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I thought this call was BS.

And I think it cost the Dolphins the game.

The DB looked like he was getting up to run.  Camarillo just touched him, didn't pounce on him.  In that situation, that call should not have been made.

There were a lot of ticky-tack phantom calls against the Dolphins all day (the second holding call against Soliai was a joke), but this one cost them the game. 

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

On the Greg penalty, it was a bad call.  He was pushed from behind to make that penalty seem worse than it was, causing a small pile up.  He did what he was supposed to do and that is making sure the guy was down.

The 2nd Soliai penalty was BS too.

I don't remember him being pushed. I saw it on replay yesterday and as I recall it, he sort of dove into him with his arms (not the body). I really like that the refs HAVEN'T CALLED those things as much this year as previously, but that does Miami little good.

As for costing the Dolphins the game, well, it's not like the Titans wouldn't have tried to get some yards (unlike the ultra-safe runs up the middle they did). Could we have prevented the Titans from getting a new first down? I don't know, maybe, but I wouldn't have bet on it...

I agree.  Camarillo wasn't pushed into him.  He kind of lunged into him, leading with his arms as you pointed out.  I've seen the refs ignore that plenty of times.  But by the same token, it wasn't a very smart move on Camarillo's part (although I understand that it was probably partly out of making sure that the guy was down and partly out of frustration).   And the Titans may have been able to advance the ball on offense even if they didn't get the penalty yardage.  But it would have been nice if they had to earn the yardage instead of picking it up via penalty.  Unfortunately, the fact remains that the Dolphins really blew a lot of opportunities yesterday and it shouldn't have come down to overtime in the first place if they had executed on a lot of the opportunities they had early in the game.

This is the second time the refs have made a bullshit call on Camarillo, the first was when he was trying to extend the ball and lost it and the refs called him for an illegal forward pass.  I don't know if the refs are targeting him, targeting the Dolphins, or what, but like I said in many other threads, when refs start making bogus calls, it's time to retaliate. 

Camarillo said after the game that his teammates were screaming at him to get up and run and he was starting to get up so he felt like he had to "contact" him down.

If Camarillo does nothing, and the guy gets up and runs for a TD, who's the goat?  He looks like a buffoon today.  What he did was just sound football fundamentals, and it cost Miami 15 yards.

The penalty on Camarillo was total BS. For the refs to call that in that situation was just another example of their ineptitude for the entire game.

I'm starting to come around

1) Jets game, phantom PI call

2) Saints game, Sharper's non-TD

3) And this game

The refs always screw us.

This was an awful call, even if technically within the rules (which I question).  It wasn't indicative of the play.  Camarillo wasn't being unnecessarily rough.  He was making contact with a downed player that hadn't yet been touch.  It wasn't even a hard hit.

Not only did it pretty much end the game, but it pretty much ended a hot team's season.

Calls like this take the game out of the hands of he players and into the hands of the refs.  It's too bad.

^^ Dave is spot-on...

I wonder if the competition committee will have anything to say after reviewing the game films.  Sadly, I don't think they will own up to this one...

This did not cost them the game. The Henne 3 INT game, including the final INT, cost the Dolphins the game. The Titans would have picked up the 15 yards on a pass play anyways.

I see what you're saying but that's a big assumption.  You give them 15 for free and they kick a FG.  At least without it, they have to try to get that 15 yards, and then anything could happen.

To say it "cost them the game" is not wholly accurate, but to say it "sealed the game" for the Titans would be better.

I don't know if this is true or not, but according to a guy that I knew that was a videographer for NFL Films, a lot of people in the league office don't like Miami because...

The attempt to snuff out other sites for the Super Bowl.

Obnoxious fans.

Bragging about the perfect season.

When Huiezenga was owner, voting against certain revenue sharing items.

 For years, Don Shula was on the rules committee and refs were so intimidated that they didn't want to make a bad call. When Shula stepped down, guess who came to the front as lead moderator?

Jeff Fisher.

The only relevant issue at hand is: Did the refs blow the play dead?

When they blow a play dead, they do it very emphatically. That's not to say that a player will always hear it, but if the play was blown dead, the roughing penalty is going to get called more often than not.

If Camarillo thought the guy was getting up, he read the situation poorly. He was nowhere near up when Camarillo dove into him (with his arms).

I still wish they wouldn't call this ticky tack stuff. Unless it's a ROUGH hit, calling unnecessary roughness just seems stupid.

A good read on this subject...

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-notebook1222-20091221,0,7028364.story

Here is the true killer (for me at least).  I was yelling at the TV "He wasn't touched, someone touch him down!".  Then sure enough, Camarillo comes in and does his usual job of making the smart play and I am feeling ok.  Then all the sudden they start talking about him getting a 15 yarder for that play.  Next thing I knew, they were ready for a field goal and I was like WTF!

I guess the refs have it in for us this season.

Is it because of Shula's years on the committee.

Usually, I've seen things even out with bad calls in Dolphins seasons. 

This year, they haven't.

I looked at the play again, and you guys were right...it wasn't a Titan that went over his back, it was a Dolphin.  Either way, it was a bullshit call that never should have happened.

Greg got fined $5000 for that "late hit".  The bullshit just keeps piling up.

I guess the NFL has it in for us this year

Not only should it not have been called, but they later reviewed it and decided to fine him?

Just... Wow...  ::)

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-notebook-1225-20091224,0,3788310.story

Here's the link.  (one of the admins fix the link if it is broken)

That's what Mike Peireira has to say about.

Ridiculous, utterly ridiculous. 

I now officially can't stand Mike Peireira's rediculous ass!  He can take that X-Box controller he uses on NFL network and shove it up his butt.

that guy's a moron.