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Who do you think is the most overrated player on the roster right now.

I used to say that it was Joey Porter, but he's been playing well-enough to change my mind.  His attitude still sucks sometimes and the stupid penalties are unforgivable, but I think he's come around.

My answer now is probably Ronnie Brown.  I like him, I like his attitude, and I think he's a good player.  But I think that because he was taken so high in the draft, that we sometimes (and mistakenly) think of him as an elite RB, when he's not.

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If he has a breakout year will that change your opinion of him?  Word coming from the Trifecta is that he is in the best shape of his life, and with the Wildcat becoming a big part of the Dolphins offensive playbook, I can see him going back to the Ronnie of 2007 before his knee injury.... and holding up the entire year. 

Honestly, I'd have to say the most overrated player on our roster comes down to Pat White and Cameron Wake.  Although that could change with a strong performance in camp.  Both had a lot of hype coming to the Dolphins but struggled in OTA's. 

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Yes, if he has a breakout year, of course that will change my opinion on him.

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I think the most overrated player is Chad Henne.

You heard right.  I do NOT think he is the next Dan Marino.  I don't even think he's the next Chad Pennington.  I am worried that they will follow the Jets, dismissing Penny for "the future" only to have him fall on his face and break all the eggs the team placed squarely in his basket.

Prove me wrong, Chad.

I seriously hope he does prove you wrong.  Not because you called him overrated, but because the team invested a second round pick in him, and he has shown some flashes of brilliance during his limited playing time.

The team invested a 2nd round pick in John Beck and you couldn't WAIT to run his ass out of town.  ::)

I don't think there are many options for this list. A lot of Dolphins still are not considered league stars. Ronnie Brown is probably the most overrated by the public and Channing Crowder is probably the most overrated in his own mind.

I think it a bit unfair to consider any rookies as overrated. At this point they don't even have a rating on my scale. That comes after the season starts.

Because John Beck had his chance and proved to be an amazing offensive weapon for the other team.  The fact that Cam Camoron brought him in doesn't help either. 

ugh - i give up with you

Ronnie Brown.

Right now I'd have to say either Ted Ginn or Chad Henne. 

Jake Long.  Made the Pro Bowl as a rookie and is being touted as all-everything.  Is he even better than Vernon Carey (who's very good as well, but doesn't get nearly the level of praise)?  I think he'll be a good, or even great tackle, for sure, but is he really Orlando Pace?  If not, then he's over-rated by virtue of the level of attention he received this past season.

My vote goes for Ronnie, but not that he is highly over-rated.  In fact I think most of our players are under-rated.

Every #1 overall pick is going to get a high level of attention.  He started out strong and improved dramatically as the season went on.  Did you see him towards the end of the season??  He was blowing his guy off the line on a consistent basis. 

I don't see Carey and Long even in the same ballpark in regards to talent... I see Vernon as an average right tackle, and I see Jake as a perrenial pro bowl left tackle.

Most overrated player on the phins? Not sure if we have any of those, but I'd probably go with Ginn based on what we paid for him and what little he's contributed on the field so far.

Probably a toss up between Ronnie Brown and Joey Porter. Although Brian Fein does make a good argument for Chad Henne.  I don't see how Ginn is overrated, everybody thinks he sucks when he is a decent NFL receiver.

I'm assuming we're talking about current Fins and not past ones right? Because as far as past Fins go, I'd have to say Chambers was the most overrated.

But as far as today, it's gotta be Ginn. At least the other candidates have had great games. Ginn's had ONE hundred yard receiving game in 2 years--against the Bills' backup--and Dwayne Bowe, drafted 14 spots after Ginn remember, has four. And Ginn was also supposed to be this great return man but how many TDs does he have in that department? One in two years. Anybody can get lucky and have ONE. And THIS guys is supposed to be our #1 WR? HA!!!

Yea but the question is who is overrated, not who has underachieved. Everybody thinks Ginn sucks, how can he be overrated?

Normally it wouldn't make any sense I agree, but with Ginn it somehow works. Just don't question it okay?  :)

It's almost like if Ginn doesn't have a huge year this year, he's not going to ever.  It's a feeling I have and maybe some others too.  It's the same feeling I had with Chris Chambers and a couple other guys that we trotted in and out of there at the position since approximately 2000.

So basically what you are saying is that he isn't overrated at all.

I wondered the same thing when I saw Ginn's name in a couple of spots but I can see the line of thinking. There are two schools of thought as I see it #1 being overrated by the fans and #2 being overrated by your salary. I can only assume the Ginn voters use the second school.

I think a lot of people are confusing the issue. They feel he was over-rated by the regime that drafted him. No matter if we agree with that or not (I do, and I'm sure most people do), it doesn't mean he is currently the most over rated Fin.

No confusion at all here... The fact that we're using the term "overrated" here means it is subjective to individual opinion, as there isn't really one "rating" system in play for that sort of thing.

Ginn is overrated by the way I see him. If others don't, that's groovy...

Does that clear up the confusion?

Easily Ted Ginn.  He's not even playing up to 3rd pick potential. Trade him to the Ravens and give Cam the whole Beck-Ginn set.  :P

If he doesn't have 1500 yards and 10 tds this year, everyone will want to run him out of town even more than they already do.  We ran players off for a lot less. 

Picking Ginn would answer the question "which Dolphins is most overrated three years ago?"

I'm with Tepop - there is no consensus that says that Ginn is good.

Asking who is overrated is comparing YOUR opinion to the consensus opinion of the masses.  I think Steven Jackson is ridiculously overrated, because most experts have him rated as the #4 or 5 RB in the league.  I think he sucks, and therefore, is overrated.

I love you Brian,but you're the guy that picked a guy that's played 1 quarter of professional football... :D ???

Yup - that's WHY I picked him.  He's played 1 quarter of football and, somehow, people just CAN'T WAIT for him to take the field.  People (the consensus) seem to think that he will be able to throw deep balls accurately, not have the "deer in headlights" look, and just overall make Tom Brady look like a Pop Warner kid.  I ain't buyin' it.

And what if he's able to do exactly that?  He's shown hints of being able to do that in the limited time he has had

If he can do it, I might change my mind, but for right now, the "hints of brilliance" you keep talking about are no more significant than the "hints of suckitude" John Beck showed in his 5-quarter tryout.

Hints of brilliance don't reserve you a spot in Canton, but they do make you OVERRATED.

Over hyed,yes..Over rated...umm not quite,I don't think he's shown enough to be rateable...I'd definitely put him in the over hyped catagory......All he has to do is prove he has the ability to throw the deep ball..We all know Pennington doesn't have an arm, he's not going to throw a 30 yard pass on a rope....Safties can play closer to the line of scrimmage,play the run,and the short pass....

Along the same line of thinking, I'd have to put Pat White there then....I'm of the belief that the Wild cat isn't going to produce very much this year,regardless of who's running it...It was hard to defend when you thought only teams that played the Dolphins had to prepare for it,and you didn't have time to game plan for it...Ddefensive coordinator have had almost 8 months...*If the Wildcat offense is beating you,then your defensive coordinator should be fired,and leave with the rest of the drunk fans.....


*(This doesn't include a trick double reverse,that gets tossed 60 yards down field for a TD....,but If we run the wildcat 6 times against you,and gain 75 yards and a score...you should be fired....)

As per Sunstroke, Brian's opinion is just fine...

oops read it too quick...sorry Brian....

I don't have Henne painted as any kind of QB savior, so he stands as much chance of me considering him overrated as any non-starter currently on the squad.

Philly is right on though... If Brian sees Henne as rated much higher than he expects him to be able to perform on the field, then yessir...to Brian, Henne is overrated.

How can u guys say that. Look at what he has done with the Fins since his rook year.  He is doing way better that Caddyshack Williams.  Sure he really not posted 1000 yrd season . Look what the Fins offense been like since he got in Miami( Saban , Bates, Camoron) .  Over-rated my ass.  Ronnie Is a beast. 

Thank you for finally showing up and proving how overrated ronnie really is.

^^^ Yes, yes, we know your opinion on Ronnie. He sucks, he's secretly a North Korean spy, he spits on babies and he's responsible for every missing sock that never made it out of the dryer.

Ronnie could break Ricky's team rushing record this year, make the Pro Bowl again, and Spongebob Tepop would find something negative to say about it

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Well hopefully he's enjoying my $20 Nike socks that I was forced to buy in college. 

It's still tough for me to pick, even if I had hoped Ginn should have made a bigger impact by now, a lot of our guys are so young that it's too much of a grey area.

I think Ronnie Brown is overrated too, but at least he's had a good game here and there. But yeah, you'd think a #2 overall pick would do more.

How about JT for most overrated? The Fins miss the playoffs his last six years in Miami, and then win the division as soon as he leaves!  :o

Good point there 316!!

Thanks (blushes).

That's why it didn't break my heart to see JT leave last year. I leave player overrating to the media.

Nah, because Taylor put up the production, the numbers, to justify the way people perceived him.  His career numbers are comparable to some of the game's greats, so he, too, should be considered one of the game's greats.  Is it his fault our best wideouts were James McKnight and Oronde Gadsden for those years when the D was so good?

Yeah JT put up the numbers and production, but like The Quitters 2002 rushing season it didn't mean anything. If a team has someone who's considered their best player yet they can;t make the playofs with him and just finished 1-15, then how much worse off could they be without him? That's the exact same resoning JJ used back when he fleeced the Vikes in the Herschel Walker trade.

make no mistake about it though, I think getting JT back just one year after collecting a second rounder from the Skins for him is hilarious, and now it turns out they actually might need him to play full time with this Roth illness, which I have a *really* bad feeling about.