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Well he's only a first round pick, 9th overall.  What do you expect from a receiver?  Someone who catches the ball? Pfft.

^^^^^^

That is the most insane comment ever.

11 catches, 108 yards.

almost all them on third or fourth down.  

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My arrows are intended for the first comment on the thread, not Tepop or Guru

Yes, he made some good plays. But he missed out on 2 TD passes, the second one of which would have been a game changer. He did some good things tonight, but in the crucible with the game on the line, he failed.

I'll repeat so everyone can see it:

IF EVERYONE ELSE ON THE TEAM HAD PLAYED HALF AS GOOD AS GINN DID, THE DOLPHINS WIN!!!!

He made some plays........I'll give credit where its due.  But he still ducks out of bounds, falls down to avoid hits and misses the BIG plays. He is a reciever........NOT a playmaker.  :|

How the hell do you figure he played well?  100 yards?  3rd down conversions?  By that logic Pennington should get the game ball.

he had 11 catches, 108 yards, that's a great game for a receiver in this league

Prorate that out that's over 160 catches and 1600 yards.

The blame for this loss lies somewhere else, like the D, not with Ginn.

The way you people bash Ginn is ridiculous.  He did his part tonight. 

Thats not what playing at this level is about . You don't do your part......You make plays when it counts, and he did not do that. He NEVER does. Does he deserve an entire thread bashing him? Absolutely not. But he does NOT do his Part . His part is the number one reciever on the Team. Number one recievers don't drop passes that hit them right in ther numbers.

Pennington threw no ints and had a completion 67% completion rate.

So, again, by that logic Pennington would have 3,000 yards passing NO ints and a completion percentage of 67% at the end of the year. He sucked though BECAUSE HE DIDN'T COME THROUGH WHEN HE WAS NEEDED.  

manning has 14 completions for 300 yards and 2 td. i mean that tells u the story there. these safeties are over matched against pass catching tight ends and slot receivers.

One problem Defense:

Neither of those passes hit him in the numbers.

And Ginn has made countless big plays for us.  Do you forget we won the division last year because he made big play after big play.

thats because our Middle Line backer is all Mouth and No Plays.......... >:(

He never makes the Big Play when we need it. He dropped several passes last week and tonight.

3rd and 4-5? He's our Man. Red Zone?  Mr soapy fingers.   I'm sorry. I question his heart and his Manhood.  I think he has improved . But in general he does not like to get hit. So he tries to run before he catches the frigging ball. or he ducks out of bounds or like tonight.......he lays down after the pass.

You're right. Those passes didn't hit him in the numbers. They hit him in his hands.

Ted Ginn is fine.  No one makes every catch. The problem with our offense is its magnified because they are few and far between. Most other good receivers get to redeem themselves while our offense doesn't allow for any mistakes against good teams. Unfortuantely not very many teams play mistake free football for 4 quarters and we certainly aren't one.

He dropped two key passes tonight, but nothing to deserve Shame of the Game... let alone an entire thread bashing him. 

^^^ Not even if both were game winning TDs?

To call Ginn the "worst player ever" is a ridiculous statement.  But he is certainly a piss poor number one receiver on a team.  He has improved since his first year.  BUT, as Doctor D pointed out, the guy makes some good plays and occasionally will make a clutch catch, but when he absolutely MUST make a game changing play, he rarely shows up.  His 2 dropped TD catches really hurt the Dolphins last night.  Granted, on the last one, he had to go up in the air and make a good play on it.  But a number one receiver MUST make that play.  It didn't require a miraculous catch. Just a good catch.  And he didn't make it.  One of the board members often points out how Ginn avoids hits, etc.  That seems to be a fair assessment as he sometimes has alligator arms, ducks out of bounds rather than fighting for extra yardage after the catch, etc.  So he is not the "worst player ever" but he is certainly not a number one receiver.  The Dolphins over paid by making this guy an early first round draft pick when his playmaking is more along the lines of a 3rd rounder.

Yatil Green was our "WORST" reciever 1st round pick ever. Ginn is far from that. But he needs to step it up. Lets leave it at that until the end of the season. Either he will or he won't.

I agree with almost everything Defense5499 said, which in of itself warrants for you to continue reading.

Ted Ginn blows. He had a good statistical game on paper, but all he'll ever be is a paper champion, because he's extremely soft.

Let me give you a statistic for Ted Ginn's performance on Monday Night:

Yards After Catch: 1

Yes, Ted Ginn amassed a whopping 1 yard after his 11 catches. 107 of his 108 receiving yards were given to him by Pennington. He only earned ONE additional yard (and I think he did it on the catch where he turned around and ducked out of bounds - they gave him the extra yard for ducking the Colts cornerback).

Missing 2 TDs that would have been caught by 30 other WRs in the league is another big statistic that you should consider. The last catch was horrendously bad for Ted Ginn - he jumped up and placed both hands on the ball without any interference (not pass interference, regular interference) from the rookie corner he should have handled easily... and the ball skidded off his hands like a rock skipping a pond of water.

Ted Ginn - You are shit.

Ted Ginn is better than Mario Manningham.

There, I said it.  Booyah!

Keep dreaming. Manningham isn't scared of being tackled at least.

You guys are crazy if you think Ginn is bad.

That's all there is to it.  You're blaming him for a loss for not making a catch that most receivers in the league wouldn't have been to catch either.

So he had only one yard after the catch?  So what?  He had 107 more passing.  Give the guy credit for getting open.

Focus on the players who are actually playing bad, not those who are playing well.

Chambers dropped more passes than Ginn, yet he didn't get a bad rap on here?  Wonder why

Am I crazy? You Bet.

Am I blaming him for a loss? No.

"So What" about only 1 yard after a catch? YAC is a critical statistic for an NFL WR in order for a team to get the ball moving downfield and gain lots of positive yardage. There's a reason the Dolphins have to dink and dunk and run 15 play drives - because there are no YAC's. Any receiver can run a route in the NFL. Can they catch the ball and can they get YACs is what it's all about. Ted Ginn can't do either - and he dropped 2 ENOURMOUS catches. These cancel out 11 catches for 108 yards.

But the craziest thing you could have possibly said was about Chambers not getting a "bad rap on here". I think you need to do some serious gravedigging. I probably averaged one "Chambers sucks" post a day for a period of 1.5 years on this very forum.

I agree with JTex.  Ginn avoids contact.  Those little yards add up.  Overall, he had a good game, stats-wise, but you need to make big catches, and you need to create.  Right now, he does neither.

I don't think he's that bad.  I wonder if he has the attitude of top recievers though where they don't wait for the ball to come to them, they fight and go up and get the damn thing.  I think he could have come down with the leaping grab in the endzone if he had that streak in him.

Go look on YouTube at the highlights of the non-catch in the end zone at the end of the game.  Ginn went up to catch the ball, and the Colts' DB pushed his right arm to prevent him from making the catch.  Looking at his hands, you can see that his left hand never moved and that his right arm crossed over, making it look like he just sucks at catching.  The DB made a play, albeit a borderline pass interference one, but I have no doubt that Ginn would have caught that ball had it not been for the DB contacting Ginn's arm.

No one wants to admit to it because people LOVE bashing Ginn.  Heaven forbid we should look at anything objectively.  He's been under the microscope since draft day 2007. ::)

Now I agree that there are YAC yards that could be added, but only one of his 11 catches on Monday night did I think that he could have got 3-4 more yards before ducking out of bounds.

Being a Michigan man (well, actually just "fan".....I'm not from there or anything), I have to politely disagree.  Even though Ginn is a former OSU product, I still manage to like the guy because my love for the Dolphins actually can overcome my hatred for the Yuckeyes, even as much as I like Michigan also. 

Manningham might not be as good as a wideout right now as a 2nd year player (and even that's debatable, unfortunately), but with another season under his belt, I could see him being better than Ginn by this time next year.  I don't even enjoy saying that, all OSU-Michigan stuff aside, because I want to see Ted Ginn be awesome for this team.  He's come a long way since his rookie season (as he should have), but I'd like to see him still get a lot further than where he is now.

After Manningham's performance against Dallas, he's the hottest free agent pickup in Fantasy Football right now.

+3.  Ginn jumps out of bounds and is scared of contact. Thats why he drops the big passes. The knows its coming.

marvin harrison avoids contact too.  not a big deal for a wide receiver. i haven't seen ginn not go for a ball because of an oncoming hit, he just doesn't want to take unnecessary punishment.

Yeah, why should Ted bother trying to pick up extra yardage after the catch. It's not like anyone in this league ever breaks a tackle after that first hit or anything...may as well get out of bounds or down on the carpet while the getting is good and avoid a nasty bruise.

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right, ted ginn and his 180lb body shouldn't look to avoid contact, he should make those free safeties pay.  Why worry about whether you will be able to play next week when you can get 1 or 2 extra yards.

If he weighs enough to take the field for an NFL franchise, he should weigh enough to do his job, which includes trying to get as many yards as possible to help facilitate his team putting more points on the board.

Your argument weighed a lot less than 180 lbs...and went about as far as Teddy does after a catch.

It's one thing if you're about to take a licking, so you go out of bounds...I get that.  ...but he seems to go to the ground while he makes the catch way too often.

It's all mental here. Darren Sproles is 5 foot 6, which means he is a midget. He isn't scared of contact. Same with the 5 foot 8 Maurice Jones Drew (remember that lick he put on Shawne Merriman?).

Ted Ginn needs to stop being a pussy and lean into a player - there is something called "forward progress" in the National Football League and the mere act of leaning forward after the catch will earn you 1 or 2 additional yards right there. If you get hit and get "sent back", then guess what, the ball is still spotted at the end of the forward progress.

He needs to stop ducking out of bounds and falling to the ground in the fetal position and take some contact. Or, take some lessons from Hines Ward.

 
Ouch...... ;D

 THATs exactly why he was drafted were he was and got all the money he did. Because of his speed and ability to make yards after the catch. Not to be a sideline Pussie. And WTF is with the Gloves? They certainly don't help him catch the ball. Just more evidence of his pussy nature.

I noticed this during the game as well.  Ginn is so light in the ass that when the DB comes into him he just gets pushed aside.  He's better off to jump into the DB and get the PI call.  In game one last year he couldn't get around the DB or even prevent the pick vs the Jets.  One of his best plays ever was a pushoff on a long TD catch that should have been called (and will be this year due to our record).  A lot of people agree he avoids contact at all costs.  This guy is not physical enough to play in the NFL and his speed is pretty much negated because he can't outrun NFL DBs and doesn't want the contact either.  If we had spent a 5th round pick on him instead we possibly wouldn't be having this conversion.  I could deal with it then.