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Has Parcells done anything that you have disagreed with and think was a bad move, thus far?

I think that the move to get rid of Hudson Houck was selfish.  He had done a good job with the line, and it might've been good to not have everyone on the team be "one of your guys".

I think that hurt us this year.

Signing Wilford, but hindsight is 20/20 on that one.

I'd have to say drafting two running backs in the late rounds when other needs were more glaring.

I have trouble faulting late round draft picks.  You aren't drafting for need at that point.  You're looking for athletes, special teams contributors, diamonds in the rough, etc.  Most of those guys won't be on the team anyway.

Coming off a 1-15 season, every pick should be for need.  Just my opinion.

Firing Houck and signing Wilford.

At that point in time, one could argue RB was a need. I think they had other areas of need, but back in April, no one knew for sure how Ronnie was going to play a year after a major knee operation, and who knew if Parcells would get along with pothead. I think the draft was before they had the public lovefest they now have.

Following on from this excellent point, given that we were aiming for a heavy run first ball control offense, running backs were definately an area of need, especially given our QB woes at the time.

McCown?

Of course no one knew that C.P. was gonna be let go, and it never really affected Miami on the field, but seriously, McCown was the best (veteran) QB available at the time?  :-\  Money down the drain...

I agree with Houck, too.

Not necessarily money down the drain.  Keep in mind they traded him to Carolina before the preseason ended, so they were only on the hook for a small portion of this year in his contract, plus his signing bonus if he got one.

Jalen Parmele

Depending on what their plan is with Brown after the '09 season. Don't be surprised if you get one in Rd. 2 or 3 this year.

  Ernest Wilford is probably the worst.  However, their first free agent class as a whole is pretty much a stinker.

They traded for some quality players, though. Ferguson especially should get a large chunk of credit for the season outcome. Fasano was a very important player as well.

Justin Smiley was a free agent acquisition and did pretty well.

Carpenter was an undrafted rookie free agent. Pretty solid pickup there.

And then there's Pennington, of course, who was cut by the Jets and picked up by Parcells.

Not a lot of really good, affordable players reach free agency. Those who become free agents are either looking for a big chunk of money or just weren't good enough.

Wilford of course.........but they can't all be Gems.

The one area were I think he made a Huge Mistake was cutting Zack Thomas. Our defense would have been much better for it. 

Wilford, in hindsight, looks like the worst move.

But, preseason, he was supposed to be our veteran presence and #1 WR on a VERY young WR corps.  Ginn, Camarillo, Bess, London, all these guys are young and inexperienced.  Wilford was supposed to be the rock.

Too bad he sucks balls.

The playoff game against the Ravens, the team only dressed 3 WR's for the game: Ginn, Bess, and London.  What does that say when you'd rather go out there with Patrick Cobbs as your #4 WR and leave Wilford inactive?

There's no way, pre-season, that Parcells could have predicted that Wilford would be such a bum.

Wilford, by a mile.

Agreed.

Sending off Lorenzo Booker for a 4th.

Not even close..... they then turned around and traded that 4th to Dallas for Anthony Fasano and Akin Ayodele.  We got a starting ILB and starting TE, basically for a backup RB.

LOL...I sure hope you were joking around about the Booker trade!

  For clarity.  They traded Miami's 4th ( No. 100 ) to Dallas for those two.   They recieved ( No. 115 ) from Philly for Booker.  Then they traded it with a 7th ( No. 208 ) up to ( No. 110 ) in order to draft Shawn Murphy.

So, as of right now with considering the fact Murphy never saw the field last year.  It was a bad trade.  Now, people thought highly of Murphy so maybe a years adjustment will develop him & he can be a solid player.

I don't think that Lorenzo Booker trade was that big of a deal, but to play devil's advocate- you can factor in that after trading Lorenzo Booker, they then used two draft picks on RB's (neither of which made the active roster), and eventually signed Patrick Cobbs to a longer deal (and he proved pretty valuable during the season).

In hindsight, they could've kept Booker and used the two picks on other positions instead of RB.

Booker would not have made the Dolphins roster with Parcells/Sparano calling the shots.

Lorenzo Bookers 2008 stats with the Eagles
10 games played
20 rush 53 yards 2.7 avg
6 rec 1.8 yards per catch
0 total TDS

Booker really didn't do much more on the field than Shawn Murphy did in 2008! ;)

The problem (as you mentioned in hindsight) Ricky (shoulder) Ronnie (knee) were both coming off of season ending injuries Lex hilliard was amore a FB type Rb,and Parmele were both alot bigger filling the Size quota that the trifecta wants...Booker was no where near a Fulltime Back size wise...not the way trifecta wants...

This may sound a little off at first, but my pick for biggest mistake...

Not requesting that John Beck get more play time in pre-season.  It would have helped offset some of the film from the previous years crap season and raised his trade stock a little and it would have given a better chance to evaluate his improvement from his rookie year.  Essentially, we are looking at dumping this second round expenditure based on a crap-injury-plagued team and practice field tape.

I understand what they are doing with Henne, but Beck should have gotten at least a quarter per game.

Getting into a pissing contest with Jason Taylor ranks as # 1.  Don't alienate the franchise, man!  It forced fans to pick a side, and now one of our team's best ever players is seen by many as a jackass despite his many years of excellent service.  That's his biggest mistake.

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Good point about Taylor.

Not signing Coles. >:(

That's because JT hadn't won shit in his entire time here.  Also, keep in mind that he was supposed to be a leader on this team, and instead of setting a good example and being in Miami participating in offseason workouts, he's out in Hollywood dancing.  No wonder he missed more games this past season due to injury than he had in any other season his entire career. 

Not to mention the fact that he left because he wanted to play for a winner.  Well, his old team made the playoffs and his new team didn't. 

Well, JT was a great player, and despite being on mediocre and then increasingly lousy teams, played his heart out for years. He was looking at transitioning to Hollywood and a post football career, and clearly had lost interest after a decade of football, culminating in a poorly coached 1 and 15 disaster of a team.

Parcells saw a once great player with 100 + sacks in the past and maybe 10 in his future, who had lost his desire to work hard in the offseason. Parcells made the gimlet eyed hard choice, to get decent trade value for him, clear salary cap space, and trade a disgruntled veteran who was no longer showing leadership.

Sure, it would have been nice to see JT retire a dolphin and spend his whole career here. But JT had lost his spark, and Parcells foisted him off on Daniel Snyder's redskins. A hard hearted move for sure, but the right one by Parcells, and the right one for the Miami Dolphins.

QFT

1 - JT played DE / OLB, not WR, RB, QB, OL, etc... he excelled at doing what he HAD to Do, so the "he hadn't won" stuff is irrelevant.  It ain't one on one out there, it's 11 on 11.  To blame him for not raising his team to a SB through sheer will is silly.

2 - He wasn't SUPPOSED to be a leader, he WAS THE leader.  He chose to spend his OTA and voluntary workout time away from the team for the first time in 11 years.  Big deal.  This had been in the works since before Tuna & co.  even arrived and had, for all we know, been cleared with his previous bosses. 

3 - His injuries last year were from a kick to the leg, if I remember correctly, not from being out of shape.

4 - Hindsight's always 20/20.  The 'Fins are the ONLY team to EVER experience such a turn around; I don't blame him for thinking the odds were Miami would have another bad year.  Plus, this has been covered in other threads.  You know where I stand on JT.

In the end, if JT should have been more "rah rah" about the new direction, Parcells should be old enough not to pull his usual hijinks, like referring to wideouts as "she", or "the player", or giving people the silence treatment.  It's dumb on his part too.  Since everything on the field panned out, I think this is his worst act as member of the Dolphins.

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I see a pattern.

WORD.   ;D

I see a pattern as well...though it's not really a "new" pattern as much as it is a basic psychological truth.  That truth is that regardless of what your job title is, the more "veteran" you become, the more likely you are to make a mistake that's centered around being stubborn.

JT = Crusty veteran player with a well established "This is how I want to be treated"
Parcells = Crusty veteran coach/football guy with a well established "This is how I'm going to treat you"

Given the situation that both were in (JT and his off-field hollywood future and Parcells needing to set a new tone for the team to operate under), you almost had to expect some sort of difference of opinion between the two.

i love the Tuna but i hope you guys aren't actually putting this 11-5 season on his mantle to shine up and call his own are you?  a ton of that 11 win season was dumb luck.  it really was.  Miami was a much better team than the 1-15 record showed in 2007 and they are a much worse team than the 11-5 record last year.  they should have been about 7-9 in 2007 and then 7-9 or 8-8 last year.  stagnation, record wise.  but growth when you think about the players you ran out of there.  taylor, thomas, etc.  8-8 would have been a good year with that young team and they should get better. 

if miami drafts another wr i am going to laugh my nuts off, by the way.  all i am reading about in R1 is wr, wr, wr.  YES please draft a wr that can "stretch the field."  because you don't have a QB that can!!  hey, all props to pennington.  the guy is a general on the field.  he seems like a good kid.  he's tough.  accurate.  as long as he doesn't need to throw anything more than a screen.  wtf is a burner going to do for miami besides outrun the pattern????  stick with Camarillo.  that is the type of hard nose tough wr that miami needs.

That is a completely inaccurate statement.  We do have a QB that can.  And believe me when I say that he'll be starting by 2010

until the kid comes into a game and faces an NFL pass rush i ain't buying it.  i'm sure you're talking about henne.  good college career.  and he was available to you in the second round for a reason.

What round was your boy Tom Brady drafted in?? ;)

good point.

however i am not saying the kid is going to suck.  but when we're talking about qb's from college to nfl i'll believe it when i see it.  he might be great.  he might not.  i want to see him react under pressure, checking down to his third option, making a 2 minute drive, etc before i say he's miami's qb of the future.

Apparently he has been able to do all that.  That's why this coaching staff raves about him.

Yes, a good bit of it...

On a side note, were you not able to find a Patsies chat board to hang out, so you decided to visit the enemy? I always wonder about patsies fans who search out dolphins chat boards...what the hell are they thinking?

i normally make charity donations every year to the special olympics and cant this year so i figured i would try to enliten those that are not up to speed on good v bad football.  consider my presence a gift.

I would consider it a gift if you would go back and slap your third grade teacher for allowing you to drop out of school before your communication skills had fully developed...

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The worst move Parcels ever made was leaving the Jets! 

That was the best move he made