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Title: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: run_to_win on March 12, 2009, 09:58:38 pm
18 years ago Cal Brown tricked 22 year old Holly Washa into getting out of her car.  He car jacked her, raped and tortured her repeatedly for over a day and then finally killed her.

Now he's begging for his life.  I'll bet Washa begged for her life.  He ignored those pleas.  The state of Washington should give his pleas equal consideration. 

Please allow me to go jtex-esque for a moment.  I don't wish for anyone to be raped, tortured and murdered ... but if some poor women is to be raped, tortured and murdered in the near future I hope it's a close relative of one of the Supreme Court Jesters who voted to stay the execution.  THAT would give him/her a bit of perspective. 

When the accused ADMITS to the crime, executions should occur the next morning at dawn. 

Department of Corrections workers are in an uproar because Brown has never shown any remorse away from reporters and clemency hearing boards.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/41178872.html
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OLYMPIA, Wash. -- The state Supreme Court has stayed the execution of Cal Coburn Brown hours before he was to die for the murder of a 22-year-old woman.

In a 5-4 ruling Thursday, the high court, led by Justice Charles Johnson, granted the last-minute appeal that was filed by Brown's lawyers Wednesday, after Thurston County Superior Court Judge Chris Wickham denied a stay of execution.

Brown was scheduled to die by lethal injection early Friday morning at the Washington State Penitentiary.

Brown was convicted of carjacking Holly Washa at knife-point near Seattle-Tacoma International Airport 18 years ago. He robbed, raped and tortured the 22-year-old Burien woman before stabbing and strangling her.

King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg called the stay a delay tactic, a game being played by Brown's attorneys.

"Cal Brown is the worst of the worst. In the 25 years I've been a prosecutor, his crime was the most sadistic, most calculated crime. He deserves the death penalty if we're going to have one, and nothing about this case makes me doubt whether we should have one," he said.

Before the court stayed his execution on Thursday, Brown called the state clemency board from prison to apologize and make an emotional plea.

"I cannot begin to tell you sorry and ashamed I am for what I have done. Back in 1991 I was in a very dark place," he said. "I hope the fact that she haunts me - and she does, she haunts me to this day - I hope that that might help, I don't know.

"Killing Holly Washa did not deprive her of her own life, as horrible as that its. But it took her away from her friends and her family far, far too soon. There has not been one day since that time that I haven't felt horrible about what I did. And if there was any way I could tell her family that, I wold do so. If there was any way I could bring her back, I would do so," Brown said.

The board also heard from Washa's family, who had driven from Nebraska to be in Walla Walla to watch Brown's execution.

"He confessed. He confessed to this crime before they even fond her body. He did it, he knows he did and now is time to pay for it," said Karen Washa, the victim's sister.

"And I have no respect for what he did. He has no remorse, and we'll always miss her," said John Washa, the victim's father.

In the end their comments didn't matter; what did matter was a pending case in Thurston County Superior Court. Brown's case has been consolidated with that of Darrol Stenson which challenges the constitutionality of lethal injection as a form of execution.

Stenson received a stay of execution in December after arguing that the state's lethal injection practices constitute cruel and unusual punishment. A hearing on that issue is scheduled for May.

Earlier in the week, the state Supreme Court rejected Brown's arguments that the death penalty is applied irrationally in Washington and that he should not be executed because he suffers from a mental illness.

According to court documents, Brown suffers from bipolar disorder, but was not being treated at the time of the murder. Since 1994, prison staff have prescribed medication to control the condition.

Brown, whose death sentence was overturned by a federal appeals court in 2007 but later reinstated by the U.S. Supreme Court, confessed to Washa's torture and murder.

He had been out of an Oregon prison just two months for an attack seven years earlier.

Near the airport, Brown got Washa's attention by pointing to the rear tire of her vehicle, indicating a problem. When the young woman opened her car door to investigate, he jumped in and held her at knifepoint.

For the next 36 hours, Brown raped and tortured Washa in a motel room before killing her. Days later, arrested for attacking another woman in California, Brown directed police to Washa's body in the trunk of her car.

Since 1904, 77 men have been put to death in Washington state. Brown would be just the fifth inmate executed since 1963.

Brown was convicted of aggravated first-degree murder on Dec. 10, 1993, and sentenced to death 17 days later.


Title: Re: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: Fau Teixeira on March 12, 2009, 09:59:53 pm
the government shouldn't be allowed to kill its citizens under any circumstances


Title: Re: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: Sunstroke on March 12, 2009, 10:19:37 pm

^^^ A confessed rapist/murderer? Yeah, not only do I agree with RTW (heaven forbid) that the execution should be held almost immediately, but go ahead and save the state some money and just bash his head in with a rock.

After the deed is done, you auction off pieces of the rock, with the proceeds going to the victim's family.

Morbid, yes...but righteous on so many levels.



Title: Re: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: run_to_win on March 13, 2009, 03:56:32 am
the government shouldn't be allowed to kill its citizens under any circumstances
Okay, strip him of his citizenship first.   ;D


Title: Re: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: run_to_win on March 13, 2009, 03:58:19 am
^^^ A confessed rapist/murderer? Yeah, not only do I agree with RTW (heaven forbid) that the execution should be held almost immediately, but go ahead and save the state some money and just bash his head in with a rock.

After the deed is done, you auction off pieces of the rock, with the proceeds going to the victim's family.

Morbid, yes...but righteous on so many levels.
Don't forget to harvest the organs! Be careful where you swing that rock so you don't harm the eyes.


Title: Re: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: Guru-In-Vegas on March 13, 2009, 04:16:14 am
I gotta say that I'm torn on the death penalty in cases like this.  I've always thought of prison being worse.  If I had my pick, I'd take death over life in a box with 1 hour of sun a week.  Then again some of you (maybe runz) have brought up the point that some probably prefer life in prison (appeals).  

I don't think I have an opinion on the death penalty due to the fact that there are too many variables to consider.  On one hand, there are just awful shits that don't deserve to ingest oxygen anymore.  On the other hand, there is ALWAYS a possibility of executing the wrong person.  Despite the fact that it MAY be minute, the fact that a possibility even exists makes it unacceptable.  

Okay, strip him of his citizenship first.   ;D

I wouldn't be against that.  Send their asses somewhere else.  I'm sure Kim Jong Il wouldn't turn some meat labor away from his grinder nation.


Title: Re: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: SCFinfan on March 13, 2009, 10:55:50 am
I hate cases like this. May the victim and her family receive solace, and may the community surrounding them come together to help them.


Title: Re: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: Dave Gray on March 13, 2009, 11:16:05 am
I am against the death penalty, as you all know.

I think that it's based in vengeance, which is really unhealthy for all involved.  Of course the things they do are indefensible, but I don't think it's good policy for the government to execute its people, even if they are detestable.

I might consider an exception if the prisoners chose death (or suicide) to life in a cage, in cases where they admitted their guilt, but it just doesn't seem like a good idea to be killing your own people.  Because we have a justice system, the idea of "next day death" isn't feasible, and therefore, the death penalty isn't cost effective, either.

It's bad on all fronts.  The only REAL value I can see in the death penalty is that it eliminates the possibility of prison breakouts.  But the bad far outweighs the good, in my opinion.


Title: Re: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: Cathal on March 13, 2009, 11:43:06 am
I don't know if I saw it in a movie or on a documentary, but if it's true (even if it's now), we should do what China does. Shoot the person and charge the cost of the bullet(s) to the family.


Title: Re: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: bsmooth on March 13, 2009, 03:58:38 pm
What he is convienently leaving out is the fact the guy has a diagnosed mental condition that has been successfully treated once he was in prison with drugs. If he had been treated earlier one could surmise that maybe this woman would still be alive.


Title: Re: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: Phishfan on March 13, 2009, 03:59:50 pm
What he is convienently leaving out is the fact the guy has a diagnosed mental condition that has been successfully treated once he was in prison with drugs. If he had been treated earlier one could surmise that maybe this woman would still be alive.

Why should not taking your drugs and commiting a crime be treated any differently than taking illicit drugs and committing the same crime?


Title: Re: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: bsmooth on March 13, 2009, 04:04:09 pm
Why should not taking your drugs and commiting a crime be treated any differently than taking illicit drugs and committing the same crime?

He was not diagnosed and treated until after conviction.


Title: Re: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: run_to_win on March 13, 2009, 11:23:05 pm
What he is convienently leaving out
::)

According to prison guards who have known him during the past 18 years, he's not remorseful at all when the camera's aren't around.

His own pleas for mercy don't mention his mental illness, only that he was "in a dark place" back then. 

He had attacked a woman 7 years earlier and was on parole for that crime when he committed this crime.  He had only been out of prison for a couple of months.  There's no mention of any illness during that stay in prison, but then again, his life wasn't on the line either.
http://www.kndu.com/global/story.asp?s=9990812


Title: Re: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: landlocked on March 14, 2009, 10:22:21 am
Answer=simply put him into the main prison population,he will soon understand what it's like to be a victim....... ;D


Title: Re: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: MaineDolFan on March 16, 2009, 03:56:46 pm
^^Unless he is one of the people in prison that continues to feast on the weak and continues to make other people his victim.

I think that the court is right that deadly injection isn't the way to go in this case.  I say you lay the guy spread eagle on the ground and hook up handcuffs to both ankles and wrists.  You put chains on the handcuffs and attach the other ends to 800HP 4x4 trucks stuck in very deep mud. 

Tell the drivers to "floor it" and get their trucks out of the mud by staying in a straight line.


Title: Re: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: Sunstroke on March 16, 2009, 04:13:56 pm

^^^ A rock to the head requires far less equipment and set up time than monster truck drawing and quartering...just a thought. ;)




Title: Re: Washington Supreme Court wusses out - stays execution
Post by: MaineDolFan on March 17, 2009, 08:40:48 am
And it's too quick in this case.