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In full disclosure, I'm a Gators fan.  I'm not hardcore.  I didn't go to school there, and I'm fair-weathered to only care when they're good.  But if I'm going to pick a college team, other than my local alma-matter, it's them.  And though FSU is one of their rivals, it's not like I have a hatred for the school or anything.

On top of all that, I don't really like Tebow all that much, personally.

That said, I'm surprised at the amount of venom, gloating, and overall distasteful behavior I've seen from the FSU crowd over the Alabama/Florida loss.  It comes across to me as petty jealously, even more so than you'd usually expect from rival teams.

I'm not the sentimental type who protects athletes all that much, but the kind of vitriol I'm reading on Facebook and from people who are at FSU currently about Tebow crying or the Gators losing is kinda disturbing.  Though I don't think Tebow is going to be a great player in the NFL and am turned off by his very public, outward Christian evangelism, it's hard to deny that the guy has been a picture perfect model, passionate player, who's said all of the correct, humbling things.

What more do you want?  Reveling in someone else's misery in a game that has no impact on you, especially someone so young, seems small.

I know 4 people that are fans of FSU.  Three of them made at least some sort of comment. 

Dave,

Obviously I am one of the three that made some sort of comment.  That said, this portion of your quote says it best when you are surprised at the FSU fans behavior


I'm a complete opposite, Dave.  I am hardcore, more like diehard.  I did attend school at Florida State, and I watch every football and most basketball and baseball games.  I bleed Garnet and Gold.  And I do have an intense hatred towards FSU's rivals.  I love to see those rivals lose.  The only exception is when a rival winning would help FSU's chances of winning the championship.  That is something that is drilled into you over and over again from your first day as a Seminole.   Not to the point where I have anything against fans of rival schools, but it does make for some good smack talk. 

Do you remember how you felt after the Super Bowl on February 3, 2008?  All Dolphins fans felt joy and glee in the demise of the Patriots perfect season, and most TDMMCers (you and I included) were posting thread after thread celebrating and poking fun at Pats, Hoodie, Sportschick, and other Pats fans on this board.   What you felt on that day is what FSU, Georgia, Tennessee, and Alabama fans all felt when the Gators lost the SEC Championship

And Gator fans are not saints.  They taunt the Seminoles whenever they lose big games, and are just as classless about it.   Me and two of my buddies got into a fight with a few of them at the Champs Sports Bowl last year. Just like what you said you think is low class, they showed up at a game their team wasn't even in just to harass people.  They started running up and down the stairs taunting people all game, and in the 4th quarter we decided we'd had enough.  We were not going to let them disrupt our enjoyment of the game, and they ended up getting their asses beat and then they got escorted out by the cops.

It's really simple Dave.  You don't understand the hatred and intensity of the rivalry because you never attended the school.  That rivalry and the behavior that goes along with it is the way of the diehards.  To you, it may seem over the top, but to me it's perfectly normal.

 

I can understand wanting a rival to lose.  I get that.  But I don't understand the joy of reveling in the misfortunes of someone else.

Ask any Patriots fan on this board, or the several that I know in person -- I've never been in their face about a loss or done anything classless in regards to individual players.  I was glad to see them lose in the Super Bowl, ecstatic even (because of its indirect meaning of preserving a Dolphins record), but my joy didn't come from watching my friends feel shitty about it.

It's not about your friends feeling shitty.  You tease them about it for a little bit, then move on.  Most of my insults were directed at the team, not at my friends who are Gator fans. 

Even with you, all I said was, "ROLL TIDE"

You're only helping my argument.  You're admitting that you dished out several insults, some of which were directed at your friends, for a game that you had no involvement in, in a non-divisional game, and ultimately meant nothing to your franchise.

It screams jealousy to me.  Your team is so incredibly inferior that all you're left with is hoping that those close to you can feel as shitty about their team as you do.


I only bring up that I'm not a hardcore Gators fan to try and paint the picture that it isn't just sour grapes on my part.  I just spin the situation and know that I wouldn't and don't act that way.  If Tom Brady loses, I'm glad, but I'm not about to start a Facebook group dedicated to his misery.

It isn't jealousy, it's part of the rivalry.  No matter how good or bad each team is, they root for each other to lose and then celebrate when it happens.   



All Gator Haters on TDMMC can go join the Facebook Group, "I saw Tim Tebow cry and I loved it", which I am a distinguished member of.

Most schools do have a small minority of die-hard complete asshole fans.  And while you had the misfortune of having a bad Gator fan incident, I do not think it is the norm. 

But fans are fans, they are not the players---who should have more respect for their fellow athletes. All I know is that NO other football team has ever purposely destroyed property of another team.  What am I talking about you may ask?  I personally witnessed the entire FSU team of players come onto the center of our beloved Swamp and ALL of them dig their cleats into the midfield logo in order to "stamp" it out of the field.  They made the field unplayable and we had to repair it at our own cost.  To me that shows no class whatsoever.  And if the players themselves do this shit, I can see why FSU fans do it. 

I'm sorry to say Tommy, but FSU fans are in a league by themselves when it comes to poor sportsmanship...

If it makes you guys fell any better I personally will accept any criticisms you may have about FSU after the bowl game.

I am with you Dave.  I never understand when people become HARDCORE fans of random teams just because they're playing their rival.

I wore a Rams jersey when they played the Pats in the Super bowl, but I didn't trash talk.  No "you just got your ass whooped" 

Leave that for the REAL fans of that team, who watch EVERY GAME.

It would be hard to trash talk since the Rams lost.

As a Miami Hurricane Fan,  We HATe  BOTH FSU and UF ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D   Eat Green  Sissy

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More Talent in the NFL out of all the Florida Programs.

THE U Knows  Baby

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This is a complete contradiction.  You state that you are a diehard that bleeds school colors.  Therefore you should be reasonable enough to understand the fans of another team do the same.  Thus you are directly attacking your friends that root for another team by directing your insults at the team.

This is a cop out.

One thing that has always driven me nuts about aspects of sports?  It is almost as though people enjoy watching another team lose more than they enjoy watching their own team win.  Case in point, the Yankees winning the World Series.  It did not happen here, but on facebook and the radio?  Yankee fans coming out of the woodwork saying things along the lines of "we win!  Suck in Red Sucks fans!"

Unless the two teams are playing each other, why does it matter?  In this case, Boston's season had ended two series ago by that point.  Same holds true with Dave's stance.  "Roll Tide, suck it Gators" coming from a Florida State fan makes no sense at all.  None.

I was recruited by the University of Oregon and was red shirted (against my will).  Although I ended up transferring - to this day I am still a huge Ducks fan.  You won't find a larger rivalry than the Ducks and OSU Beavers.  We hate the Beavers.  It runs deep.  That said, the only time I care about what happens to the Beavers is when they play the Ducks.  I could care less if the Beavers can leveled by the Huskies, or anyone else.  I am in Dave's court on this and can say that I'm a level up in my "involvement" as I actually played for the team.  Well, kind of.  I practiced.

I do enjoy watching some teams lose, but I don't do the trash talking. I have rooted for Notre Dame to lose every game I can remember, except against Michigan. Mighigan I root for to lose every game. I think it is fine to want to see a team lose, but to rub someone's face in it when your team had no part doesn't make sense to me either.

I remember that.  And I also remember a year earlier, quite a few Gators players were dancing on the FSU logo at midfield.  Both incidents triggered a bench clearing brawl.  Like I said earlier, Gators fans and players are not saints. 

As for the tearing up of the turf, that's an FSU tradition that has gone back to at least the early Bobby years if not before.  It's called the Sod Cemetery. 

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I guess some people here are die hard Dodgers fans as well.

Tommy, are you making the point that it's not petty to post pictures of a college player crying after his dreams were crushed?  I'm not understanding your point.  It looks to me like you're petty, but you just don't give a shit.

I'll straight up admit that I loved it when Alabama made Tebow cry...and I HATE Alabama.  I wanted to freeze Tebow's tears and skate on them, then melt them down and drink them.  I can't stand the Gators or Tebow.  Why hate on Tebow?  He's too perfect, and it doesn't help that the media washes his balls all the time.  He probably deserves all the attention, but it just pisses me off that every time he throws a pass to Riley Cooper, the announcers have to comment that they are roommates.  Not really a good reason to not like a player huh?  Call it jealousy if you want (which I'll straight up admit, it probably is), but FSU fans aren't the only ones hating on Tebow.

Another reason I hate the Gators, and why I love to see them lose, is that Tampa is filled with Gators.  I go to a sports bar not 2 miles away from USF campus, and they have the Gator game on the big screen, with sound, and the USF game is in the corner somewhere on a dinky ass T.V.  Not to mention half of USF students are ALSO Gator fans.  Sure, I actually used to be a Gator fan, but I abandoned that when I started going to USF.  I walk around campus, and there are fuckers wearing UF gear...at USF!  Do you think there is one person wearing anything else other than Orange and Blue at UF?  Last time I checked, these people were going to USF (who are in a BCS conference), not UF.

Don't get me wrong...I hate FSU and the Canes too, but the Gators really needed to be knocked off their high horse.


Sorry, didn't mean to go all Jtex there. :P

That explains why you can't understand how F$U fans can relish in the defeat of a bitter rival. I'm a dieheard Gator fan and everytime F$U or Miami losses im like a pig in slop. A great Saturday of college football to me is a GATOR win and losses by F$u, Miami, Jawga, and Tenn. You always wish for your rivals to lose.

Dave, F$U has been chomping at the bit to release some excitement this year, because their own team provided very little. The gators have beaten F$U six times in a row and the last 3 the games were over by halftime. They're jealous because Urban Meyer has done  everything they said couldn't be done in regards to running the spread in the SEC.  They said  he couldn't win after Ron ZOOK'S RECRUIT left.


They're jealous because the gators A.D Jeremy Foley fired Ron zOOK AFTER 2.5 YEARS and hired a proven winner in meyer. You think F$U fans wished their A.D had gotten rid of bowden 5 years ago. While the gators have been winning championships and kicking their ass on the field and on the recruiting trail, they've been a sinking ship. Why do you think they meyer to go to NOTRE DAME, because as long as he's coaching the gators they're in trouble.


I'M bummed out just like most gator fans are about last saturday, but i wouldn't trade our run for anything. Also, if college football think the gators are just going to fall of the map because tebow is leaving, they're not. We're going to be loaded for years to come. Let F$U laugh at our expense,  because they will soon realize Gumbo fisher isn't the answer and they will continue to be the laughing stock of college football.

Dreams crushed?  The guy is arguably the greatest college football player of all time, was the first sophomore to win the Heisman and already has two national titles.  I think he's had his share of dreams come true.

Most importantly, above anyone being petty, I think there is a cardinal rule...

There is no crying in football, and all who do are subject to ridicule.

Word.

But let's ease up on that "greatest player in college football ever" tag. 

The Dolphins Make Me Cry so there IS crying in football.

Like GoCowboys just said, you don't understand the rivalry.  He's a diehard Gator fan and relishes it when FSU loses. 

You're half right.  I'm not being petty.  But I don't give a shit..... what you or anyone else think of me.  I'm gonna say what's on my mind. 


I wouldn't be so sure.  Now that the coaching dilemma is settled, FSU has started to pick up some top notch recruits.  Stole Jeff Luc from the Treasure Coast.... a hard hitting linebacker that had previously committed to the Gators.

I'm a die hard Gator fan and I don't care whether FSU loses as long as they lose when they play Florida. In fact there are times when I root for FSU because I'm a bit of a homer and like to see the FL schools do well. Same goes for USF, UM, FAU, etc.

^^^^ That's the way it should be. I'm fortunate in that I didn't go to any of the schools ... other than to party and see friends ... so I'm a fan of all.  I alo root for our rivals in the NFL when they aren't playing us. I always want for my division/state/etc to do well  if we aren't.

^ CF, that is true of everyone, I think.  The issue here is rubbing it in the faces of fans of those teams when they lose.

I root for Marshall when they don't play WVU, but Michigan & VA Tech I never root for.

What about Pitt?  The Backyard Brawl. 

Pitt really doesn't get rooted for either.

I do understand the rivalry.  I'm not a retard.  ...and like I said, there are teams that I hate in the NFL, namely the Jets, as much as anyone hates the Gators.

That said, I don't call up my friends that like the Jets when they lose a big game.  I don't make Facebook groups about Mark Sanchez's inadequacies. 

It's not even the fact that people route against Florida.  I get that.  It's that after the Gators lose, how everyone comes out of the woodwork to gloat about it.

^^^

Dave, I'm with you 100%. I want our rivals to do well. I'd like nothing better than to meet an undefeated FSU in November and end their season with a loss. It's a little more complicated in the NFL because of the division playoff implications, but in general, I root for AFC East teams whenever their wins will not negatively impact the Fins.

The one exception might be Alabama. I have nothing against Bama or its fans, per se, but their coach is the devil. I'll root against them at every opportunity until he whose name shall not be spoken is run out of town.

i cant stand  Them Gators , Hate, yes i liked it better wen FSU & Miami were on top.

Soon enough.

 ;D

But in all truth, Majority of people hate to see perfection especially when it comes to your rival team.  Now if its is your team, you would have not one care in the entire world cause you will rub it in everyone faces.  So case in point,  Not just FSU fans but Fans in general are sometimes petty.  We all can be pricks. 

I can admit, when Miami ruled the world, i was cocky S.O.B.  But the yrs of football futility hit  me and you learn to be a humble Fan.  You learn that a program can rise and then Fall.  It happens

Dave,
I'm sure I was one of the three noles you were talking about as well, and all I really got to say is your blog post is a lot like Tim Tebow crying after the game. Sounds like sour grapes to me.  The gators lost, get over it. Of course rival fans are going to be happy about the loss. If facebook was around back in the 90s there would have been all kinds of groups and fan pages (whatever they have on that site) making fun of the noles when they lost huge games. Just cause the internet wasn't around back then doesn't mean the gators were rooting for the noles. I know a bunch of gator fans and they have no problem bringing up how bad we've been the last 8 years, which is fine, but when the gators get totally manhandled for 60 minutes we're going to let them hear about it too.

Dave, this is why people relish the Gators losing.  As an aside, surprisingly, GoCowboys didn't use his usual name for Miami (ScUM), but did for Florida State (F$U).  Strange...
Anyway, It's a cycle of hatred that goes 'round and 'round.  I may not pick on you when the Gators lose, because you're not into it, but if Cowboys and I were office mates, I'd have been in his face all day Monday because he'd have been in my face after VA Tech, Clemson, and UNC, and most certainly after each of the last two Gators championships.  Your guys hate our guys, ours hate yours.  We give each other hell over it. As long as nobody's punching out players (classy Notre Dame fans, those), I don't have a problem with some trash talk.

Guess you've hit the big-time.  Welcome to life as a Hurricanes fan.

As a political/cultural aside:  Welcome to life as an American.