4.4 speedI've mentioned him before...and if we wanted him, we might need him to slip a few spots or trade up a spot or two...also a physical corner who led his team in tackles...Harris and Moore both are talented kick returners

Trevard Lindley, CB, Kentucky...6 ft....175 lbs...it might be a stretch for him because he is projected late 1st early 2nd round....under 4.4 speed...durable (has yet to miss a game since starting after his redshirt year)...2nd on team with tackles, so isn't afraid to get physical...might need to bulk up a bit to be an NFL corner

Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois...6 ft...204 lbs...my favorite choice out of the four CBs mentioned...has the size and speed (under 4.4)...may need him to slip a couple of spots or trade up for him...I think it would be worth it...he is also the younger brother of Vernon Davis, TE for SF 49ers...has unbelievable strength for a corner and may do better as a safety

Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State  ...I'm not even going to mention stats for him...he'll be the top CB in the draft and we won't even get a chance to pick him....top ten CB

....and that's just choices for the first round...I'll post some more picks for the second and third rounds later...plus all of this could change after the combine.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Sunstroke on January 04, 2009, 08:32:56 pm

If we use two of our picks in rds 1-2 on DBs, I honestly don't need to have the first pick go that route. There are always one or two extremely talented players that slide in round one for some reason or other and if Miami were to, say, grab a blue chip LB or DL that slides, and then target both 2nd rounders on DBs...grooviness grande.

We need DBs, we need WR help (no disrespect to Camarillo, Bess or Ginn), we need LB help and we could stand to add some more prime beef on both lines.

I love this time of year...



Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 04, 2009, 08:37:43 pm
I just hope we get a stud safety in this draft somewhere...Hill is worst thing about our secondary


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 04, 2009, 08:51:32 pm
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1619 (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1619)


Nic Harris Scouting Report
 
Position:    SS
School & Year/Status:    Oklahoma - Senior
Height & Weight:    6'3 - 230 lbs.
Ranked #39 on our Top 100 Prospects Board

2009 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
person
Nic Harris, SS, Oklahoma
Nic Harris is a big, hard-hitting safety who has given nightmares to Big 12 opponents. It started when he was a freshman and earned some starts at free safety. A year later Harris was playing corner and ended the season back at free safety, where he led the team in interceptions and started to show just how good he could be. By his junior campaign, Harris was earning all-conference accolades from just about everybody

At 6-3 and 230 pounds, Harris is a big safety. Yet, his foot speed does not suffer due to his size. Harris does a great job getting into the backfield and he is always a candidate to blitz out of the secondary. During the 2007 season he recorded 9.5 tackles-for-loss and 3.5 sacks. Harris is not known for his coverage abilities, but he is not bad at it. Besides leading the team in 2006 with four interceptions, he tallied two in 2007 and broke up seven passes.

Harris might not have the pure athleticism and talent of some of the great safeties that have played in the NFL, but he is a solid player and low risk selection. For now he is likely a mid-round selection, but Harris can move his stock up quite a bit with a good senior season and a decent showing at the combine.

12/17 Update: Harris had a solid senior campaign, but did not put up eye popping numbers. He tallied 64 tackles, including three for a loss, but did not get a sack or an interception all year long. The Sooners defense had other playmakers to rack up the sacks and interceptions and Harris did what the team needed him to do. Despite the lack of flashy numbers, Harris still earned AP third-team All-America accolades.


We should get this guy...he's big enough to play LB and might be a second or third round pick



Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Sunstroke on January 05, 2009, 02:28:10 am

I am crossing my fingers for the 49ers to select Taylor Mays to address their problems at safety...

I think a top shelf safety is a godsend to a D...it allows you to do so many things, scheme and coverage-wise with the same players on the field, and disguising what you're doing on D is always a good thing.



Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Crabby440 on January 05, 2009, 01:35:42 pm
i want Tebow and Percy Harvin


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 05, 2009, 03:51:38 pm
i want Tebow and Percy Harvin

Tebow would be awesome for our team...but we don't need him and, most likely, will be picked up before we get a shot at him.

Percy Harvin = Ted Ginn 2.0
We don't need another one of those...plus he isn't all that durable.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: StL FinFan on January 05, 2009, 04:02:28 pm
If the Dolphins draft another QB, it will not be in the early rounds.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Rick on January 05, 2009, 04:04:25 pm
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1619 (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1619)


Nic Harris Scouting Report
 
Position:    SS
School & Year/Status:    Oklahoma - Senior
Height & Weight:    6'3 - 230 lbs.
Ranked #39 on our Top 100 Prospects Board

2009 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
person
Nic Harris, SS, Oklahoma
Nic Harris is a big, hard-hitting safety who has given nightmares to Big 12 opponents. It started when he was a freshman and earned some starts at free safety. A year later Harris was playing corner and ended the season back at free safety, where he led the team in interceptions and started to show just how good he could be. By his junior campaign, Harris was earning all-conference accolades from just about everybody

At 6-3 and 230 pounds, Harris is a big safety. Yet, his foot speed does not suffer due to his size. Harris does a great job getting into the backfield and he is always a candidate to blitz out of the secondary. During the 2007 season he recorded 9.5 tackles-for-loss and 3.5 sacks. Harris is not known for his coverage abilities, but he is not bad at it. Besides leading the team in 2006 with four interceptions, he tallied two in 2007 and broke up seven passes.

Harris might not have the pure athleticism and talent of some of the great safeties that have played in the NFL, but he is a solid player and low risk selection. For now he is likely a mid-round selection, but Harris can move his stock up quite a bit with a good senior season and a decent showing at the combine.

12/17 Update: Harris had a solid senior campaign, but did not put up eye popping numbers. He tallied 64 tackles, including three for a loss, but did not get a sack or an interception all year long. The Sooners defense had other playmakers to rack up the sacks and interceptions and Harris did what the team needed him to do. Despite the lack of flashy numbers, Harris still earned AP third-team All-America accolades.


We should get this guy...he's big enough to play LB and might be a second or third round pick


I would LOVE if Miami drafted S Nic Harris.... I have watched Harris play at OU for the last 4 years and he is a big-time ball hawk S.... Nic is also a very hard hitter (which I love about him)....if the Phins can grab Harris at the right # pick, I think he could help improve the secondary.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: fyo on January 06, 2009, 05:46:42 am
(reposted in the right thread)

This thread intersects with the "Pennington or Henne" thread quite a bit, from my perspective.

Pennington is a great player. Average physical skills, but in every regular season game he knew his limits and stayed within them. That made him our uncontested Most Valuable Player this year.

The PROBLEM with Pennington is that our play selection is fairly limited. Opposing defenses can shift their linebackers towards the middle because Pennington simply cannot zip a ball to an out route. The safeties can move up towards the line of scrimmage because Pennington's long passes have insane hang times.

The result is that our running game is stifled.

Henne could change that, although I doubt he would do as well as Pennington (overall) next season, so the question is, do you draft for life WITH Pennington or do you draft for life AFTER him.

If you want to be as good as possible WITH Pennington, we need a better pass-catching tight end (Fasano is good, but not great), a physical slot receiver (Bess is OK, but we need someone more physical) and some serious heft at O-line and FB to dominate on short runs, even when the opposing team has 8 in the box.

For life AFTER Pennington, I think we need to focus on pass-protection from our O-line. I'm actually fairly happy with our receiver situation in that case - sure, draft someone, but don't spend a first-day pick on it. With more options in the passing game (more routes, not better receivers), Fasano should suffice at tight end, but we need a tall receiver to provide a BIG, easy target for our young quarterback. Someone should be available in the latter rounds for that.

On defense, I can only agree with pretty much everyone. Safety is a huge position of need and a playmaker there could open up a lot of possibilities for our defense. A great cornerback on day 1 would be nice, but the d-line needs some improvement as well. In a 3-4, some of the traditional d-line duties fall on the linebackers, so an upgrade there might work as well. Opposing teams have had great success running at our left side (Langford and Crowder - "end arounds" to our left have NOT been killing us - an indication Roth has been solid). Jason Ferguson is 34, so Solai needs to be seriously evaluated.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 09, 2009, 12:06:54 am
So after the UF/OU game I am set that we need to draft Nic Harris...guy played his heart out tonight and played pretty damn good...not too many safeties out their that can stand up Tebow.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: MaineDolFan on January 09, 2009, 12:15:27 pm
I want another lankly, skinny, fast WR with bad hands.  And his family.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: stinkfish on January 09, 2009, 01:43:04 pm
Percy Harvin


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on January 09, 2009, 03:27:56 pm
I want another short, skinny, fast WR with bad hands and an inability of going over the middle for fear of getting hit.  And his family.

I edited your post a little there Maine.  I hope you don't mind.   ;D ;D



Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 10, 2009, 07:54:02 pm
For all you you hollering for a nosetackle...how about these guys?

Sammie Lee Hill, Stillman
Height: 6-4. Weight: 330.
Projected 40 Time: 5.23.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.
2007: Sammie Lee Hill had 14 TFL and 4.5 sacks as a junior.


Myron Pryor, Kentucky
Height: 6-1. Weight: 309.
Projected 40 Time: 5.05.
Projected Round (2009): 5-6.
1/10/09: Thanks to 11 TFL and 4.5 sacks, Myron Pryor was elected to the All-SEC Second Team.


Nader Abdallah, Ohio State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 310.
Projected 40 Time: 4.96.
Projected Round (2009): 7.
1/10/09: Finished with five TFL, three passes broken up and a sack.


Antonio Dixon, Miami
Height: 6-3. Weight: 328.
Projected 40 Time: 5.30.
Projected Round (2009): 7-FA.
11/23/08: Antonio Dixon has struggled coming off his knee injury, but will get some consideration because of his size.

5/9/08: A monstrous nose tackle who was a third-round prospect on this chart until he suffered a knee injury last season.

2007: Antonio Dixon started two games as a sophomore, recording 14 tackles. One of the largest run-stuffers in this class.


All information from...
http://walterfootball.com/draft2009DT.php


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 10, 2009, 07:58:02 pm
I know there are a lot of Selvie haters on this board, but when I saw this, it made me very happy...hope it happens!  One of the many mock drafts on this site.

Miami Dolphins: George Selvie, DE/OLB, South Florida
Geirge Selvie's stock should be on the rise against after the Combine, where he might catch Tony Sparano's eye with his size and speed. This team really has no upside in terms of a pass rush (since Joey Porter is old). Eric Norwood would have been the pick here if he did not return to school.


http://walterfootball.com/draft2009matt.php


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on January 10, 2009, 08:01:06 pm
I know there are a lot of Selvie haters on this board, but when I saw this, it made me very happy...hope it happens!  One of the many mock drafts on this site.

Miami Dolphins: George Selvie, DE/OLB, South Florida
Geirge Selvie's stock should be on the rise against after the Combine, where he might catch Tony Sparano's eye with his size and speed. This team really has no upside in terms of a pass rush (since Joey Porter is old). Eric Norwood would have been the pick here if he did not return to school.


http://walterfootball.com/draft2009matt.php

Selvie would not be a good fit in Miami's system.  He's used to the 4-3, and Miami runs a 3-4.  If they draft him, he better learn to play OLB. 

After seeing Baltimore and Tennessee go at it today, I agree that pass rushing should be the Dolphins top priority.  But they need to pick the right guy.  Selvie aint it.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 10, 2009, 08:08:51 pm
Selvie would not be a good fit in Miami's system.  He's used to the 4-3, and Miami runs a 3-4.  If they draft him, he better learn to play OLB. 

After seeing Baltimore and Tennessee go at it today, I agree that pass rushing should be the Dolphins top priority.  But they need to pick the right guy.  Selvie aint it.

I've followed his college career pretty closely and I do think he is "it".  The guy can pass rush as an OLB and is good against the run...plus I've seen him in zone/blitz schemes so know he can cover...did anyone think Roth would do well as a 3-4 OLB?  He wasn't lights out, but he was decent, and I think Selvie would be even better....He's perfect size, speed, and skill set for a 3-4 OLB.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: DolFan619 on January 15, 2009, 07:51:12 pm
  OLB Clint Sintim, University of Virginia.


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: BingeBag on January 20, 2009, 10:35:39 pm
Thought: We already have Percey Harvin on our roster. We don't need another. If you think we need someone else can do flys or be our 15th running back than you're crazy.

They DO have Miami selecting 3 straight defensive backs. DJ Moore at #20, Alphonso Smith at #47 and S Kam Chancellor at #59.

If we snatch Alphonso Smith, I will be so pumped! That would be a steal. I think he is going to be a shutdown player in the NFL. I like Macho Harris a lot too. I would be really excited for either.

why do you say that?

Size, injury issues, strength of o-line's that he has faced.

 


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 21, 2009, 04:40:52 pm
Sean Smith, CB/S, Utah 

Expected to go in the 2nd round.

Check out this INT...amazing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9M2w9m320k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9M2w9m320k)


Title: Re: Who should the dolphins pick in the next draft
Post by: Bradys3Rings on April 06, 2009, 09:29:57 am
does miami really need another safety?  didn't bell resign?  didn't jason allen get shifted to the other safety position?  i think you're pretty okay at safety, i don't know if i would be looking for safety depth in the second round.  corner is still a need for you and all linebacking positions as well.  roth looks lost out there at times.  i know he's new to the position but come on.  miami's pass rush SUCKS.  flat out sucks.  you need a speedster passing rushing OLB.