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AND lost body fat percentage. Thats impressive:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-notebook-0530-20100529,0,839187.story?track=rss

Saprano has been really lauding him for the time he has put in since he was knocked out of his Rookie season. Glad to see he is allright , but is Saprano just trying to build him up for a 2nd round draft pick? If not they have an interesting dilemma at QB. Henne is the starter. And you have Penny, Thigpen and White. One has to go..........Should be interesting.

I am pretty sure it isn't possible to gain more than 18 pounds of muscle in 5 months.

I am not sure how gaining weight is going to help a QB that can't throw the football.

Maybe the Dolphins are thinking of moving him to WR or RB.

READ the article. 9 pounds of Muscle. 18 pounds overall.

Hmmm, let me see here. He added 18 pounds in 5 months, only 9 of which was muscle, and at the same time decreased his body fat percentage. The following are multiple choice answers for "Where did the other 9 pounds come from?"

A)  At the age of 24, Pat suddenly grew 3 inches.
B)  Pat had the bones in his throwing arm lined with adamantium.
C)  Using a combo of Rogaine and Scotts Miracle-Gro, Pat now sports the world's most impressive afro.
D)  Penile prosthetics

it is if you use hgh. 

So you are all saying that Saprano is lying?

Where does it say that he lost body fat?

Not at all.  Just sayin' it can't be done without banned substances. 

Google is your friend:  http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/29/pat-white-adds-18-pounds-drops-body-fat/?related=1

Well either he did, or Big Tony is lying to try and pimp him for a 2-3 rd pick next year.

why should i need to google something that you started a fucking thread on and included the article.  jfc.

Ya ain't getting a 2nd or 3rd for White cause he gained 18 lbs.  Only way you get a second round pick for him is if both Henne and Pennington get injured for the season and White leads the Dolphins to an 11-5 season (see Matt Cassel).  If he sits on the bench this year you might be able to get a 6th or 7th round pick.  But most likely nothing.

He gained 18 pounds since he was drafted.  I think he gained somewhere around 9 pounds so far this off-season.  Don't have time to get the link, but go to the Dolphins site and watch the interview to hear it for yourself.

If that were to happen I'm pretty sure Miami would keep him.

We wasted many series on this guy last year. I seriously hope we don't do that again. I'm sure they wanted him to bulk up so he could run the ball but the bigger problem was he couldn't even complete a pass!!

True.  But the idea that another team is going to give you a 2nd round pick for him as it currently stands is about as likely as someone giving the Giants a second round pick for Sorgi. 

Your right. God forbid you have to lift a finger and click.  ::) Sorry to put you through that. Go take a breather.

Thats why the Trifecta might be trying to Bolster his standing.  Just saying.  But Bill Parcells is not going to dump a second round pick after his first Rookie year without one more shot or a much higher draft pick. Thigpen really came on in that short amount time though so its going to be interesting anyway you look at it.

Bostering his standing gets you a 6th or a 7th.  Right now he isn't worth a bag of bats. 

hes almost as good a pick as john beck. Hope they dont keep him just because? Thigpen much more promising.

Don't look now, but Beck actually has a chance at being the number 2 QB in Baltimore this year.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-john-beck-ravens-dolphins-2010,0,3823136.story

Unless he's undergone a large amount of hypnotherapy ("don't stare at those headlights, Bambi!"), I still don't see any chance of him becoming a regular starting QB in the NFL. What that article didn't translate properly was the thought that crossed Cameron's mind immediately after saying "John and Troy know they're competing." I am fairly certain that thought was "Dear Lord, if Flacco goes down, we are soooooo fucked."

You're being too hard on Beck.  He was given the impossible task of being the QB of a minimally talented very poorly coached team as a rookie.  Not sure even Dan Marino wouldn't have had that deer in the headlights look.  Beck will never be a great QB, but I still believe he'll be a solid QB at some point in his career and I was sad to see him go.  If I had to choose today between Beck and White, I would choose Beck.  Still don't know why we ever picked White, we already have the best wildcat trigger man in the NFL.

Not only that but by the time he got his first start the Dolphins were already 0-9.  At that point the team had given up. Along with that the best Dolphin wide reciever to start the 2007 season was at that point wearing a Charger uniform by the time Beck took the field.  He actually had a decent game week 17 after BP lit a fire in the team and guys were playing to be in the league the next year.

Beck may never be great but don't judge him based on how he did at the end of 2007.   

"The NFL" was too hard on Beck...I'm just calling it as I see it.


If I had to choose today between Pat White and an 80 year old woman with palsy, White would probably still come out on the short end of the stick. If you could tell me any of the 32 starting QBs in the NFL that you "wouldn't" take before Beck, then we've got a conversation. ;)

Jason Campbell, Matt Moore, Seneca Wallace (depending on how you look at him as a starter), Brady Quinn (kinda funny really and was a starter last year), possibly Alex Smith and maybe even Josh Freeman depending on how this year starts to shape up.

I might even throw in a few other declining players because of Beck's remaining upside (like Gerrard and the guy who left Carolina and went to the Browns (can't recall his name at the moment). 

Also, to get back on topic...

If Pat White could actually do something in the passing game I think he has a chance to be amazing.  Unfortunately with what we saw last year (not completing a pass), it is a big if for all of us fans.  But it isn't such a big if for the coaches who see him daily.

It was rediculous how quick the D-ends/OLBs were getting to him last year.  It seemed like every snap White took, Smiley or Long would whiff on a block.  Forget the four second rule to getting rid of the ball, the guy had about 2 seconds.  Give the guy a little time and he could be a totally different story.  The good news is our O-line should be better this year and I wouldn't be shocked if he looked really good in preseason.

Don't get me wrong, I am not endorsing White.  But I would prefer an honest effort before moving on.  The bad thing for White is that I have seen enough of Thigpen (in KC) to endorse him.  The good thing for White is that my endorsement means pretty much zilch.

No disrespect, Doc, but I think you are on serious hallucinogens or something...I can't see Beck being better than "any" of those QBs, including Matt Moore (who I believe to be the worst of that group). As active as my imagination is, I just can't see Beck ever turning into a legitimate starting QB in the NFL. If he does, I'll be glad to adjust my opinion in that regard, but until he does...all I hear from the Beck supporters sounds like melancholy homerism. ;)


And to get back on topic as well, I'd like to see White actually complete a pass before I think of him as an actual QB.

I love the way Hoodie ONLY defends ex Dolphins. He was all over Beck while he was here. Seriously, should you be on a Patriots board this time of the season? How fucking pathetic are you?

Well, maybe not SERIOUS hallucinogenics  ;).  But really, even if you don't agree, how far off from those guys is he really.  I also was bothered by his fumbles, but you have to look at the big picture and not let your mind be sidetracked by a few very frustrating plays.  Anyway, I know there will be no real change in your mind on this topic unless he gets a legit shot as a starter so I will let it go.

 

Actually, it would take "being successful" when given a legit shot as a starter to change my mind, rather than just getting the opportunity. The way QBs frequently get hurt in the NFL, I fully expect he'll get another chance to start...I just think don't feel he'll be successful at it.

As far as looking at the big picture goes, I really am not a "selective critic." There isn't a single minute of on-field time for John Beck during his time in Miami that I didn't watch, and in most cases, tivo'ed to watch multiple times. When I made that widely-guffawed prediction of "John Beck will never start another game for Miami" immediately after his final start for Miami, the prediction was made with the big picture in complete clarity.

I'd like to get a little larger sample size on Pat White before I summarily flush him down the porcelain waiver wire, especially where he's actually "passing" the ball, but what I've seen so far from Pat definitely hasn't been promising.

The problem that I have with Pat White doesn't stop at his passing.  I saw nothing in him last year that convinced me he can run the ball effectively either.  He had what 1 run that resulted in more than about 3 yards and how many runs that gained negative yardage?  I'd be willing to cut him a little slack if he showed me he could at least be a running threat.

I don't think they really knew how to use Pat White last year.  I would say about 90% of his runs were up the middle, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me.  I know that the next thought will be that one of his outside runs resulted in a concussion but I am not so worried about that; he will learn to take it out of bounds in that situation in the future.

I think this option thing can actually work if the O-line could just hold a block like they are supposed to.  I think he had an option play in one of the Patriots games that he was hit almost as he caught the ball on the snap and in trying to get the ball to the option player it resulted in a fumble situation.  But if you look at most of the option plays, they actually resulted in a few touchdowns and his long run that you are referring to.

Finally, he was part of several red zone plays that resulted in touchdowns.  I will grant you that Ricky and Ronnie did the ball handling, but White did seem to draw a great deal of the defenders attention on those plays.

I would love to know what audibles he was allowed to make.  It looked like he was given an option on nearly every play and he almost always checked off to a handoff up the middle or keeper up the middle.  I am curious how many of his pre-play reads (if any) were considered correct by the coaches.

Actually.  I never said anything specifically bad about Beck.

The only negitive post I ever made about Beck was part of a larger post comparing the Dolphins to the Patriots before the second match up of the 2007 season.  In it listed all the starting QB the NEP had since 2002 and all the starting QBs the Dolphins had during the same period.  Beck's name was listed as one among one of about a dozen, NE had only one name. 

BTW I am not saying Beck is any good.  I am just saying he never had a fair shot. 

I believe beck is like 30 already. Too small and soft for tuna but still a better prospect than White. The problem i have W/ both is the second rounder we spent on them. The wildcat is just a gimmick it had its time and place but for such a straight shooter like coach it just does'nt fit his m.o. I wish they would let it go i dont think we need it anymore. Henne, marshall and the rest need to get into a comfort zone i think forcing the wildcat at times hinders that. So even drafting White was ominous i guess we lost that nose tackle too the pats and we took the best available talent even though he was hell bent on staying a q.b. (who cant even throw the damn ball) ahhh!!!

And White has?  He is every much the Rookie that Beck was while he was here. Why doesn't he deserve a second chance to redeem himself? Oh thats right........He's still a dolphin isn't he? About the only chance he has of getting any Praise from you is to get cut.  My point is you have become very good at disguising making fun of the Phins as just ordinary discussion.  Hell if you just wanted to discuss Football you would be on a Patriots board wouldn't you?