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Title: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: dolphins4life on October 25, 2009, 07:28:09 pm
Ginn - for sucking
Fasano - for dropping Ronnie's good pass
Henne - for bad playing
Gibril Wilson - for shitty tackling
Porter - for a dumb PF
Sparano - for calling TO and stupid game planning
Bess - for fumbling

Any others?

Ok,

Camarillo - for throwing the ball ob, killing the drive
The secondary - for not being able to cover anybody


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: ethurst22 on October 25, 2009, 07:42:04 pm
Ginn and Anthony Fasano. Ronnie Brown made an excellent effort to stay alive and throw the ball and he drops it.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Spider-Dan on October 25, 2009, 07:42:30 pm
Ginn.

His hands are too much of a liability.
His speed no longer matters.
The only "bad" thing Noodles did is prevent these things from being exposed.

I'm done defending him.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: ethurst22 on October 25, 2009, 07:49:58 pm
Ginn.

His hands are too much of a liability.
His speed no longer matters.
The only "bad" thing Noodles did is prevent these things from being exposed.

I'm done defending him.

I'm with you spider Dan. I've made excuses all along for Ginn but he's a wasted pick. Just think, we could have probably copped Dwayne Bowe if we would have had the balls to send Roth and Ginn to Kansas City.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Tepop84 on October 25, 2009, 07:53:13 pm
how could it be anybody other than henne.  what a fucking pathetic game. 


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: dolphins4life on October 25, 2009, 07:54:15 pm
I'm making a fitzy video for this game.  Stay tuned


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Tepop84 on October 25, 2009, 07:57:54 pm
18/37 211 w 2pick6.  most of his completions came on the last drive which was meaningless.  just awful.   HM to ronnie brown.  16 carries 48 yards.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Guru-In-Vegas on October 25, 2009, 08:18:47 pm
Ginn.  I haven't been this disgusted with a Dolphin player since Jay Fiedler.  I've seen more aggresiveness in old lady bowling leagues.

Henne had a lot of dropped passes and screwed up routes.  I think he tried to make lemonade with the shitty toilet water he's been given.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 25, 2009, 08:26:08 pm
Ginn.  He bobbles one pass, then kicks it in the air that's INT for a pick six.  Then he drops a first down and kills our drive, and drops a bomb in the endzone that hit him in the arm.  How could it not be Ginn?


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: stinkfish on October 25, 2009, 08:44:14 pm
So many to pick from. If I have to pick one. I'll give it to Camrillo. They were moving, with two TO's, plenty of time left, and he threw the ball out of bounds.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on October 25, 2009, 08:46:37 pm
Shame of the Game goes to the entire fucking officiating crew.  What a bunch of bullshit calls!!!!!!!

1. Davonne Bess was called for a fumble.  Replays showed that his elbow hit the ground, and then the ground jarred the ball loose, but they refused to overturn the call.

2.  Marques Colston lost control of the ball at the 1 yard line, but they gave him the catch.  

3. Darren Sharper clearly fumbled the ball out of bounds before he went in the end zone on that first pick six, but they gave him the TD.  

4. Brian Hartline was grabbed on that play in the 4th quarter, but no PI call.  

5. Camarillo was trying to get an extra yard by stretching the ball, loses it,  and they call him for an illegal forward pass

6. Joey Porter gets called for a personal foul when the Saints O-Lineman started the whole incident by shoving him in the head first

7.  The Saints were clearly offsides on Chad Henne's second pick six, and flags were thrown, but the refs put the call against the Dolphins.  

This entire fucking game reinforces my stance that someone needs to step up and punch the refs in the face when they make bogus calls.  If these old bastards fear retaliation and possible permanent injury that'll put them in the nursing home if they make bogus calls, they will not make bogus calls!!!!!!


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: raptorsfan29 on October 25, 2009, 08:54:16 pm
like i said in another thread. A group of chimpanzees could call a better game then the group of Neanderthals that called the game.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: DZA on October 25, 2009, 10:07:03 pm
MY SHAME



DEFENSE ---  you guys played like beast in thr first half.  The Secondary  OMG  you fukin blow donkey ass.  Im so mad. 


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Tepop84 on October 25, 2009, 10:13:30 pm
MY SHAME



DEFENSE ---  you guys played like beast in thr first half.  The Secondary  OMG  you fukin blow donkey ass.  Im so mad. 

How many turnovers do you want them to have.  They recover a fumble at the saints 16 yard line, 3 plays later the dolphins get a field goal.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Tepop84 on October 25, 2009, 10:17:53 pm
18/37 211 w 2pick6.  most of his completions came on the last drive which was meaningless.  just awful.   HM to ronnie brown.  16 carries 48 yards.

and he was 6/7 for 42 yards  on the final garbage time drive.   so 12/30 for 169 yards and 2 pick 6s in non garbage time.  fucking terrible.  Don't tell me that the receivers had a bunch of drops.  he was throwing the ball all over the place.  7 yard passes that the receivers had to jump for.  completely unacceptable


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: JVides on October 25, 2009, 10:20:45 pm
I'm giving mine to the D too.  You get 4 turnovers.  You get 5 sacks.  And you STILL give up 32 points?!?! (subtract the 14 for the two picks returned for touchdowns.  O gave up 7, refs gave up the other 7.  That should have been a fumble out of the end zone for a touchback.)

Henne's first pick 6 was because Ginn bobbled the ball - NOT his fault.  His second pick was a miscmmunication, but I think the WR made the right read and Henne made the wrong one, so that one I'll lay on his lap.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Tepop84 on October 25, 2009, 10:22:58 pm
I'm giving mine to the D too.  You get 4 turnovers.  You get 5 sacks.  And you STILL give up 32 points?!?! (subtract the 14 for the two picks returned for touchdowns.  O gave up 7, refs gave up the other 7.  That should have been a fumble out of the end zone for a touchback.)

Henne's first pick 6 was because Ginn bobbled the ball - NOT his fault.  His second pick was a miscmmunication, but I think the WR made the right read and Henne made the wrong one, so that one I'll lay on his lap.

right, it was the defenses fault they gave up the 3 points when the saints returned the kickoff to the miami 5 or whatever it was. No way you can give the SOTG to the defense.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Tepop84 on October 25, 2009, 10:37:04 pm
the coaches fucking blow too.  how can you not run the ball more.  I know ronnie was pretty terrible, but ricky was having a good day.  in a game where they were up by multiple scores for most of the game, how the fuck can a running team attempt more passes than rushes.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: JVides on October 25, 2009, 11:01:29 pm
right, it was the defenses fault they gave up the 3 points when the saints returned the kickoff to the miami 5 or whatever it was. No way you can give the SOTG to the defense.

OK, so they gave up 29 points instead of 32.  They gave up 29 points!!!  Even with 4 turnvers, the Defense gave up 29 points!  What the hell is that!?  The D played lights out for a half.  Then, the bottom fell out.  With like  25 seconds left in the second quarter, NO has like 3rd and 13 at the Miami 40 (estimates, people).  Miami sends 7 or 8.  Boom, completion to the 1.  Even before the play, I was shouting at the TV "don't big-blitz!  Time's on your side!".  Stupid play call, bad execution.  Gave the Saints hope and got the crowd shit-scared.  Yeah, the defense gets the shame.  D-Coordinator included.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Tepop84 on October 25, 2009, 11:06:21 pm
OK, so they gave up 29 points instead of 32.  They gave up 29 points!!!  Even with 4 turnvers, the Defense gave up 29 points!  What the hell is that!?  The D played lights out for a half.  Then, the bottom fell out.  With like  25 seconds left in the second quarter, NO has like 3rd and 13 at the Miami 40 (estimates, people).  Miami sends 7 or 8.  Boom, completion to the 1.  Even before the play, I was shouting at the TV "don't big-blitz!  Time's on your side!".  Stupid play call, bad execution.  Gave the Saints hope and got the crowd shit-scared.  Yeah, the defense gets the shame.  D-Coordinator included.

omg 29 points to the a high powered offense like the saints.  They also had 4 turnovers. 1 of which was deep in new orleans territory. 


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: JVides on October 25, 2009, 11:17:30 pm
Dude, Tepop.  They took away 4 possessions from the Saints and still allowed 29 points.  You really hunky-dory with that?  Really?  In the second half, they looked lost.  Maybe it's because Will Allen wasn't out there blanketing people, but Brees carved up that secondary, and by the end of the game, the pressure was not getting to Brees.  The defense failed to hold the Saints, plain and simple.  The offense was inept in the second half, too, but they had built a lead.  The defense gave it up.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Tepop84 on October 25, 2009, 11:25:35 pm
Dude, Tepop.  They took away 4 possessions from the Saints and still allowed 29 points.  You really hunky-dory with that?  Really?  In the second half, they looked lost.  Maybe it's because Will Allen wasn't out there blanketing people, but Brees carved up that secondary, and by the end of the game, the pressure was not getting to Brees.  The defense failed to hold the Saints, plain and simple.  The offense was inept in the second half, too, but they had built a lead.  The defense gave it up.

LOL, the offense built a lead?  How, by letting the defense pick off a pass and return it to new orleans 4 yard line?  Yea, the offense really did well there putting it in. Or maybe it was their 19 yard touchdown drive after the defense picked off brees again.

Offensive drives in the second half. 
3/-1
3/2
3/9
4/0 fg.  well done offense.  move those chains from the new orleans 15 yard line.
3/71 td.  holy shit an actual drive
3/0
3/0
7/21 td for the wrong team. oops.
8/52 garbage time

who failed. the offense and chad henne.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: JVides on October 25, 2009, 11:39:46 pm
^^^Who cares!?  They didn't follow through!  Look, I love our defense.  I am a fan of defense.  I can enjoy a 6-3 game if it's because the defenses are playing lights out.  But because I love defense, I expect much from the defense, and allowing 3 straight 70+ yard drives, one of which only took 3 plays, is unacceptable.  They pressured Brees for a half and crapped the bed in the second half.  Again, Allen apparently got hurt in the third quarter, so mabe that has a lot to do with it.  I know how everyone here *hates* him, but he's actually a really good, physical corner (with stone hands).

I grant you, the offense got figured out after the first quarter and a half, or maybe the coaches went ultra conservative.  Who knows.  The directive to the defense was to not give up the lead.  They did.  You want to fault Henne for the Sharper pick and score?  Well,  Sharper only got it because Ginn let the ball bounce off his hands not once, but twice, while Sharper got there.  That pick was all Ginn, baby.  According to ESPN - 8 targets, 2 catches.  Implied stat - several (not all) drops.  Same goes for other receivers.

But whatever.  You think what you think, I think what I think.  Moving on.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Spider-Dan on October 25, 2009, 11:54:12 pm
Dude, Tepop.  They took away 4 possessions from the Saints and still allowed 29 points.  You really hunky-dory with that?  Really?
NO averages 38 points per game (well, before THIS game they did, it'll be more now).  The defense held them to a below-average scoring output.  Not only that, it's kind of hard to fault the defense for allowing 29 points when that would have been enough to win (our offense scored 34).

The defense gave 4 extra possessions to the offense.  They are not at fault.

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In the second half, they looked lost.  Maybe it's because Will Allen wasn't out there blanketing people, but Brees carved up that secondary, and by the end of the game, the pressure was not getting to Brees.  The defense failed to hold the Saints, plain and simple.
The Saints are the #1 offensive team in the league.  If you seriously thought that our defense was going to hold them in the teens, you were misguided.

We're supposed to be the #1 rushing attack in the league and we did NOTHING in the second half WITH A HUGE LEAD.  Isn't that when good rushing attacks are supposed to shine?


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Tepop84 on October 25, 2009, 11:55:16 pm
BTW.  Chad Henne now has as many TD passes to the defense as he does to the offense. 


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Brian Fein on October 26, 2009, 01:00:29 am
Why do I not see Gibril Wilson's name in this thread?  This guy is a moron.  Way to play slap-happy with Jeremy Shockey while he runs for 20 more yards, asshole.

The refs were terrible today.

Ginn can't catch for shit.  I, too, am done defending the guy, but I still think cutting him is a mistake.

But the shame goes to Gibril Wilson.  Supposed to be our veteran in an otherwise inexperienced secondary.  For not being able to play pass coverage EVER, you suck.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Dave Gray on October 26, 2009, 01:35:04 am
Henne didn't really have any pick 6s that mattered.

One was a bobbled pass that hit his own receiver and the other was a 4th and long where nobody picked up a blitz and he had to get rid of the ball, so he just threw it up.  The game was over from a sack, anyway.

My point is that Henne didn't make any bad decisions.  We put up a ton of offensive points, despite several dropped passes.  I think that Henne played much, much better than his statline indicated.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: CF DolFan on October 26, 2009, 09:37:16 am
Henne didn't really have any pick 6s that mattered.

One was a bobbled pass that hit his own receiver and the other was a 4th and long where nobody picked up a blitz and he had to get rid of the ball, so he just threw it up.  The game was over from a sack, anyway.

My point is that Henne didn't make any bad decisions.  We put up a ton of offensive points, despite several dropped passes.  I think that Henne played much, much better than his statline indicated.

The receiver didn't pick up the blitz and just kept going. It happened twice yesterday. I really don't see either of the two on Henne though he did have a couple of others that could have fallen on him if the caught it.

My biggest concern is with henne. I don't think we are allowing him to play and will continue toi impede his growth. They stopped the wildcat and then Henne wasn't able to do much. It aggrevated me in the first half that they kept pulling him for Pat White or for the wildcat when he was moving the ball. Let the boy play freaking QB.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Phishfan on October 26, 2009, 09:52:49 am
I'm not sure some of watch the same games. It is really amazing what some people see sometimes but I am going to stay away from arguing anyone's points. My shame goes to Ginn.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: JVides on October 26, 2009, 10:21:05 am
NO averages 38 points per game (well, before THIS game they did, it'll be more now).  The defense held them to a below-average scoring output.  Not only that, it's kind of hard to fault the defense for allowing 29 points when that would have been enough to win (our offense scored 34).

Spider-Dan, this statement in itself seems contradictory.  For the record, I'm not happy with the offensive output.  It's not like I'm saying  "you know, if not for that Defense, we would've won!".  What I am saying is that the defense allowed 3 straight 70+ yard drives in the fourth quarter, none of which took more than 8 plays.  In other words, the Saints were getting almost 10 yards a play by the fourth quarter.  Our offense is what it is; a candle compared to the Saints' high-beam lights.  To have a chance, the D would have to keep the Saints at bay for an entire game.  Because my confidence was in the D, and not in the O, and the D failed just as spectacularly as the O did in the second half, they get my vote.  Agree, disagree, whatever.  Plenty of blame to go around.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Rick on October 26, 2009, 12:33:08 pm
The coaching staff.   Like Tepop said, Why would Miami throw the ball 37 times and run it 30 times in a game where the Phins should have been playing ball control to keep the Saints offense off the field?  Miami has the most physical running game in the NFL and the coaches decided to get into a shootout with the league's most explosive offense in the NFL.  Also, the timeout Sparano took before half was unexcusable.



Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: JVides on October 26, 2009, 12:45:20 pm
Here's one:  Whomever was tasked with blocking Jon Vilma should get some consideration.  Dude blew up every running play in the third and fourth quarter, it seemed.  His name came up constantly.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: Tepop84 on October 26, 2009, 04:10:36 pm
I am changing my SOTG to henning.  guy is a fucking moron.  Unbelievable.  up 24-10 at the half and we manage 8 rushes and 28 passes in the second half.  What the fuck is he looking at. 


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Saints
Post by: NADS on October 27, 2009, 12:22:58 am
Channing Crowder for getting trucked by Mike Bell at least twice and standing there with his thumb up his ass when Brees QB sneaked it for the second time.  I'd like to say coaching for the first Brees sneak, but it doesn't matter when we eventually lose by 12 other than momentum.   


Why do I not see Gibril Wilson's name in this thread?  This guy is a moron.  Way to play slap-happy with Jeremy Shockey while he runs for 20 more yards, asshole.

I blame Vontae O. Davis, super genius, for jumping at Shockey's shoulders and whiffing for this play.  I'd be on Wilson's case more often if he wasn't making nearly 10 tackles a game.  Somebody else (see LBs) need to step up.