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I know this is probably all Bullshit........especially considering the source.

I was listening to Howard Stern this morning on Siruis and his guest was that bodyguard dude who supposedly shot Clemens in the ass with a steroid shot and saved the needles. 

Anyhow he has a sports website and supposed "Contacts" within the industry.  he stated that Tom Brady will be traded this off season and the Pats will continue with Matt Cassel.  When Artie disagreed and said he was just full of shit looking to Promote his website he stated that if it didn't happen that he would shut down his website.   

I think its just a really bad guess , hoping for it to happen so he can claim he has an inside source. But he really put himself out there if he doen't come thru......... ::)

Nothing would surprise me at this point.  Brady's value is sky high right now, and my guess is that his best years are behind him.  It probably wouldn't be a terrible move for the Pats to go with Cassel, assuming it wouldn't be a huge hit to their marketing.

As a fan, I'd like to see Brady traded.  I'd like to find out if it's him, or the team around him that makes him so good.

Belichick didn't blink when it came time to Trade  Bledsoe for a then unknown 6th rounder.......that worked out pretty well huh? They could get some serious Picks for him......still, that would take some serious gochos.

He also benched the Brown franchise QB Bernie Kosar for Vinny Testaverde.

One thing I'll say about the hooded one........he definitely never lacked balls. Still........this would be a serious test. If The pats go on without a beat , they get 2 1st rounds for Brady , and he fails elsewhere.........Belichick just may get my undying respect. With or without the Camera situation.

I really doubt this will happen at all though. how is Brady's rehab going?

Big difference in letting Drew go in favor of Brady - they won the Super Bowl that year

Still Cassell is way younger and proved he could handle the job. Huge upside.  Brady could be toast...........and I hear that the Pats organization was not happy with him going to California for Surgery and a second opinon. Just saying.............

And with Cassell getting the franchise tag, how can they afford to keep 2 QB over 14-million bucks each? 

It would not surprise me for one second to see Brady traded.

I think Cassel is gonna be traded.

i think that putting the franchise tag on cassel pretty much guarantees that the patriots won't find a taker for him ..

i think teams are going to remember what the dolphins paid for ricky williams and realize that 2 1st rounders is too big of a price-tag for any player .. regardless of who he is. .. it just cripples your franchise to an unbelievable extent

Especially when one is coming off a season ending Knee injury. Ricky was Healthy as a horse and even had the best yardage of any RB that year.  But you just can't win "buying a team".

Cassell is younger.  Brady, even while injured, demands a higher trade equivalent than Cassell.  If either of them are traded, assuming the skills are equal, would you rather trade the older, injured guy with the higher salary who will bring in more/higher picks, or the younger, possibly more athletic guy with lower salary and wouldn't bring you as much in return?

I don't see any scenario where the Pats sign Cassell for $14 million plus and deal him away to someone else.

(I was thinking of a scenario where some other team came in and offered Cassell a poison-pill deal like the Patriots did to Welker, but with the tag, it makes that tactic less effective).

He already agreed to take the 1 year tender - but still can be traded and it wouldn't be for 2 No. 1's - it's whatever the teams work out (generally including a multi-year deal for Cassel) (and it's CASSEL - one L)

   You don't think a team like the Raiders or the lions would give 2 #1's for Tom Brady if he passes a physical?

I'm talking about Cassel - but you have to remember that Bellichik isn't a fan of the high picks - cost too much

you know how many 3rd and 4th round picks he can get in exchange for one of those 1st rounders?  If he wants to be wheeling and dealing, he can keep Cassel as his QB and pick up like 4 or 5 picks in the draft rounds 2-4

Agreed.  Same with Peyton Manning.

I could see him asking for 3 - 2nds. 2009, 2010, 2011.   

Hoodie, since Cassel has been franchised, what do you personally want to see happen with Brady?

Didn't that 6th Rder win the Super Bowl for Belichick that year?  Bledsoe was sitting on the IR after going 0-2 to start that year.  Brady finished up 11-3 in '01.  Trading Bledsoe was a no brainier.

Cassel as well as he played missed the playoffs.  Brady will be 32 this year.  To many years left in him.  They will trade Cassel.

  NE is in the SB if Brady plays all year ( Probably winning it ).  Cassel missed the playoffs.

  They franchised Cassel.  Poison pill will not matter.  If a team signs him, then they give up two No. 1 for him.  If Cassel signs the tender then a team will have to trade for him.

Also, the Pats did not offer Welker a poison pill contract.   They thought about it, but never did.

A team does not have to give up two #1's for him if the Pats are willing to take less. 

No one would give up two #1's for a QB coming off one good year after years of riding the pine.  If he bombs with his new team, that team is crippled for years.

Yes they offered him a poison pill contract but goodell stepped in and told them to make a trade.

But Cassell is a young Healthy Stud. Brady now has a Limp and 2-3 yrs Tops before serious decline.  Its a tough choice.   What the Pats have going for them is Belichick does not have a Loyal bone in his hooded body. 4 Superbowls? Thats the past. What have you done for me lately!!? Belichick is a cold hearted Mofo and Nice guys finish last. He will take who he thinks will help them win the most.

  Sorry, but no.  The plan for a poison pill offer was made, but the contract was not offered.  Goodell had nothing to do with it.



Welker Contract Detail (http://bostonsportsrumors.blogspot.com/2007/03/welkers-contract-details.html)

  The difference is Brady is still in his prime & playing great when he was injured as opposed to where Bledsoe was at the time.  Brady was not a runner to begin with so this knee injury will have little bearing on his game.   Cassel is younger, but he could not make the playoffs with a team Brady would have push for a SB title with. 

Get what you can get for Cassel & move forward with the kid from San Diego St.

Everything we've learned about Belechik says that when he finds younger QB talent, he keeps it. I think Brady's gone.

Bledsoe was not on the IR - in fact he played in a playoff game after Brady injured his ankle (? maybe knee) on a play. They would not have made the Super Bowl if not for Bledsoe's play in that game

they wouldn't have made the superbowl if not for the stupid tuck rule

  Yes, they do.  If they simply sign him to a contract. 

Now, they can work out a trade, then sign him to a new deal, but if they simply sign him to a new contract then its 2 No. 1's.  ( This is assuming that Cassel has not already signed the franchise tender - if he had then the only way for a team to get him is to work out a trade )

  That is correct.    My error in forgetting Bledsoe was not out for the year, when he was hurt in the 2nd game.

Ahh, but Cassel HAS signed the franchise tender.

OK, technically he hasn't... because technically, the Patriots have only notified him (and the NFL and the NFLPA) that they are franchising him. He then replied (officially, to the Patriots, the NLF and the NFLPA) that he accepted the tender.

The actual contract signing takes place whenever the team gets around to actually sending the contract to Cassel (or his agent).

Will not happen.  Is he starting? Thats another question to ask.  If he does start Cassel is getting traded!

Will you cry if it does happen?  :'(

Nope, Cassel is a good QB as well.  Something that you wouldn't know,  you haven't had one in a long time!!

Uhhhh...We have one now, and have had good ones pretty much our entire existance with the exception of the last 4 years. (Or 10 years if you are a Fiedler hater which I am not)

From something Dphins4me found:

The Pats were going to offer Welker a seven-year, $38 million deal, which would have become fully guaranteed had the receiver played four games in Florida (assumed to be this year). While this isn't illegal, it's not necessarily an accepted practice. As a result, the teams worked out a trade where the Pats sent the Dolphins the second-round pick they would have received anyway, and included a seventh-rounder as a gesture of good faith.

A 7th rounder as a gesture of good faith so the Pats wouldn't have to pony up the cash?  It looks good in print but sounds like bullshit to me.  Huizenga boned it.


Don't kid yourself, Brady and Manning are unbelievably good at what they do.  Sure, they've got some weapons but they know how to read defenses and are both quite accurate.

I disagree. That poison pills are allowed makes a complete joke of the "matching contract" clause in the restricted free agent designation.

It's perfectly valid to believe Huizenga botched it, but any botching occurred much earlier. Huizenga could have worked out a deal with Welker, preventing him from getting RFA status in the first place - or a higher tender could've been placed on Welker. That would have assured the Dolphins of getting at least a first-round pick.

Personally, I'm still not sure if Welker is worth it. He is to the Patriots (and therefore, you might argue, he is to any competitor, including us), but as much as I like him, I just don't think he's worth millions a year.

Sorry if you didn't notice.........but you don't get to be the AFC EAST Champs without a decent QB.  If White Cassel was so good you would have thought he would have at least made the playoffs with a 11-5 record no?  :D

Dude - try to see things in reality and not through Patriot colored glasses.  Pennington was head and shoulders better than Cassel this season and had a lot less to work with.  Miami's top WR wouldn't be a fourth WR in NE.

Who won the AFC East this year?  Was it NE?  I can't recall.

I am not putting Pennington above Cassel in the current QB class...I just can't. Sure, Pennington is accurate on the short routes, and manages a game well, but Cassel has accuracy AND can throw the deep ball. I am thankful that Pennington did an outstanding job "managing" the offense this past season, but if I had to come to camp with one or the other for this upcoming season, I'd take Cassel. I was impressed enough by his first season as a starter...

...but I do like your aqua and orange glasses though. ;)

We joked during the season that Cassel would look downfield after the snap and if Moss wasn't wide open, he'd tuck-and-run.

It was funny because it seemed like it was true.  He doesn't seem to have great "he's covered, look at the next guy" ability.  I've seen him take off scrambling a few times while the pocket was still intact and he had time to throw, but just didn't look at the check down.

Cassel - in a system built for over rated QB success - and heaven on earth in WR help, didn't put up the over all stats that Pennington did.  Sorry, Pennington was a better QB this season.  First year in the system, a patched together o-line at times, non-existing running game at times and WRs that scream "who?"

Take out the "who" WRs at the end, and I thought you were talking about Cassel there. NE had O-line issues all season long, their best RB (Morris) wouldn't crack the Ronnie-Ricky tandem and it was his first year starting at QB since HS.

I'm judging both QBs by what I saw on the field. Pennington's a better game manager, and Cassel is the better overall QB. Stronger arm on the deep ball, tighter spiral on the mid routes and much more mobility.

You just love trying to crush my dreams, don't you?  You live for it!

Viva Pennington!  Long live the Dolphins!

No man, it's not like that at all...I just was pretty impressed with Cassel once he took over and got settled in.  That said, if you ever make it on to the show to talk some baseball, I'll probably give you free passes on everything else. ;D

Hey!  That's not fair -- who was it that told me to call at ***8pm???***  Just curious!!!  ;)

Oh.. I thought that Pennington played for Baltimore?  Who was that guy throwing to all those passes to the Baltimore players??  Oh yea those were INT's my falt!! 

 ::)

So, Brady never had a bad game? Oh...How could he? He is the second coming of Jesus Christ.

I heard the game 'Doom' was loosely based on an incident where Tom Brady loaned the devil a quarter, and didnt pay him back in a timely matter.

Pennington's stat line in the '08 playoffs makes Cassel's look like nothing.  Like it doesn't even exist.

I don't really see how anyone can compare Cassel to Pennington and come away with the conclusion that Cassel was a better QB this year.

Pennington:
321/476   (67.4%), 3653 yards, 19 TD, 7 INT, 97.4 rating

Cassel:
327/516 (63.4%), 3693 yards, 21 TD, 11 INT, 89.4 rating

So with a vastly superior receiving corps, Cassel took 40 more attempts to make 6 more completions for 40 extra yards.  He threw two more TDs and 4 more INTs.  Cassel also led the league in number of times he was sacked (47); if you think this is all due to his OL (which seemed pretty damn good last year), ask yourself: would Tom Brady have taken FORTY SEVEN sacks behind that line?  When you lead the league in sacks taken, your decision making is an issue.

As for Matt Cassel's beautiful laser arm, Pennington beat him in both yards-per-attempt (7.7 to 7.2) and yards-per-completion (11.4 to 11.3), not to mention completion percentage.  Again, it's worth pointing out that Pennington did this with bum-off-of-the-street WRs, while Cassel is throwing to Pro Bowl and future-Hall-of-Fame WRs.

NE team rushing in 2008:
513att 2278yds 21TD 4.4y/a 17fum

MIA team rushing in 2008:
448att 1897yds 18TD 4.2y/a 18fum

Do you realize that you are using quality-of-surrounding-team as an argument for the player that inherited an 18-1 team vs. a player that inherited a 1-15 team?

This is beyond ridiculous.

Because some of us watch football, and not just quote stat lines...

What can you do?  We couldn't run that game and you gotta try to make something happen.  It's not like he could drop back, heave it up and have an all-star WR make a play. 

Well, I guess you would have to actually watch football to properly appreciate Cassel's perfectly-thrown spiral... as it falls incomplete.  (That is, when he isn't getting piledriven into the turf.)

I only bring up stat lines as an objective method of comparing the two.  Subjectively, Pennington ate Cassel's lunch; he took a 1-15 team to a division title and tied for second in NFL MVP voting, while Cassel helmed an 18-1 team to missing the playoffs.  Pennington made the proverbial chicken salad out of chicken sh*t, while Cassel turned filet mignon into a steak sandwich.

So was Steve Young.  Here are his stats from Tampa Bay.

3 wins - 16 losses
53.3% completions
11 TD, 21 Int
63.1 rating

In his first season at San Francisco his rating was 120.8

Still one more game then the Pats played.   :D

And where was Randy Moss and Wes Welker during that game?  Oh yeah, that's right!  They were down in Mexico drinking cheap tequilla and sleeping with underage hos.

I heard Wes skipped the Mexico trip and went to Europe in search of NAMBLA buddies........