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If I am able to, I would like to nominate Rick Speilman for the Ring of Dishonor.  I noticed no one has been inducted in a few years, and think there is no one out there more deserving. 

Whether it be throwing 5 years $25 million at Jay Fiedler (which was a very good contract for a very average player)
or
one of my all time hated moves by Miami, drafting Jamar Fletcher over Drew Brees in 2001 when we had Madison and Surtain locking up WRs in their prime
or
the fact that we got progressivly worse and drafted absolutley nothing except Chris Chambers, Yeremieh Bell, and V. Carey while he was holding that poistion.

Even though he wasn't responsible, I like to curse him out too for us drafting Jason Allen over Antonio Cromartie in 2006.  To me, Cromartie was like having Sean Taylor playing CB for us.  I think Sean Smith will be a similar player to Cromartie which helps me sleep at night.

What are your thoughts on my nomination?  Am I off base here?

I forgot to add Randy McMichael as one of the few draft picks that did something positive for the Phins.

I really don't know RIPF, at this point, I'm screaming to nominate somebody..... ANYBODY. 

You lost me at RIPF....What is that?

RIPF = Rhode Island Phin Fan

Cam "Camoron" Cameron

Reason :  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)  1-15 season Nuff said

Wanny, had a finger in the 1-15 season and the demise of a once proud franchise.

Nick Saban gets it for me. Say what you want about Wanny, Speilman and Cameron, at least they TRIED and gave it 100% no matter how pathetic that was.  Saban Just turned his back and said FUCK YOU when the going got tough. I hate that mother fucker and his little straw hat.  >:(

Nominations like Cameron make about as much sense to me as nominating Dan Marino.  The last time I checked, the goal of the NFL is to win a Super Bowl.  Marino played for 145 years in Miami and sniffed the big game once, never to return.  If you're going to throw a coach under the bus for ONE 1-15 season why not throw a QB that couldn't get the job done in 13 seasons?  At the end of the day Marino's success means nothing if the ultimate goal is to win a Super Bowl. 

Pretty dumb, right?  Marino couldn't win a Super Bowl using his golden arm all by himself.  And Cameron had a lot of help going 1-15.  And, yet, some people only see what they want.

I think a lot of you need to understand what the word dishonor means.  Defense5499 is on the nose regarding Saban being a better candidate than anyone else in recent history.  Saban's act set this franchise back in the measure of years.  Cameron, ultimately, was collateral damage from Saban's time here.  Somehow a lot of you seem to miss that little point.

I also think Jimmy Johnson caused more damage to this franchise than most are willing to admit.  His blind vision in trying to turn Miami into a running team all while losing a small window of time to take advantage of Marino's last years and ineffectively managing the cap really screwed Miami.  Dave Wannstedt took over a flaming bag of shit and got Miami further than Johnson ever could (and with less talent).  Not to mention Jimmy Johnson's quitting / not quitting act that completely railroaded a season that, prior to that little song and dance, was heading in the right way.

I say the pecking order for this hall should start with Jimmy Johnson.  Saban is certainly in the conversation.

^^^ I don't think your Cameron/Marino comparison works at all. The reason, because the ultimate goal is to win the Super Bowl but that isn't the only goal. Marino accomplished quite a lot and it is blasphemous to compare his role in dolphin history with that of Cam Cameron. But I do agree that Cameron was not single handed in 1-15. I also don't get how you think Jimmie Johnson's retirement/unretirement in January affected a "season headed in the right direction" when there had really been nothing done for the upcoming season at that point.

I support Saban as an entry. I think Rick Spielmen could also be a condidate.

I just wish someone would get selected in. There are a number of functions on this site that have fallen to the wayside with the Ring being the most notable. Whenever you see press on this site it is always mentioned as an outstanding feature, yet is has been ignored for way too long.

I totally agree with you there.  According to Dave, he and Jim were working on a candidate as the 2007 season progressed, then that write-up ground to a halt when that team came within a mule's breath of going 0-16.  A winless team would be an automatic shoo-in.  Unfortunately, that team won a game, and they never picked up where they left off. 

Dave, what's the hold up dude?  If you and Jim need some help with a write up, I'm more than willing to assist.

Jimmy Johnson gave us a great defense and put the only smile on my face in years through Zack Thomas, JT (who we are still reaping benifits from). Sam Madison , and Pat surtain. Man that was a great defense in the early 2000's!  he had some legitmate Life pressures when he left. He didn't go to a different team or Job for more money. Hell I think he deserves credit for backing out when he knew he couldn't give 100% anymore. Unlike Don Shula that was half assing it for almost his last decade here.

I feel there are too many choices....Randy Mueller,had just as much to do with Cam Cameron,as Cam Cameron gets blamed for.....

That's just me.   ;D

Yes, actually, it works fine if you read it and understand what I am saying versus seeing "Dan Marino" tensing up and assuming what I am saying.  You're splitting hairs just to split them.

My entire point, which seems to be missed a little:

1 - You wouldn't consider Dan Marino for this ring based solely on not producing one SB win although he had a lot of time to do just that.  And, yes, winning a Super Bowl is the reason why every team plays.  If you want individual accomplishments play golf or tennis.  What good did Marino's accomplishments due for his linemen?  The safeties?  His running backs?  No title.  That is still, however not my point...
2 - Why would you put a coach in that only coached one year and, like Marino, isn't solely responsible for the wins and losses a team achieves.

Jumping to conclusions aren't you? I'm not splitting hairs just to split hairs. I am completely disagreeing with your comparison. Cam Cameron isn't nominated for not winning the Super Bowl. The fact that Dan & Cameron neither won one is the only comparison you can make and that is no where near why people suggest Cam (notice I feel Saban should be it myself). Cam only coached a year for a reason. Dan played several years for a reason. Your comparison is off the charts inaccurate.

^^^Phish, Cameron doesn't have the body of work to deserve the dishonor, though.  He didn't cripple the franchise.  He was just a guy who coached during the team's worst year, a year during which the team experienced a bunch of very meaningful injuries that, I'm sure, resulted in more losses.

If you want to nominate Wannstedt and Spielman for 6 solid bad drafts, I'm game.  If you want to nominate Saban for 2 more bad drafts plus a snake-like exit, I might be interested.  But nominating Cameron for one year of incredible misfortune, during which he tried like hell to win, and after which he remained classy in his remarks regarding his time here, is like wanting to nominate Marino for 17 years of futility.  It's ludicrous.  THAT, I think, is Maine's point.  He's not comparing Cameron to Marino; he's comparing the insanity of nominating one to the other.  I agree; Cameron shouldn't sniff the ring, because his involvement here was not catastrophic to the team the way a blown first rounder (Yatil Green, Sammie Smith, etc...) was, or a terrible D-Coordinator (Olivadotti) was.

Its only natural to consider the guy who was the coach during the worst season in franchise history.  And, oh by the way, that season is sandwiched between a 9-7 season and an 11-5 season.  Looking at that alone, you could make a case for Cameron's ineptitude.

Do people just like arguing with me, barely read my posts, or am I that difficult to understand? This is the third time I said I think Saban should be the entry. I'm saying in my discussion with Maine that comparing Cameron to Marino as far as their standing with this team is way off in left feild.

^^^Sorry, I was arguing two things at once:  one on the merits of the comparison and second on the Cameron "induction".  You were directly involved in one argument and tangentially involved in the other, so I addressed it to you.  My error.  On Saban, I'd say emotion drives that one more than damage to the franchise.  Again, if it were me, it'd be Wannstedt, not only for 6 years of terrible drafting, but also after considering that he had a hand in destroying the Chicago Bears franchise, too.

Brian, I think we know that the 9-7 year was a true mark of where the Dolphins were/are as a team.  I think I know that 1-15 was helped very much by injuries to Ronnie Brown, Trent Green, and half our secondary.  And I think we're all seeing that 11-5 was done with smoke and mirrors.  Cameron deserves ring of dishonor about as much as Jimmy Johnson did after his first season with the Cowboys.  The main difference between the two cases is one guy got the chance to try again the following year, and the other did not.

Good post, JVides.  I pretty much agree.

Cameron was bad, results-wise, but in terms of long-term damage, what did he really hurt?  He was a care-taker for 1 year, dealing with a mess that was given to him.  He wasn't even in he franchise when those decisions were made.  I refuse to believe that a coach alone is responsible for a 1 win season.

Cameron has no place in the ring of dishonor. He's obviously an outstanding offensive coordinator, based on his work with the Chargers and now the Ravens (who currently have the #2 offense in the NFL). He just didn't have the demeanor to be the head coach of a team that, talent and age considered, needed to be at brick one of a total rebuild job. He "particularly" didn't have the type of HC character to crack the whip and enforce the discipline. The incident where he stood by and watched the players fighting on the team plane after one of the losses clearly demonstrated that.

Actually the dolphins were 6-10 the year before the 1-15 season

Jason Taylor should be in the RoD

For as many inflated stats as he puts up, the team blows goats year in and year out. He is a bum loser pretty boy whose defense crumbled time and time again at every important moment in each season.

Wannstedt should be in the Hall of Shame.

Wanny is why this franchise is trying to climb out of the Dark Ages.

He was given a championship defense, an adequate offense and he froze.

His draft day decisions are horrendous. Eddie Moore IS the biggest draft bust in Dolphins history.

When Nick Saban got to Miami, you have to remember that he didn't have much to work from. Saban drafted Jason Allen who I think is a late bloomer and Ronnie Brown.

Cam Cameron was just a caretaker. Should not have been hired after all BUT Cam has shown so far that he's the only coach that knows how to use Ronnie Brown effectively out of a conventional offense.

If anyone deserves to walk the TDMMC plank, it's Dave Wannstedt.

Conventional offense is another way of saying unimaginative. Innovation is the key to success.

Is there any question about this?  JIMMY JOHNSON.

This is the gentleman who destroyed our offense, made our running game worse, brought in a ton of negativity and in fighting within the team and brought in his successor Wanny.

This jerk also walked on to our team and delivered thinly veiled attacks on Don Shula for no reason. His ego would not let him live in  peace with Marino.

There is no question that Jimmy "the snake" Johnson deserves to be the president of the hall of shame.

Tight end Eric Green. That is all.

Well if you really want to put anyone  in the Ring of Dishonor you can call it between J.J. and Wanny. 

While i do want to See Cam Camoron in there now that i look at it, its most due to anger and the way he handled the franchise.  You cant blame many fans for wanting  Cam in.  He seriously  coached that 2007 fin team in to shit 0-16 ( 1-15  Baltimore  win was a fluke).  Even Norv Turner could have coached Maimi better than that.  He had no control. Nobody respected him.

With all that being said, the demise of the Fins started when JJ came and left the franchise in Wanny hands.  JJ did not draft so great either, Wanny added more B.S..   Someone said JJ destroyed  Miami's Defense. Ummm i can give JJ a lil credit here cause Miami defense was DAMN GOOD under JJ.
You had pro-bowlers  year to year.   JJ failed to do anything on the Offensive side . With Wanny you all know that same old story.  Im still pissed about the whole A.J. Feely deal.   >:( >:( >:( >:(   

Nick Saban just used Miami to get his Money. He is not fit for the NFL. He fucked Maimi when things got tough.

Cam Camoron just inherited years of mess.  But i still dont beleive he did the best from the tools he was given.  Come on he had Ronnie Brown returning kicks off  WTF ::) ::) ::) ???

So out of these 4 individuals who from time to time we bash constantly .   My Vote goes  to Jimmy Johnson