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We have a user on these forums that seems to have an intense distaste for the normal fan favorites: Ronnie Brown, Chad Henne, Bill Parcels, for example.

I don't think he's an outright troll, because he's been pretty consistent and a regular user of these forums for a long, long time.

So, I ask Tepop, that you explain yourself a little bit.  Which players do you like?  What realistic, positive changes would you make, outside of cutting our star players?

Broke open a bag of pop corn. This should be a good one......... ::)

I think its important to note that I'm pretty sure this is not a bashing Tepop thread, but more of an understanding what he's thinking.

I can see now that this is a thread I'd be better off ignoring, as most of Tepop's posts (read: his typed out "thoughts") about the Dolphins seem inherently bash-worthy to me.

;D

Don't get me wrong -- I think he's pretty nuts.  But there has to be a method to his madness.  I don't see how you can be a Dolphins fan, yet hate everyone on the team.  I'm interested to see where he's truly coming from.

I don't hate everyone on the team.  I dislike players who are favored by fans who just aren't as good as fans/media make them out to be.  Ronnie Brown gets blown by everyone and he doesn't do shit.  He is paid like a top 3 nfl back, but it is a stretch to include him in the top 10.  Chad Henne is made out to be a star when he hasn't shown anything yet.  He has played 1 good game (the first jets games) and several terrible games.  Everyone thinks he will be awesome because he was drafted by Bill Parcells.  The fans make more excuses for him than any other player. 

I like Ricky williams, chad pennington, jake long, jason taylor.  i don't hate everyone on the team.

In what world is Ronnie Brown paid like a top 3 NFL back?

The top 10 NFL running backs in terms of money per year (at the end of last season):

$8.6M Larry Johnson
$8.6M Steven Jackson
$8.3M Brian Westbrook
$8.0M LaDainian Tomlinson
$7.7M Clinton Portis
$7.6M Maurice Jones-Drew
$7.0M Darren McFadden
$6.9M Frank Gore
$6.4M Marion Barber
$6.3M Brandon Jacobs

Ronnie Brown earned $3.6M last year and signed a tender worth $3.9M for the 2010 season.

Ronnie Brown was the 17th-highest paid RB in the league in 2009.

Cap value wise he was 10th, just 700,000 behind 4th highest and ~500,000 ahead of 11th.

Or if you want to use your way of including the signing bonus in the year they sign, he was 3rd highest paid back in 2006.

This is a perfect example of how you perform the opposite of what you complain about. You say other fans and media overblow what these players do but you tend to overly devaluate what they do. Try to find some middle ground at least.

Devalue what.  Ronnie brown was the number 2 pick in the nfl draft and has had one 1000 yard rushing season (which isn't even impressive) in 5 seasons.

Parcells trading ginn for nothing and letting jt go to nyj are why he is an idiot.

^^^

You seem to take extreme viewpoints

Parcells isn't perfect.  Yes, he's made some dumb moves, but still, to take a team that was 1-15 and turn them into division winners the next year and have them competing for the playoffs until the last week of the season the following year (even though at least two games were stolen from them) is quite a feat.

take a team that lost how many 3 point games and had how many injuries and got them to the playoffs on the easiest schedule in history along with having tom brady go down for the year isn't that great. give me a break two games were stolen from them. it goes both ways.

so...hard...to...stay...quiet ...

if you want to comment then comment.  don't make these stupid passive aggressive omg i wanna comment but i can't posts.

^^^ Take a joke already...and maybe consider mellowing out a bit on all the bitterness you seem to have toward individual players in a game that cannot possibly have much affect on the rest of your world. Your angst levels make JoeTex look like the Dalai Lama sometimes.

It's pretty bad when I'm also thinking "dude, chill the F out".

I think that your hatred of Chad Henne is pretty ridiculous and over-the-top to this point also (and I'm a huge Michigan fan and liked Chad a lot when he was there), especially considering that he was a 2nd year player last season with hardly any snaps taken during his rookie season, but I can at least give you that maybe some people "in these parts" are a little high on him considering what he has done to this point...which isn't a tremendous amount BUT at the same time, I don't think he's looked lost out there at all besides maybe when he initially got thrown into the SD game following Penny's injury (which is honestly excusable to me) and he led us on some awesome drives last season, even in games that we didn't end up winning (i.e., Tennessee game).  On the flipside, you might look at his INT thrown to Michael Griffin at the beginning of the OT period as yet another thing to point to about how Henne blew it, and I'll agree that I was disappointed in that play, especially considering we had the ball again with a chance to win in OT, but at the same time, as much as we were down by the middle of the 3rd quarter of that game, I also have to acknowledge that Henne played a big role in even getting us to that OT period. 

Enough about Henne, though, he's actually not even why I logged in to post on this topic.  I did that to respond/"defend" another one of your favorite angst recipients--Mr. Ronnie Brown (thus why I quoted that post of yours). 

I'm not gonna pull the stats, but you're right, Ronnie has had only one 1,000 yard season out of 5--but two of those other 4 seasons he was injured either halfway through the season (one in which he almost certainly would've topped 1,000--easily--given that he was THE offense for a squad that went 1-15) or not much past halfway like last season.  So, that absolutely has to be taken into account when making the statement that you did (and frequently do) concerning Ronnie's season-long production.  Also, in those other two seasons ('05 and '08?), he was definitely in a 2-back system and a lot of times neither guy will top 1,000 (which was the case for both of these guys in those seasons and probably would've been the case last season for Ricky had Ronnie not gotten injured).  I don't feel like that is an indictment of either one of those guy's play so much as it is a good thing to have two solid-to-really-good (with flashes of greatness) backs on your squad and use both of them fairly equally. 

I expect a lot out of Ronnie also considering a) his draft position and b) his pay level, but when the guy has been able to stay *healthy* (and unfortunately that has been a problem for him, though of no fault of his own), I think that he's played very well and even been great in spots.  I think his ypc average is *evidence* alone of that, along with his receiving skills out of the backfield.  He just needs to hit the hole harder more consistently (that's what she said, right?  :D), and I think he'll be at the level that we've always expected.

Just keeping my fingers crossed he stays healthy/uninjured this season.....

Ronnie brown is not capable of handling the whole load.  Couldn't do it in college and can't do it now. 

That's what she said, BAZINGUH!

I have to step in here and ask something:

Are we really asking someone to justify their likes and dislikes of a team?  The guy doesn't like Chad Henne.  He doesn't like Ronnie Brown.

So what?

Here is the thing - he is fairly justified in his dislike of Ronnie Brown.  Based on where Miami drafted Brown versus what has been delivered by Ronnie, I'm not 100% sold that we did ourselves any favors by taking the guy.  In a world where 1,400 yard rushers seemingly come out of nowhere every year, and the needs Miami could have filled in other places with that pick, I'm not understanding why you guys are calling Tepop out so much on Brown.

I like Ronnie Brown.  When he is on the field he's a good player.  Not great.  Good.  Overall #2 pick - highest Miami's history that I can remember...shouldn't we have recevied GREAT versus good? 

Henne may or may not be a great player.  He is, at worst, average right now.  I disagree with Tepop's stance on Henne.  I also disagree with the guy being asked to justify his stance and then being (kind of) attacked over it. 

My two cents.

Yes, I'm asking him to justify his stance.  There's nothing wrong with that.  This is a message board.  That's what it's for -- posting opinions, and then having other people debate them and question them.

Tepop has some valid points, but I find that a lot of his feelings are rooting in an unhealthy vehement dislike, which feels a lot like rooting against the players on the team that he claims to love.  It's also odd that he chooses people to single out that are generally liked by fans, almost playing the role of the intentional contrarian.  While Ronnie Brown, Parcells, and Henne are certainly worthy of criticism, it feels like Tepop's stance goes beyond that criticism and into a realm of detest.

As someone who posts here every day and interests with Tepop on a regular basis, I just want to understand where he's coming from.

Maine, everyone on this board has likely been asked to justify their position on any number of topics. Now this is the only instance I remember of a thread being dedicated to it though.

I do not hope the players fail, i just point out when they do. Also, I point out stuff that gets blamed on them when it isn't their fault such as replies 11-16 in this thread  http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=15800.0

Not to nit-pick, but you might remember a guy named Jake Long who was taken at #1 overall...

Just sayin'

Ha! Post of the Month!!!    :D ;D

Sure.  My opinion is that this felt more like a witch hunt than clarification.  Dave's original post is fine.  Asking for objective measures to flatten a subjective opinion.  The posts that followed, again my opinion, weren't "fine."  I don't agree with taking a baseball bat to the guy's ribs because he has views that differ from someone else's. 

I'm a die hard Red Sox fan.  I can't stand David Ortiz, Papelbon, not a huge Ellsbury fan...three fairly large "cogs" into who the Sox are.  If someone jumped on me the way Tepop was jumped on here about my opinion, I'm not sure the answers received would have been pleasant.

When the guy answers his answers weren't good enough for some of you.  He gave you A-Z on Ronnie Brown.  Talked about his salary.  That was disputed.  He came back with solid facts about it not being the overall pay but what HIS pay represents to THIS team (cap wise), thus hindering the team in it's ability to perhaps make an addition.  I thought that breakdown was outstanding.  I never looked at Brown that way before.

I don't like the guy's opinions.  That said - if you look INSIDE the opinions he knows FAR TOO MUCH about the Dolphins to be a troll.  The guy is a fan.  Ultimately I believe the thread was putting that into question.

Trust me, Tepop and I won't be tipping pints back together any time soon.   That said, I think there is "asking" and "piling on."  Dave asked.  A bunch of others smelled blood in the water and piled on.  I didn't find it cool.   

Wow.  You really thought about this huh? Your  Reasonable conclusion proves he is a fan. Just a shitty fan. Maybe your really were a cop in the military?  ;)

^Or maybe a 300 pound guy living in Florida pretending to be a cop now while really spending my time surfing for hamster porn?  Funny thing about living on the internet, any person can "be" anything that they want.

Again, I could care less about the guy.  I don't understand the piling on.  Who doesn't know that one guy that "likes" a team yet bitches about everything that team does?  I'm quite sure Miami could go undefeated and set offensive and defensive records along the way and he would find something to hate about the team.

I've never questioned your intelligence or whether you're a fan.  In fact, I respect that you always are reasonable and don't throw insults and instead present facts in debates.

What I wonder is why you seem so negative all the time?  Even in victories, you often choose to focus on bashing Ronnie and Henne.  Granted, sometimes it's justified, but why not focus on the good things when they win?

There is a common cliche' used in behavioral psych, that some people just can't be happy unless they're unhappy. To some folks, being positive is just flat out painful. No idea whether that is the case in this instance or not...I'm a bit far removed for that sort of diagnosis, but it is definitely a possibility.

Very logical question.

What say you, Tepop?

When was the last time the dolphins really blew out an opponent. The way they have been playing the last couple years they haven't had any games where they have played really well.  The first jets game last year they played well and the patriots game the year before (although ronnie got way too much credit in that game)

This is a case where I have to think that you have motives.  Didn't Ronnie have like 200 yards and 5 TDs or something absolutely insanely crazy like that?  How can you cite that performance, only to have it be a backhanded compliment towards Brown?

Final score means zero when you win.

Z-E-R-O.

You're grasping at straws at this point.  You don't get style points in this league.

see the media would have you believe that he played that well.  by memory he barely had over 100 yards.  ricky williams had 90+ yards and wasn't mentioned in any recap shows.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=280921017  ricky williams not in the writeup.

That leads to my next question?

Why do you care whether they blow out an opponent?  Why don't you just care about whether they win or lose? 

Here's the thing though. Both played well, but Ronnie accounted for 5 TDs while Ricky didn't account for any. That is why there was no write up. Had Ricky put points on the board you would have heard about it. There is no secret agenda there.

anybody on the team could have scored those touchdowns.  11/74 15/79 7/77 18/79 85/85  those were the drives he scored tds on and his contribution in yards next to how far the team drove. with the exception of the last drive, should he be made an allstar for being the one to get goal line carries?

^^ I think so.

First of all, I reject the "except for the last drive", because it happened.

Even then, rushing for 18 yards in a drive, when you're a time splitting back isn't bad.

actually he rushed for -1 yards that drive and passed for 19. 

Fine...either way.  He still contributed a lot of total yards to his team and scored 5 TDs.

I just think that to find negatives in that performance, you have to be looking pretty hard.

For anyone other than Tepop

Conclusion:

Tepop is a Glass is half empty kind of guy. I agree with Maine on this. Allthough he dumps on the Team alot , he usually provides a reason. On some level you just need to respect that .

LMFAO!

I don't understand how you can pile on Ronnie about possibly the best game by a Dolphins' RB in a long time.  He had 5 TOUCHDOWNS!  To say "well, anyone could have scored those" is a farce, cause anyone didn't, Ronnie Brown did.  You give the ball to Ricky, maybe he doesn't score.  Maybe he gets tackled.  They gave Ronnie the ball on those plays for a reason.  They made Ronnie the centerpiece of the offense FOR A REASON.

But you discredit his great performance because why?  Because you don't like the guy? 

Man up and at least admit it when he has a great game.  Jeez.  Someone could hand you a $100 bill and you'd complain that it was wrinkled...

^^^ In all fairness I commented about this very thing.  Especially early on in the season, it seemed as if Ronnie got the glory carries while Ricky was getting the hard yards. Ronnie had a hell of a game but the truth is his statistics were skewed ... which could be the case for many people. 

I think Tepop just has a hard time getting over excited about fan favorites unless they are truley franchise people.  The fact he tries to bring people into his "reality" many times puts him on the negative and makes him seem like a hater. I'm betting if you were to meet him and talk crap about the Dolphins he would probably defend them but in here he comes off as a hater because of the crowd he is speaking to. He obviously has a hard time with homerism and attacks anything he feels resembles it. It doesn't mean he doesn't love his Dolphins.

JMHO.

^^^^
True but his level of anti homerism is just as bad as the ignorant homers and bandwagon fans.

As corroboration of that, I humbly offer up Tepop's comment made immediately after news of the possible context of Ireland's question to Dez Bryant (that it was a followup to "my dad's a pimp" and "my mom worked for my dad" responses):


Ya know, for some odd reason, a snippet of lyrics from Pink Floyd's The Wall (The Trial) keep looping in my head as I post this...

"The evidence before the court is incontrivertable,
there's no need for the jury to retire!
In all my years of judging, I have never heard before,
someone more deserving of the full penalty of law..."

;D

yes because if it actually happened that way the dolphins would have let it be known right away instead of getting bad press for a week and then letting that story slip out.  Hello common sense, are you in there?

Tepop, I don't think you ever answered my question.

Why do you care whether or not they blow out teams?  Why not care only about the victories?

when you blow somebody out you show that you're better in every aspect of the game.

rare Pic Of Tepop found from last season:

(http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/479/09000d5d81292d0agallery.jpg) (http://img67.imageshack.us/i/09000d5d81292d0agallery.jpg/)
 

^ I know that guy.

I met him and the other guy, who dresses in a big joker outfit at one of the webmaster functions.  They were really nice guys.  The one skeleton guy has little shrunken head helmets that he carries with him.  It looks pretty cool.

That ain't Tepop. Manny has nothing but love for all things Dolphins. That picture was taken at the Atlanta game, which is why he looks so bummed. I met him and Jester at that game. Dave's right. They are both really nice guys.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y127/frimp/16560_193062798192_193024753192_305.jpg)

This is their website: http://www.dolfanbandits.com

Dolfanbandits:Dolphins::Fireman Ed:Jets

Bill Belichick: Patriots - Jeffrey Dahmer: Thigh cutlet

Im still pissed the FO traded ted ginn for nothing.

They didn't trade him for nothing.  They got a 5th.  And given his production (or lack thereof) along with his first round salary the 49ers may have over paid.  They could have waited and gotten him for a lower salary and no pick when he would have been cut. 

first round salary being 1 million? Just his returning kicks was worth that.

Where's the "understanding hoodie" thread?  Near as I can figure he's a Pats fan with a Jets logo for his pic? 

It's actually a shot at the Jets, but it's hard to tell unless you blow it up really big, like...

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/rendersoft/Patriots/NJLogoFinal.jpg (http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/rendersoft/Patriots/NJLogoFinal.jpg)

Ah, thanks.  I was confused. :)

Yes, I am a Patriots fan.  I find the divisional rivalry with the Dolphins and the Bills to be entertaining and fun.  But I hate the Jets. 

Well we at least have that in common. :)

Look at our clutch QB Chad Henne!

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f236/tepop/Henneblowsagain.jpg)

I hope Pennington starts this year.

Ugh can we kill this thread already?