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is the softest WR in the league. The guy just does not like to get hit. He falls down instead of trying for extra yardage, and alters routes so he doesnt get hit. Its been two years of this glorified kick/punt returner. Its been two years of seeing the same crap. Its not about talent its about heart and toughness and he does not have it! He needs to be returned to his kick/punt returner role and thats it. Let Camarillo and Bess play out there in 2009.

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He was our leading receiver this year.  He contributed lots of big plays.

Seriously, I was named the dumbest poster on this board yesterday, but you're giving me a run for my money

He does have a point about Ginn being soft...but not sure anyone expected him to be anything BUT soft. Small-fast deep threat WRs are rarely the bruiser types, and as long as Teddy-G can continue developing as a WR (and I saw definite signs of improvement overall this year), I'm not going to bust his balls too much about it. Hell, I'd prefer he DIDN'T take too many big hits, because I don't believe his body can take too many of them without breaking.

i think you are safe. 

i have never liked ginn.. we need a taller WR that can catch and stay on his feet

...and boy howdy, are there some good ones in this draft class. 2nd round or 3rd, and I think you can get a quality receiver. If we spend one of our two second rounders on one, we could land a Hakeem Nicks from North Carolina, or a Kenny Britt from Rutgers. If we spend the earlier of the two second rounders, we could even wish for a Jeremy Maclin out of Mizzou.

Want to wait on a WR? I'll bet you can get Darius Passmore from Marshall in round 4 this year, and though he needs to add a little meat (6'3" 195 lbs), he is tall, runs a 4.4, and has excellent hands and ability to catch the ball in traffic. Maybe Mohamed Massaquoi from Georgia (6'2, 203 lbs) in round 4 as well.

I really hope either the 49ers or Dolphins get either Maclin or Nicks...I really like both those receivers, and wouldn't mind being able to cheer for one of them next season. ;)

I hope J-Mac stays in school!  :)

Funny you mentioned Nicks.  When I saw the ESPN ticker say he was going pro, I started salivating over the possibilities of him being in aqua and orange.  The guy is not a Randy Moss, but his size is up there.  He is fast, runs great routes, is a playmaker, and is not afraid of going over the middle and taking a hit.  All this guy did was break every school record at UNC for receiving yards and TD's.

Seriously,  you hate him  or you like him.    ::) ::)

You forgot to add that he may have the best wide receiver name ever.

He weighs about a buck 60.

Who does?

  Isn't that what coaches teach in the NFL.  Get what you can get & then get down.  Don't take the extra hit(s) because that leads to injuries or fumbles.

NFLJunkie is that you?

  What does height have to do with anything?   

MiamiE is mostly right in his first post on this thread, but it doesn't mean Ginn is useless.  He is more of a deep threat guy on a team that isn't designed to go deep.  In my mind, Ginn is a different player in a situation where you have a big arm QB and some reasonable protection.  We don't have that right now but you can see that Henne and our O-line improvements are going that direction.

With that said, Ginn should have never been drafted where he was or anywhere close to it.  He will always take some hits for that and he is overpaid because of it.  In the NFL, he isn't even all that great of a return guy.  He makes a decent number 2 or 3 receiver. 

Perhaps we can get someone who is Andre Johnson like and give Henne a little more time for things to line up for his success and we will really have something to cheer about.

Yeah, Passmore is a good one, no doubt.

I'm waiting for the 2010 draft, when Notre Dame WR Golden Tate comes out. I've loved that name since he was in HS. He is an amazing young WR too...over 1000 yards and 10 TDs for the Irish as a sophomore this year. The same year Golden Tate came out of HS, there was a very highly rated prep QB that I was praying would go to the same school as Tate, but Willie Korn went to Clemson instead. Can you imagine a few years of "Willie Korn to Golden Tate" connections?  Sweeeeet!!

You should check some of the post history about Ginn on this website as a lot of people agree with you.

Ginn finally had a decent season. But he has HARDLY shown he is worth the 9th overall pick in the draft and worthy of a $20,000,000 contract. If he keeps going the way he is he is in for the biggest Paycheck cut since the Detroit Automakers. But he showed flashes of brillance, I feel WAYYYYY more optimistic about him at the end of this season then I did Last. Maybe he is just a late bloomer like TO?

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Post after Post   Ted Ginn hate.  People, Give the guy some props, While he may not end up being HOF material or the #1 guy, the man has great speed and catching ability.  How many time you saw him have the case of the dropsies like Derek "waste" Hagan.  I understand that the Hate will always be there cause of his draft ststus, but its not his fault.  Camoron yeah yeah  oKOK its freakin Over Lets all move on form this crap and look forward to how his career grows.  I still believe he can be  Good dependable WR in this league!

Think of it this way, if we cut him, how many other teams do you think would pick him up immediately?  I think this next year will be his year.  He's gotten better every year.

Third year WRs are in prime "breakout" territory, but I'm not so confident in Ginn doing that.

Sorry, but that's just how I see him at this point.

^ Unfortunately, that's how I feel.  I'm not a hater, just a realist. 

I have to agree as well.   And again, it's Cam CaMORON's fault for drafting him so high.  He would've slid into the second round easily. 

Let's look at it this way.

If we had drafted Brady Quinn in 2007, we would probably not have gotten Pennington, so picking Ginn was actually a good move

Come on, now...you cannot assume how other picks/additions would be affected by drafting Quinn in that slot. You also can't assume that if we had drafted Quinn, that he wouldn't have developed to the point where we wouldn't be concerning ourselves with Pennington, as we'd have our now-and-future QB already under center and rolling.

Expending a #9 overall pick in that draft class on Ted Ginn was a "bad" move, no matter how anyone spins "what if?" scenarios off it. His talent, and what he can contribute to the offense, is not commensurate with that draft slot. When you have a top-10 pick (give or take a few, depending on top end prospect depth in that draft class), you have to grab an anchor-type impact player. You get your solid #2 WRs (which is all I see Ginn developing into) and return men later...a good bit later. I sure hope Ginn continues to improve and develop, but I don't expect he'll ever justify that #9 pick.

Just out of curiousity

What would Ginn have to do to silence you guys who just continue to bash him?

He contributed more than his share of big plays this year, especially in the biggest game of the year

56 catches is pretty good, especially in a run-oriented offense.

So we got 56 catches from our lottery pick, and 54 from our undrafted FA rookie... Please reread my post for what I want out of Ginn to justify that draft slot.

And, just for the record, calling a #2 caliber WR a #2 caliber WR isn't bashing him, it's accurately assessing him.

Just to add what Stroke said...
Ted Ginn
16 games played
14 started
56 catches
790 yards 2 Td's
36 first downs

Devone Bess
16 Games played
6 started
54 catches
554 yards 1 Tds
29 first downs

Greg Camarillo
11 games played
11 games started
55 catches
613 yards 2 Tds
31 first downs

A month or so ago ( after the season) .... I read some comments from Sparano about Ginn. He said Ginn is progressing nicely and people need to get off of his back. He said Ginn is doing everything asked of him and then went on to point out how Ginn draws coverages that open the other guys up. So using other statistics of recievers on this team really isn't fair to him.


Ok a quick Google but i didn't find the exact article.  This one is close.

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2009/02/sparano-get-off-ginn.html


All you Ted Ginn Jr. haters need to listen up.

Miami Dolphins head coach Tony Sparano, a tough guy of all tough guys, a coach who doesn't throw around praise very often, wants you to ease up on the former Ohio State standout the last regime took with the No. 9 pick in the 2007 draft.

"From day one I've been involved with him, he's worked hard and gotten better and better. He's really learned how to be a solid pro," Sparano said. "[Ginn] made some of the big plays this year you want some of those first line receivers to make. He's getting better and better that way."

According to Sparano, Ginn loves to take coaching, and because he's receptive the Dolphins expect more growth in his third season, which is the year receiver make the biggest leap.

"Ted knows he's got room to get better right now," Sparano said. "We make [special teams] decisions. It's not Ted's fault [he was pulled off the unit]. When you look at the big picture and see the big plays Ted did make during the course of the season, this guy had two kick returns called back. Look at the big balls he's caught, and the big games he's had. Without Ted we don't have a chance to be where we were.

Ginn did lead the team in receptions, but a lot of times he was select for large portions of the game because he was running deep routes to clear out the secondary for the rest of the offense to work.

"We finished in the top 10 in offense [last] year and we don't have any stars in that group. Everybody knows that. Dan Henning and our offensive staff did a tremendous job of spreading the ball around and getting it to our people," Sparano said. "Is it important to have one [an elite receiver], yeah. But I've been in some situations where we've not had that guy and not finished in the top ten in offense so I like where we are. They are unselfish. If you get that piece, great. Better hope it fits. But if you don't, we're prepared to go without it."

After reading this do you still feel upgrading the receiver spot is a necessity, or is it a luxury?

Hey, CF...I seem to recall Sparano and Ireland saying really nice things about John Beck as well.

Just sayin'...