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Chad Henne - What more can you say about this POS qb. 

The conservative play calling on offense. No killer instinct going down the field

Henne

Ted Ginn.  Dropped more passes today that could have been TD's if caught, kept running out of bounds on kickoffs like a pussy, mishandled the last kickoff which gave us really shitty field position.

Dan Henning

dishonorable mention to Ted Ginn

lol. which ones could have been touchdowns if he caught them?  the one where henne led him out of bounds?  Or the one he needed a rocketship up his ass to even touch.  take off your rose colored glasses and see that henne sucks.  did you watch freeman at all today, his receivers didn't need to do circus moves to be able to touch the passes.  he put them in their breadbasket.

When did I even say Henne played well?  He played like shit too.  Henne made a monumental mistake with that INT, but he also drove them down the field before Ricky's run made it a chip shot.  That makes up for it a little bit in my book, so he doesn't get SOTG....maybe an honorable mention though.  Ginn didn't do anything to help the team today.  The touchdown drop I'm talking about was the very first play of the game that was a bomb that bounced off of Ginn's hands AGAIN.  Stop trying to start shit troll.

I have to admit that Freeman has touch on certain throws that Henne doesn't. The guy is going to be a force to deal with in years to come. Henne has a problem with arc and touch throws.

I don't actually think Freeman will be a good qb.  He seems to have an awful problem fumbling the ball whenever he is touched, which is just unacceptable.

Tepop, Freeman completed one pass less on three less attempts.  He didn't exactly light it up, either.  And he's got Kellen Winslow to throw to, which is a whole hell of a lot more than Henne has.  Relax, let the kid develop.

SOTG for me goes to the safeties.  Both of 'em.  Killed again by a tight end.  If not for Winslow, Tampa has no offense.  Knowing this, they couldn't stop him.

Yea, freeman has a lot more to work with on the offense.  Oh wait, not.  WTF are you thinking.  Freeman was averaging 1.6 more ypa attempt than Henne.  Henne is great at completing 1 or 2 yard passes. nothing else. 

The one thing that impressed me about Freeman is that he isn't afraid to take off running. When Akin Adelye hit him on the sidelines Akin went backwards. He can keep plays alive with his feet. Henne can't.

People make think I'm crazy but Tyler Thigpen is more suited for Miami's offense in it's current state. Nothing against Henne at all.

Freeman has a perennial pro-bowl caliber TE.  Miami has other team's scrap, undrafted free agents, and Ted Ginn.  Yeah, with Winslow alone, Freeman has more to work with.  WTF are you thinking that you can't see that?  Henne is made to throw the short stuff, just like Pennington was.  This is the offense.  Ball control, no risks.

Shame of the Game goes to Ted "Pansy Ass" Ginn.  Drops two passes he could've caught, goes out of bounds on another catch and didn't think to try to get his feet in, runs out of bounds on nearly every kickoff return, and goes out for a loss on that end around because he pussied out rather than getting hit. 

Ronnie Brown, for the fumble that started the whole thing

Correct me if I'm wrong but the personal foul on the kickoff within the last two minutes was kicked from TB 15 yard line?

And Ginn only made it to the Dolphin 17 yard line? I was expecting him at least to get to the 50 yard line.

Exactly.  Tampa had to kick from their 20, they squib it, the ball bounces, and Ted "Pansy Ass" Ginn lets it get by him.  Then has to go back and get it because he touched it, then gets run down. 

lol. Are you retarded tommy.  would ginn not have to get it if he didnt touch it?  do you even know any rules? You pansy ass poster.

Tepop, you're a fucking idiot.  No, Ginn would not have to get it if he didn't touch it because Tampa could just down it right there.  Because he touched it, it's a live ball. 

Fuck off, loser.

Tommy, on a kickoff, once the ball touches the ground and has traveled farther than ten yards, it's live.  It doesn't matter if the receiving team has touched it or not.

This is the entire principle on which on-side kickoffs are based.

Ronnie Brown and Chad Henne!

















Just joking, teasing Tepop.











Gotta be Ginn. Or Sparano for continuing to have him in a WR role.

Chad Henne for throwing a bad pass that nearly cost us the game, and Ronnie Brown for the fumble that got the rally started that nearly cost us the game.

Dan Henning.  I gotta have more Cat!

Apparently some of you missed the plays that Brown did make--one sort of looked like a touchdown.  More Wildcat or better ankles and he's over 100 easy.

Once again, WORD.

We didn't lose, so I don't like to give out the shame, but if I did, it would come down to how we would have lost.  There are 3 candidates: Ginn, Brown, and Henne.

Ginn dropped a TD pass (again).  But he also did a poor fielding job on the squib kick, after a 15 yard penalty should've started us somewhere near midfield.  Instead, we're inside our own 20.

Brown fumbled which started the avalanche.  (Although, I think he also suffered an injury on the play.)  It's not an excuse for fumbling, but I'm more likely to excuse it.  Pain is a strange thing and you can't always expect someone to keep their focus in that situation.

And finally, Henne.  He had really grown from the previous games and played conservatively.  Did you guys notice that he didn't take sacks.  He played smart and threw it away.  ...then the one big mistake that almost cost us.  You just can't make that throw.  (Although, I also don't think it was the correct call.  You need to run and make them use the timeout.)

HAHAHAHA, two guys arguing over a rule and neither is correct. This is the best thread ever.

what part of my post is incorrect.  i didnt put that the bal needs to touch the ground.  it doesn't, but the kicking team on an onsides kick hits it into the ground because then the receiving team cant call a fair catch.

^^^ Did I ever say your name in my post?

Tommy and Tepop - BOTH OF YOU need to calm down on the personal attacks.  Yes, I said your name in my post.
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You guys need to ease up on Ginn.  The first ball, it would have been a VERY tough catch, and there was a defender on his back.  The ball on the sideline, he made the catch but just couldn't get the feet in (after a decent effort).  You are all just hypercritical of him, and its almost sickening how you still expect him to be perfect.

I think my shame is going to Dan Henning for calling a passing play on 3rd and 7 inside 2 minutes.  I think you have to run the ball and try to get the first down, and if not you make them burn the last timeout and punt it.  Fields has been punting lights out 60+ most of the day.  Make the 1-win Bucs go 70+ yards with no timeouts inside 2 minutes.  Instead, they call a passing play and give the ball away at their own 30.  Henne had no business throwing the ball on that play.

My statement was more of a practical point than a point of rule, since a kick that goes more than ten yards but hasn't hit the ground can be fair caught (as Tepop84 mentioned).

As for Ginn, Brian:

He isn't in a vacuum and you can't evaluate each game by itself without knowing what got us there.  Expectations play a part in all of this.  If Ginn dropped a big play at the beginning of this game after having made some big catches before, that'd be one thing.  But he never makes the tough catch.  He gets open deep and regularly drops balls that hit him in the hands.  It's absolutely unacceptable for a receiver.  You need to make most or all of your easy catches, some of your tough catches, and the occasional circus catch.  Ginn does none of these.  Ginn does nothing to help out his quarterback.  You pretty much know that unless it's an uncontested catch, that he's not going to pull it down.

Therefore, whereas you see a single play where he drops the ball with coverage, the rest of us see a guy who never pulls it out.  This is just adding fuel to the fire.

I disagree.  We should have thrown then and Henne made a mistake ... big deal. Fortunately he got the opportinity to fix it and came through. I bet he learned something there that he wouldn't have if we had run it so whether or not Henne completed the pass or not I think Henning made the right call. In the end Henne has to be able to make mistakes if he is going to grow as a QB. If not we "retard" (per Mad Dog Mandich)  his progression and that's what we have been doing. He has to be allowed to fail.

I would give Dan SOTG for his earlier calls. We should have put them away instead of playing safe. I hate the option with White but even more the timing of it. I hate that we didn't try the end zone on one play before half when we had a timeout left. I hate that we ran it instead of throwing on third and long in the second half.  I hate that we continue to try trick plays week end and week out. I ws very frustrated with him but the Henne INT certainly wsn't it.

Both of these stuck out in my mind. I was wondering if anyone was going to bring up not going to the end  zone before halftime. I hated that call.

I'm SHOCKED at Henning's play-calling this season. It's atrocious. You'd think he was a rookie coordinator and not a guy with 6 years of NFL head coaching experience, in addition to God knows how many years of coordinator experience. I don't know if it's old age or what, but he has a strong tendency to go ULTRA conservative at the worst moments -- and way, way too often. Dance with the one that brung ya, as the saying goes; if the offense has been doing great doing one thing, why switch and go ultra conservative?

Hijack, but Is it just me,but Dan Henning, David Lee,and the rest of the offensive brain trust seem to remind me of the Brain trust of the Oakland Raiders under Art Shell...OLD...

Hijack Number two....Is it me, but does Pat White really seem like a Parcells guy? I kind of thought He'd think,Pat White...Hmmm Quincy Carter...Nahhh I'll pass...
Hijack 2a...The Pat White" Pistol" offense,doesn't seem to work IMO,He hasn't done anything to make a defensive coordinator,plan against...
Hijack 2b With all this being said,are we doing this pistol offense with Pat White,because we really don't have a scatback,speed guy? I mean I'd really rather drafted Lesean Mccoy,or Glen Coffee if that's the case....

Yeah,umm..Dan Henning would get my vote....

I would also like to mention Sean Smith.  He obviously got smoked by a nobody on that TD pass, but he also had to get bailed out by other defenders on a few plays.  On one play, he stood there and criticised someone for making a play on his receiver because he missed an opportunity to make a pick.  If you watch that play, Smith sits and waits for the ball to get there.  If you want to make a play on a ball, go make it and don't just sit and hope it comes to you.  Rookie stuff.

With that said, any way you want to divvy up criticism between Henne, Ginn and Sparano's conservative approach I would be supportive.

The time management at the end raises cause for concern.

Stupid to call the TO with 14 seconds left.

Hopefully one of the staff alerted Sparano about this. 

That was done in case there was a bad snap or something. Fall on the ball and you still get a second chance to kick the game winner.

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Still 14 seconds is too much. 5 or 7 seconds is enough time for that

It takes at least 5 seconds for a FG attempt.  If they called TO with 5-7 seconds left, they would not have had any time left in case of a bad snap.

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That's with the time of the flight of the ball

For a bad snap, you just have to spike it.  That shouldn't take five seconds

That's assuming you catch it.  If it's a all on the ball type situation, the game is over.