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Title: Heisman Trophy Post by: landlocked on December 09, 2008, 06:30:58 am OK,I know not everyone is a college football fan,and we all know that the Heisman is not always about who is the best player,but who would you vote for this year......and who do you think will actually win?
I'm a shameless homer and would vote for Tebow,but I think Colt McCoy from Texas wins. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: stinkfish on December 09, 2008, 07:30:24 am I'm betting that Oklahoma's QB wins, but Teebow should get a few votes.
Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on December 09, 2008, 08:58:47 am I'm going with Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford. Tebow will probably finish second, and Colt McCoy third.
Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: StL FinFan on December 09, 2008, 09:59:37 am Bradford
Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: bsmooth on December 09, 2008, 10:08:30 am I'm going with Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford. Tebow will probably finish second, and Colt McCoy third. QFT. It will be hard for the voters to overlook the offense this kid has ammassed leading this team. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: stinkfish on December 09, 2008, 04:25:21 pm I'm going with Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford. Tebow will probably finish second, and Colt McCoy third. I'm thinking that it'll be Tebow third, not mcCoy.Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: DolFan619 on December 09, 2008, 05:25:01 pm Colt McCoy should win the Heisman.
Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: Rick on December 09, 2008, 06:28:19 pm Heisman Winner- Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners
Runner-Up- Tim Tebow, Florida Gators Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: Dave Gray on December 09, 2008, 11:20:01 pm I think that Tebow has no chance.
Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: NADS on December 10, 2008, 02:25:22 am Tebow because the SEC gets more exposure. Archie can't be the only one to win it twice forever. Also, I don't know how well Tebow would do in the NFL as a quarterback so that fits the Heisman mold.
Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: Rick on December 13, 2008, 09:11:53 pm Woo Hoo.... Sam Bradford just won the Heisman trophy! He REALLY deserved this award....On January 8th Sam and the Sooners will have a National Championship to go along with his Heisman. ;)
GO OU SOONERS!!!! Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: MaineDolFan on December 14, 2008, 01:27:59 am I think that Tebow has no chance. What is complete BS. He won it last year and is having a better year this year. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: Dave Gray on December 14, 2008, 04:18:26 am I still don't understand what the Heisman trophy is for. They don't really explain what it is.
Is it the BEST player, the MVP, etc. Those are synonymous. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on December 14, 2008, 08:03:24 am What is complete BS. He won it last year and is having a better year this year. But someone else is having a better year than him. I still don't understand what the Heisman trophy is for. They don't really explain what it is. Is it the BEST player, the MVP, etc. Those are synonymous. Best overall player in college football. But usually it goes to a QB or RB. I've seen WR's win it a couple times, and only once have I seen it go to someone on defense. Here's a thread that I posted a couple years ago about Heisman winners and how they do in the NFL: http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=9086.0 Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: Dphins4me on December 14, 2008, 08:47:26 am I still don't understand what the Heisman trophy is for. They don't really explain what it is. The Heisman is not for the best player in college football, but the best offensive skills position.Is it the BEST player, the MVP, etc. Those are synonymous. Besides the ESPN campaign to get Woodson the award it goes to one of three positions QB, RB or Wr. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: Dphins4me on December 14, 2008, 08:48:18 am What is complete BS. He won it last year and is having a better year this year. Is someone else having a better year than him this year?Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: Dphins4me on December 14, 2008, 08:49:00 am Its gotta blow for Tebow to have the most 1st place votes & come in 3rd.
Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: MaineDolFan on December 14, 2008, 11:22:37 am Is someone else having a better year than him this year? That isn't a bad point. Tebow started slow which killed him in the voting. I don't think the winner was undeserving, I should have been more clear on that. But for Tebow to come in third was a "you've won it once, we'll give the glory to someone else" snub. If that's the case they should disqualify underclassmen who win the award from a possible repeat. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: Rick on December 14, 2008, 02:27:27 pm Sam Bradford- Oklahoma Sophomore QB- 302/442 4464 yards 48 TD 6 int, 5 rush TD 9 sacks
Colt McCoy- Texas Junior QB- 291/375 3445 yards 32 TD 7 int, 576 rush yds 10 rush TD 20 sacks Tim Tebow- Florida Junior QB- 174/268 2515 yards 28 TD 2 int, 564 rush yards 12 rush TD 15 sacks I think the Heisman voters made the right choie. ;) Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: Dphins4me on December 14, 2008, 03:42:59 pm Sam Bradford- Oklahoma Sophomore QB- 302/442 4464 yards 48 TD 6 int, 5 rush TD 9 sacks Its truly hard to gauge this type stuff when you factor in whom a team plays. I think the SEC is by far the tougher place to play.Colt McCoy- Texas Junior QB- 291/375 3445 yards 32 TD 7 int, 576 rush yds 10 rush TD 20 sacks Tim Tebow- Florida Junior QB- 174/268 2515 yards 28 TD 2 int, 564 rush yards 12 rush TD 15 sacks I think the Heisman voters made the right choie. ;) Can't argue against Bradford, but we will find out in a few weeks. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: MaineDolFan on December 14, 2008, 04:06:58 pm ^You're right. I don't think it matters what happens in the bowl game, either. It should be based upon how you carried yourself during the regular season. I think I was penciling in Tebow for the exact reasons I stated he shouldn't be penciled out. That goes both ways, yes?
Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: bsmooth on December 14, 2008, 04:44:09 pm That isn't a bad point. Tebow started slow which killed him in the voting. I don't think the winner was undeserving, I should have been more clear on that. But for Tebow to come in third was a "you've won it once, we'll give the glory to someone else" snub. If that's the case they should disqualify underclassmen who win the award from a possible repeat. Colt probably got some sympathy votes due to the fact Texas is out of the NC as opposed to just because Tebow won before. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: BingeBag on December 14, 2008, 04:46:28 pm Well, if you completely throw the numbers out this year, I would have had to go with Colt. The guy came up big in all of the games including the Texas Tech loss. Although, Bradford's numbers were undeniable. He was just too efficient against some big teams texas/textech/okstate for the award to go elsewhere.
Graham Harrell should have been a lot closer to this pack, the voters are stupid. The Texas game this year was one of the single best performances of the last couple of years. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on December 14, 2008, 08:24:15 pm Well, if you completely throw the numbers out this year, I would have had to go with Colt. The guy came up big in all of the games including the Texas Tech loss. Although, Bradford's numbers were undeniable. He was just too efficient against some big teams texas/textech/okstate for the award to go elsewhere. Graham Harrell should have been a lot closer to this pack, the voters are stupid. The Texas game this year was one of the single best performances of the last couple of years. Which is the problem I have with the Heisman.... one bad game (Harrell vs OU), and you're Heisman chances are pretty much slim to none. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 15, 2008, 10:02:34 am I don't put too much stock in the award.
Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Ron Dayne have all had less than steller NFL success. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: Phishfan on December 15, 2008, 11:29:10 am I don't put too much stock in the award. Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Ron Dayne have all had less than steller NFL success. The award is not intended to be a NFL projection. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 15, 2008, 12:02:01 pm The award is not intended to be a NFL projection. I understand that. And I don't think the award should track neatly with being the first pick overall in the draft. But I think there is a flaw in any award when you are saying this is the best player in all of college football and he can't earn himself a spot on special teams while his peers get drafted and can play at an NFL level. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: pintofguinness14 on December 15, 2008, 01:30:07 pm I understand that. And I don't think the award should track neatly with being the first pick overall in the draft. But I think there is a flaw in any award when you are saying this is the best player in all of college football and he can't earn himself a spot on special teams while his peers get drafted and can play at an NFL level. If the award was intended to predict NFL success, Michael Crabtree would have won. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: Phishfan on December 15, 2008, 02:33:44 pm I understand that. And I don't think the award should track neatly with being the first pick overall in the draft. But I think there is a flaw in any award when you are saying this is the best player in all of college football and he can't earn himself a spot on special teams while his peers get drafted and can play at an NFL level. There is no flaw in that. The NFL and college football are completely different beasts. One can most certainly be the best player at the college level but not make the grade at the NFL level and they should most certainly be awarded as such if they are. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: Dave Gray on December 15, 2008, 04:57:10 pm Best overall player in college football. I don't really know that I agree with this. What if the best player at his position is a kicker, like the year that Janikowski was so far superior to every other kicker. Did he have a shot at winning? Also, when you're a great safety, they just don't throw to your side. It impacts the game, but there aren't numbers to show for it. When you're a great lineman, your stat is "not sacks". I just wish that the Heisman was an award more clearly defined. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: landlocked on December 15, 2008, 05:56:48 pm Any of the three young men were worthy.While one can't argue with Bradford's numbers,I think Colt McCoy is a better qb when you compare his receivers with the talent that Bradford was surrounded by all season.That being said I still think that Tim Tebow is the best player in college football,bar none,and is the most valuable to his team.And,quite possibly,the finest human being on the face of the planet.
Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: StL FinFan on December 15, 2008, 06:10:11 pm And,quite possibly,the finest human being on the face of the planet. Really? He plays football. Not exactly life altering for most people. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: Phishfan on December 15, 2008, 06:15:46 pm ^^^ It goes further than that. I haven't heard anything negative about Tebow and have indeed heard plenty of good stories, such as being an invited speaker at prisons.
Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: StL FinFan on December 15, 2008, 06:29:39 pm It does not make him the finest human being on the planet, just a good person.
Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on December 15, 2008, 07:04:42 pm I don't put too much stock in the award. Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Ron Dayne have all had less than steller NFL success. Read the link to my old thread. I did a post shortly after Reggie Bush won it. The Heisman definitely does not guarantee success at the NFL level. It's possible to have success in college without having the tools to make it in the NFL. Take Gino Torretta and Danny Wuerffel for example. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: Denver_Bronco on December 16, 2008, 03:45:26 pm Joe Thees-man!
Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: BingeBag on December 16, 2008, 04:04:12 pm Read the link to my old thread. I did a post shortly after Reggie Bush won it. The Heisman definitely does not guarantee success at the NFL level. It's possible to have success in college without having the tools to make it in the NFL. Take Gino Torretta and Danny Wuerffel for example. Bradford is going to be a stud in the NFL. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: landlocked on December 16, 2008, 08:36:32 pm Really? He plays football. Not exactly life altering for most people. Actually I was saying that kind of tongue in cheek,referring to all of the ultra-positive media stories about the guy.But he is a great kid from everything I've seen and heard about him,and a fine positive example in this world of thug "student athletes"that can barely speak the english language.I wish college football had more guys like Tebow and Myron Rolle(FSU safety that is a Rhodes Scholar and future brain surgeon)Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on December 16, 2008, 09:58:18 pm Bradford is going to be a stud in the NFL. What makes you say that? His predecessors (Josh Heupel and Jason White) were putting up gaudy numbers, but they tanked in the NFL Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: BingeBag on December 16, 2008, 11:56:23 pm What makes you say that? His predecessors (Josh Heupel and Jason White) were putting up gaudy numbers, but they tanked in the NFL He is a purebred. He is going top 5, not a single doubt in my mind. He is everything that you would want in a college quarterback and the only problem is that he is going to be competing with an equally ridiculously talented quarterback in Stafford which may push him down from number 1 (I'll give the purely tangible nudge to Stafford). If memory serves, Heupel was a last round pick, and Jason White never showed up on anybody's radar and went undrafted. These guys don't even come close to comparing to Bradford in NFL projections. Edit: upon further research, we can see that Bradford is projected as the #2 pick overall. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft What's the chances the Lions don't pick a QB at #1? Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 17, 2008, 12:19:55 am He is a purebred. He is going top 5, not a single doubt in my mind. He is everything that you would want in a college quarterback and the only problem is that he is going to be competing with an equally ridiculously talented quarterback in Stafford which may push him down from number 1 (I'll give the purely tangible nudge to Stafford). If memory serves, Heupel was a last round pick, and Jason White never showed up on anybody's radar and went undrafted. These guys don't even come close to comparing to Bradford in NFL projections. Edit: upon further research, we can see that Bradford is projected as the #2 pick overall. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft What's the chances the Lions don't pick a QB at #1? I see they are projecting the Patriots to pick Russell Okung. I am not sure if tackle is really our biggest area of need. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: BingeBag on December 17, 2008, 11:41:55 pm I see they are projecting the Patriots to pick Russell Okung. I am not sure if tackle is really our biggest area of need. subtle, i'll give you that. Title: Re: Heisman Trophy Post by: run_to_win on December 20, 2008, 02:08:10 am I wish college football had more guys like Tebow and Myron Rolle(FSU safety that is a Rhodes Scholar and future brain surgeon) Agreed.I didn't know that Fayetteville State University even had a football program. |