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Title: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Phishfan on February 24, 2010, 11:57:43 am
For those who have not heard Tony Kornheiser was suspended by ESPN fior comments he made about Hannah Storm.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/espn_talker_in_hot_water_over_comments_2olXLO2oQciHDN8pAlWdNJ

Although I don;t think what Tony said was shocking, I completely disagree and really enjoy the way Hannah dresses. I enjoy the short skirts, tight tops, and high heels. Is it wrong to mix a little sex appeal with sports? I think not.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Tepop84 on February 24, 2010, 12:04:57 pm
according to http://deadspin.com/5478363/espns-tony-kornheiser-suspension--more-about-chris-berman he was actually suspended for comments about chris berman.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Dave Gray on February 24, 2010, 01:45:22 pm
I don't think what he said was all that bad.  I don't understand the punishment.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: JVides on February 24, 2010, 02:50:26 pm
^^^ ESPN has a "don't criticize other ESPN Employees" policy, from what I read.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Sunstroke on February 24, 2010, 02:51:45 pm

I was a little surprised by this as well, and wonder if maybe there isn't more to this that we aren't hearing about yet. Since it is only a 2 week suspension, I doubt any of the other stuff will come out either.



Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: jtex316 on February 24, 2010, 03:23:23 pm
Hannah Storm does dress like a tramp. She's a very thin and slender 47 year old and wears prostitute-like clothing all the time. She brings it on herself.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Sunstroke on February 24, 2010, 03:28:54 pm

Hannah Storm is a MILF of the first order...



Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: jtex316 on February 24, 2010, 03:30:40 pm
It's weird. When she worked for NBC, I thought she was annoying. Then when she jumped to ESPN, they started doing full-body shots of their crew and her features began to be showcased.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Tepop84 on February 24, 2010, 03:37:30 pm
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2q404sx.jpg)


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: jtex316 on February 24, 2010, 03:48:21 pm
^ tramp.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Phishfan on February 24, 2010, 04:13:25 pm
Hannah Storm is a MILF of the first order...



I have wanted to start a "your hottest ESPN personality" contest for some time now, but the one time I went for photos of her I didn't like what I found.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Sunstroke on February 24, 2010, 04:58:32 pm

Give me Hannah Storm, Rachel Nichols and a 5 gallon jug of industrial lube, and I am halfway to heaven...



Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Defense54 on February 24, 2010, 07:02:46 pm
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2q404sx.jpg)

Oh dang!!  I love a nice Cougar but is this chick Color blind? She looks like a catholic school nightmare.  But reguardless of how you feel......WTF is wrong with someone giving an opinion? Come back with one of your own or dress better.  geez.......god forbid they actually make the show a little bit interesting.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Defense54 on February 24, 2010, 07:04:18 pm
Give me Hannah Storm, Rachel Nichols and a 5 gallon jug of industrial lube, and I am halfway to heaven...



Better make it 10 gallons.........I think these chicks started blowing dust a while ago.  ::)


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: SportsChick on February 24, 2010, 07:34:56 pm
Wow, a woman wears a skirt shorter than her knees with boots and she's labeled a tramp? Did I enter the way back machine and get out in 1950?


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Spider-Dan on February 24, 2010, 07:55:16 pm
That outfit is appropriate if you are hosting Access Hollywood or Total Request Live.  It is not appropriate for SportsCenter, or anyone that wants to be taken seriously in the field of journalism.

The male equivalent would be an Ed Hardy t-shirt with baggy jeans hanging halfway down your ass.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: SportsChick on February 24, 2010, 08:19:16 pm
Appropriate or not, does that qualify her to be labeled as a tramp?


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Philly Fin Fan on February 24, 2010, 08:26:38 pm
The male equivalent would be an Ed Hardy t-shirt with baggy jeans hanging halfway down your ass.

Dude, are you serious?

First thing, her outfit is not unprofessional. I deal with tons of women on a daily basis dressed very similarly.

Secondly, the comparison you made is ridiculous. She's not wearing a "hoochie momma" outfit.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Bv2JCUhRdUE/SJ3ZeU5GiRI/AAAAAAAAAuE/YxqVZzBkEPg/s400/baggy_jeans.jpg)

Who are you, Reverend Shaw Moore?


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: ToticoLicker on February 24, 2010, 08:32:30 pm
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Bv2JCUhRdUE/SJ3ZeU5GiRI/AAAAAAAAAuE/YxqVZzBkEPg/s400/baggy_jeans.jpg)

Pants on the ground!!!  Pants on the ground!!!  U lookin' like a fool wit yo pants on the ground!!!!!


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Philly Fin Fan on February 24, 2010, 08:36:44 pm
Is Erin Andrews dressed more professionally, especially considering she's on a field!

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1OMiSrEJXnY/SJHfidFQAiI/AAAAAAAAH_0/4OAGXeGmjhc/s400/erin+andrews.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1OMiSrEJXnY/SJHeadN0YEI/AAAAAAAAH_s/n9lyMPoq954/s1600-h/Erin.jpg)


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Spider-Dan on February 24, 2010, 10:29:39 pm
Slightly more, but still not-quite-professional.

Then again, Erin Andrews is not exactly the gold standard of professional attire (http://thebiglead.com/?p=6931).


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Spider-Dan on February 24, 2010, 10:33:47 pm
Appropriate or not, does that qualify her to be labeled as a tramp?
When NBA players used show up to press conferences decked out in FUBU with platinum grills, it didn't mean that they were thugs.  It just meant that they were dressed like thugs.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: bsmooth on February 25, 2010, 04:21:06 am
Appropriate or not, does that qualify her to be labeled as a tramp?

First of all look who is calling her that. Nuf said.
Secondly she is almost 50 years old, and that outfit does nothing to flatter her or to enhance her looks. It screams of an older woman trying to look younger and hip in a competitive market. I think Tony was right to call out the travesty that is that outfit.
That photo of Erin looks like someone got lost on there way to the junior prom.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Sunstroke on February 25, 2010, 08:58:12 am
 
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1OMiSrEJXnY/SJHfidFQAiI/AAAAAAAAH_0/4OAGXeGmjhc/s400/erin+andrews.jpg)


Could the ballplayer on the left be any more blatant about staring at Erin's legs?



Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Philly Fin Fan on February 25, 2010, 09:31:30 am
Could the ballplayer on the left be any more blatant about staring at Erin's legs?

When I found that pic, I thought the same thing! The caption of the pic was something about her distracting the Cubs while she was in their clubhouse.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Phishfan on February 25, 2010, 09:35:18 am
Maybe the Taliban has it right. Dress her is a burqa and make her walk ten paces behind the rest of us.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 25, 2010, 11:10:46 am
ESPN hires the women to dress like that.  Lets face it neither Strorm nor Andrews was hired were hired for their knowelge of sports. 

They serve two roles and two roles only:

1. Appease female sports fans so they won't bitch that ESPN is sexist cause it only has male sportcasters.

2. Be eye candy for male sports fans.

When one of their own comments on the second, it defeats the first role.  Particularly post-Andrews tapes, in order to keep the females happy they need to come down hard on anyone who comments about eye candy role. 


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Spider-Dan on February 25, 2010, 11:23:15 am
Maybe the Taliban has it right. Dress her is a burqa and make her walk ten paces behind the rest of us.
Because clearly, the choices can only be "wear revealing clothing that's more suitable for Da Club" or "have your entire body smothered in canvas."  There is no middle ground.

There is such a thing as plain, uncontroversial professional attire for women; you can see it on any of our female members of Congress at any time.  I've even heard a rumor that they've started making full-length slacks for women!  It's a scary world.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: jtex316 on February 25, 2010, 11:34:31 am
These outfits are ridiculous and out of place. Look how completely out of place Erin Andrews is with that ridiculous yellow dress!

You never see Suzy Kolber or a few of the other girls wear stuff like that. They wear female business suits or female professional attire. That's the way it should be for a TV anchor. Wearing knee-high boots with a short mini-skirt is completely to show off your body as the priority. Reporting sports properly to the national audience should be the priority.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Phishfan on February 25, 2010, 12:04:06 pm
Because clearly, the choices can only be "wear revealing clothing that's more suitable for Da Club" or "have your entire body smothered in canvas."  There is no middle ground.

There is such a thing as plain, uncontroversial professional attire for women; you can see it on any of our female members of Congress at any time.  I've even heard a rumor that they've started making full-length slacks for women!  It's a scary world.

Revealing? She has on long sleeves, a non-plunging neckline, and boots. Skirts above the knee have been worn since the sixties. You sir are living in a past generation if you think that is reveling. There is not a thing wrong with that outfit. I suppose you advocate sleeping in separate beds just like Lucy & Ricky also?


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Phishfan on February 25, 2010, 12:06:53 pm
ESPN hires the women to dress like that.  Lets face it neither Strorm nor Andrews was hired were hired for their knowelge of sports. 

They serve two roles and two roles only:

1. Appease female sports fans so they won't bitch that ESPN is sexist cause it only has male sportcasters.

2. Be eye candy for male sports fans.

When one of their own comments on the second, it defeats the first role.  Particularly post-Andrews tapes, in order to keep the females happy they need to come down hard on anyone who comments about eye candy role. 

You are a sexist (taking the buddha role since she doesn't pop into these threads).


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: bsfins on February 25, 2010, 12:20:07 pm
I don't think Erin Andrews,is the same league in the sense of Hannah Storm..Hannah Storm spent how many years at NBC sports, then went to the early show, before joining ESPN...Erin Andrews has been around what 5 years? Hannah Storm Already proved herself, to be "taken seriously in the field of journalism" (especially whenwe're talking about hosting sportscenter...I'm not needing Edward R.Murrow Awards Winners to tell me the score of the Dolphins Jets game....)

I think she's earned the right to wear what she wants, as long as the It's ok with the higher ups....


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Spider-Dan on February 25, 2010, 01:16:22 pm
Revealing? She has on long sleeves, a non-plunging neckline, and boots. Skirts above the knee have been worn since the sixties. You sir are living in a past generation if you think that is reveling. There is not a thing wrong with that outfit.
I was actually speaking more to Erin Andrews, not Hannah Storm.

Hannah Storm's outfit was not so much "revealing" as it was "trashy and inappropriate."  Miniskirts may have been around since the '60s, and knee-high boots may have been around even longer, but wear them both together and the result is unprofessional.

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I suppose you advocate sleeping in separate beds just like Lucy & Ricky also?
Seriously, are you completely unable to make a distinction between "this is what is acceptable in the workplace" and "this is what is acceptable in your personal life"?  For example, I'm not going to be criticizing Storm for wearing this:

(http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/hannah_storm_1891530.jpg)

...even though that's a far racier outfit, because it seems rather apparent that she's not actually working at the time.  If she wants to wear transparent latex catsuits on her own time, more power to her.  But when she's performing her "I'm a serious newswoman!" role, she should attempt to dress the part.

You seem to want to boil everything down to a ridiculous dichotomy of "well if you think that she shouldn't wear a see-through blouse at work, then I guess you also think people should always keep their clothes on when they have sex!"  It's slightly more nuanced than that.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: SportsChick on February 25, 2010, 01:34:28 pm
Joe if you think that's a mini skirt, you haven't been paying attention on the FAU campus


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Phishfan on February 25, 2010, 01:55:31 pm
Miniskirts may have been around since the '60s, and knee-high boots may have been around even longer, but wear them both together and the result is unprofessional.


That isn't a miniskirt first off. Second, have you ever lived in the Northeast? From my memory it was very common for women to have knee high boots with a skit as work attire, especially in the winter months. You think the outfit is not meant for the workplace, but according to ESPN execs (and apparently Disney since they are the parent) and most of us in this thread you and Kornheiser are in a very conservative minority.

As for the rest, I was taking it to an extreme.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: bsfins on February 25, 2010, 02:08:27 pm
Geez I think some of you guy's are taking Sportscenter WAY too seriously...If she really wanted to be considered a "Serious  newswoman"" WTF is she doing on Sportscenter? Why wouldn't she have stayed at CNN,or When she Left hosting the CBS morning show, went to the News department...Nope, she went to ESPN...


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Philly Fin Fan on February 25, 2010, 02:23:40 pm
Hannah Storm's outfit was not so much "revealing" as it was "trashy and inappropriate."  Miniskirts may have been around since the '60s, and knee-high boots may have been around even longer, but wear them both together and the result is unprofessional.

Have you ever been to NYC? I go to NYC once a week, and deal with females ALL THE TIME that wear knee high boots and skirts.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: bsmooth on February 25, 2010, 03:58:05 pm
Be honest. If you saw another woman her age dressed like this, what would you think?
That outfit is an eyesore, and is not befitting for a professional to wear at her job who is 20 years younger.
It is obvious that Erin was brought in primarily for eyecandy, but not Storm. Storm is a news anchor, not a sideline show. Would you ever expect Katie Couric or any other female anchor to dress like this? The answer is no. There are many ways she could have attired herself that would have been both professional and still exuded her femininity and a little sex appeal.
This outfit is neither professional or sexy.
Did you see the red dress, lower neckline and matching high heels she busted out after Tony's suspension? This woman gives the impression that she is trying to compete with younger women whom are far beneath her profession wise.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: bsfins on February 25, 2010, 04:09:08 pm
^^^ Apples and Oranges...Katie Couric, Meredeth Viera,Barbara Walters,Ann Curry = NEWS ...Hannah Storm = Sports = Entertainment...

Modified to add...Sportscenter covers....Interview with Kobe Bryant, Breaking news Brett Farve takes three shits today,Break down Cleveland Boston Match up...

News ...covers Wars in Afghanistan,war in Iraq,Economy,health care debate,Interviews congressmen....


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Sunstroke on February 25, 2010, 04:10:27 pm
I didn't see anything unflattering about Hannah's outfit at all, and if I saw another woman her age wearing it... oh, wait...I do every day.

I think this whole thing is pretty ridiculous.

I think that unless Kornheiser...

A) wants other ESPN personalities to comment on his baldness/ugliness/1940's wardrobe, or
B) Leaves ESPN to go work for the Style Network

...then he should just keep his pie hole closed about other folks' choices in apparel and let those apparel-questionable employees be counseled by their manager/employer.



Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Philly Fin Fan on February 25, 2010, 04:32:26 pm
Be honest. If you saw another woman her age dressed like this, what would you think?
That outfit is an eyesore, and is not befitting for a professional to wear at her job who is 20 years younger.

Seriously? I see and deal with women day in and day out dressed like this. And women who are anywhere from 25-55! Seriously. Go to NYC and take a look around.  Check that- go to any major metropolitan area and take a look around!


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Spider-Dan on February 25, 2010, 04:38:11 pm
Seriously? I see and deal with women day in and day out dressed like this. And women who are anywhere from 25-55! Seriously. Go to NYC and take a look around.  Check that- go to any major metropolitan area and take a look around!
Go to Congress and look around.  I guarantee you'll see nothing of the sort.

Professionalism is professionalism.  I don't think that Hannah Storm's level of dress (as a SportsCenter anchor) should be anything below what you would expect from female anchors at other news organizations.  (That's certainly true of the men.)

Now, to be fair, you do have people like Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin who also wear questionable ensembles with regularity.  However, I humbly submit that if one has to cite Deion and Irvin as examples, one has already lost the argument.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: StL FinFan on February 25, 2010, 04:42:29 pm
Women sportscasters can wear whatever they want, so long as they know what they are talking about.  Obviously, ESPN does not have a problem with the way they dress or they would have a policy against it.  If ESPN does have a policy against criticizing other employees, then they were right to suspend him.  If you have a policy, you need to enforce it.

So just what is a woman over 40 supposed to wear?  A mumu?  Get over it guys.  If you got it, flaunt it.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Philly Fin Fan on February 25, 2010, 05:11:32 pm
Go to Congress and look around.  I guarantee you'll see nothing of the sort.

Professionalism is professionalism.  I don't think that Hannah Storm's level of dress (as a SportsCenter anchor) should be anything below what you would expect from female anchors at other news organizations.  (That's certainly true of the men.)

Now, to be fair, you do have people like Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin who also wear questionable ensembles with regularity.  However, I humbly submit that if one has to cite Deion and Irvin as examples, one has already lost the argument.

Seriously? So I'm supposed to base the way people dress according to the way Congress dresses?


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: bsmooth on February 25, 2010, 05:13:06 pm
Seriously? I see and deal with women day in and day out dressed like this. And women who are anywhere from 25-55! Seriously. Go to NYC and take a look around.  Check that- go to any major metropolitan area and take a look around!

Just because people on the street wear something does not mean it is alright for even occasion. Your use of examples is hilarious. This country has a notorious problem of people wearing innapropriate outfits for their jobs, age, weight, height, skin tone, etc. People daily attire themselves in outfits and accoutrements that are not flattering and in some cases downright ugly. But with our PC society you cannot say anything for fear of violating someones right to look like an assclown.
She is an anchorwoman on a national tv network. She can and should be held to the same standards as other anchorwomen who also appear on a nationally televised network. Reading the cue cards with news updates is the same wether it is ESPN or CBS. The only difference is content.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Philly Fin Fan on February 25, 2010, 05:29:23 pm
Just because people on the street wear something does not mean it is alright for even occasion. Your use of examples is hilarious. This country has a notorious problem of people wearing innapropriate outfits for their jobs, age, weight, height, skin tone, etc. People daily attire themselves in outfits and accoutrements that are not flattering and in some cases downright ugly. But with our PC society you cannot say anything for fear of violating someones right to look like an assclown.
She is an anchorwoman on a national tv network. She can and should be held to the same standards as other anchorwomen who also appear on a nationally televised network. Reading the cue cards with news updates is the same wether it is ESPN or CBS. The only difference is content.

I'm not talking about the "people on the streets".  People are allowed to go to work dressed stylishly nowadays.  I deal with men and women who work for some of the top architectural and design firms in NYC. I also deal with some of the top corporate personnel at high end retail chains (CEO's and Senior VP's). These are people in positions of authority. They are dressed stylishly. Its not uncommon for me to deal with a woman wearing a skirt short than the one in the pic on here and heels.

I hate to tell you, but its not 19 dickety two.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Sunstroke on February 25, 2010, 05:56:46 pm
She is an anchorwoman on a national tv network. She can and should be held to the same standards as other anchorwomen who also appear on a nationally televised network.

She is a performer in the entertainment industry (see the "E" in ESPN for confirmation), and the standards you're referring to are not ingrained in the constitution, nor are they part of state or federal law. They are standards dictated by her employer, who OBVIOUSLY had no problem with her attire.

Your use of examples is hilarious.

Please see the comment a few posts above that compares an employee of an entertainment company and members of congress and tell me that isn't as hilarious as any comparison made in this thread.



Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Dave Gray on February 25, 2010, 06:29:34 pm
I don't find this to be a sexist issue.  There are many times that I've made a comment about a male's wardrobe on ESPN, most notably when one of their analysts (namely Deion or Irvin) dresses like he's going to a pimp ball.

If it's ESPN's policy not to comment on that kind of stuff, then fine.  But I don't think it's a knock on Kornheiser's character.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: gocowboys31 on February 25, 2010, 06:40:02 pm
Hannah Storm is a MILF of the first order...



Preach on brotha!!!........ I have no problem with what she's wearing. I wish that skirt was higher.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: bsmooth on February 25, 2010, 06:52:00 pm
She is a performer in the entertainment industry (see the "E" in ESPN for confirmation), and the standards you're referring to are not ingrained in the constitution, nor are they part of state or federal law. They are standards dictated by her employer, who OBVIOUSLY had no problem with her attire.

Please see the comment a few posts above that compares an employee of an entertainment company and members of congress and tell me that isn't as hilarious as any comparison made in this thread.




My comments were directed at the continual metioning of NYC as if that city is the be all and end all of all things culture in this country.
That being said. Katie was an host/anchorwoman of an entertainment show before her jump up. Just because you are on ESPN and not CNN or CBS does not mean you should dress like a garishly plaid colored eyesore.
Before this whole thing got overblown, I didnt even know here name. I knew the other female reporters that ESPN uses as I see them regularly at games and on the sidelines.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Sunstroke on February 25, 2010, 07:03:45 pm

You didn't know who Hannah Storm was before this incident?  No shit? I saw her as being arguably the most famous of the female on-air talent currently working at ESPN.

As far as the "garishly plaid colored eyesore" goes, please understand that not everyone's eyes get sore over the same things that your eyes do. As far as comparing ESPN to CNN or CBS goes, that is pretty funny. One is sports entertainment, the others are real world news.

And again...please see my comment above about who dictates her dress code, and their lack of a problem with Hannah's wardrobe choices. If Kornhole-eiser had an issue with Hannah's dress, he should have brought it up to someone at ESPN, not air it out on his show. IMO, his comments were 12 notches higher on the "unprofessional" scale than Hannah's knee-length (not mini) skirt.



Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Philly Fin Fan on February 25, 2010, 07:13:54 pm

My comments were directed at the continual metioning of NYC as if that city is the be all and end all of all things culture in this country.

I wasn't saying it as if it was the be-all end-all. I could have just as easily said Philadelphia, Boston, DC, Chicago and Atlanta, as I deal with people in those cities and I am frequently there as well.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Spider-Dan on February 25, 2010, 08:04:07 pm
Seriously? So I'm supposed to base the way people dress according to the way Congress dresses?
You need to clarify the context.

As I've already said, if Hannah Storm is out having cocktails with her friends and she's dressed like that, I couldn't care less.  It's not trashy or trampy (I think it's ugly, but whatever floats your boat).  But she's not out having cocktails; she's hosting a flagship news program for the largest sports network in the world.  The point I'm getting at is professionalism, and yes, I do think that members of Congress are a good example of appropriate professional attire.  If you have a problem with that standard, then certainly you should not object to the standard that Katie Couric or Diane Sawyer set.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Sunstroke on February 25, 2010, 11:33:52 pm
The point I'm getting at is professionalism...

The point you're getting at is your interpretation of professionalism, as it applies to the wardrobe tendencies of television personalities.

I'm just thankful that the people at ESPN who actually decide what passes for suitably professional on-air attire disagree with you, because I really don't want my Sportscenter to end up looking like C-Span or a grayscale version of Good Morning America.

Sports is entertainment...performance.. .grab the eye, the ear, the heart. Make it sizzle, make it pop, make it go. It isn't button down, it's gritty, risque and altogether human.

I say if Deion Sanders wants to wear his pimp zoot suit with 40 lbs of bling...rock and roll. If Hannah Storm wants to put her hair in pigtails and don a catholic schoolgirl outfit (give me a second here...mmmmmm), then more power to her. If her outfit bothers you, no problema...CNN is an easy remote click away.



Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Defense54 on February 26, 2010, 08:46:34 am
Preach on brotha!!!........ I have no problem with what she's wearing. I wish that skirt was higher.

I have no problem with the skin believe me, but that outfit looks like little red riding hood goes to Catholic school . The X rated version.......just the boots baby.  ;)


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: MixLovesThemPhins on March 01, 2010, 07:42:47 pm
she ugly the clothes ugly tony spoke his mind on his own radio show,,,,


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: ethurst22a on March 01, 2010, 08:42:34 pm
I don't watch ESPN. I haven't watched it in years. When it started becoming a launching stage for sports commentators who wanted to be comics, I lost interest. The only guys worth listen to was Charley Steiner and Bob Ley.

The point is that ESPN, along with the WWE and NBA, is sports ENTERTAINMENT. That means anything to catch YOUR attention. Entertainment gives titles a different meaning.

I've always thought that Storm was very attractive in business attire and that she would trump any "Johnny Come Lately" to the broadcasting game. I don't think that she needs to worry about competition with younger women. You have to also consider what look the producers want their broadcasters to have. If ESPN is trying to target males from 17 to 55, then of course, you'll see Storm in a mini skirt.

You won't see Katie Couric in a mini dress because her audience is seen as more "mature". I love Lesley Visser. She is very classy and is a pioneer in womens' sports journalism. She has the respect of a lot of athletes, male and female.

Face it guys (or gals). That's the society we live in. I happened to be on the 16th Street Mall the other day and I looked up and saw a sign of a new women and mens department store that was opening.

It was called forever21.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on March 02, 2010, 05:48:22 am
The point you're getting at is your interpretation of professionalism, as it applies to the wardrobe tendencies of television personalities.


But actually the point isn't if Storm dresses professionally or not.  The issue is whether someone should get suspended for two weeks for expressing their interpertation that it ain't professional. 

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I'm just thankful that the people at ESPN who actually decide what passes for suitably professional on-air attire disagree with you, because I really don't want my Sportscenter to end up looking like C-Span or a grayscale version of Good Morning America.


Thats cool, but the issue isn't how she dresses or ESPN's control over her wardrope. 

ESPN doesn't care if the on air personalities dress professionally or not.

But they do heavily censor what they say.  Which provides for a diversity of wardropes but bland and boring censored comments regarding the analysis.  That is why ESPN sucks. 


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Defense54 on March 02, 2010, 07:39:49 am
she ugly the clothes ugly tony spoke his mind on his own radio show,,,,

Imagine that? having an opinion on a talk show.......seems like only Howard Stern can get away with it.


Title: Re: Tony Kornheiser suspended
Post by: Sunstroke on March 02, 2010, 08:51:27 am
But they do heavily censor what they say.  Which provides for a diversity of wardropes but bland and boring censored comments regarding the analysis.  That is why ESPN sucks. 

Which is why ESPN sucks "to you," but to the majority of the sports-watching world, it is unquestionably the most successful sports media outlet the world has ever known.

Kornheiser was out of line with his comments.

Deceased horse thoroughly beaten, I unsaddle the corpse and hang the tack back up in the barn...