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Must be more going on than we know but the Dolphins placed Will Allen on IR today.

Discuss.

shaky secondary, and a non-existent pass rush... this looks troublesome

the joke named parcells continues on. what a stupid fucking move.

Yeah...injuries are completely controllable and the sole fault and responsibility of the Executive Vice President of Football Operations.  Fire him!

or the secondary sucks and will allen was going to be back in october.

or maybe there's something going on that YOU don't know about?  Maybe he re-injured himself, or his timeline moved, and they needed the roster spot.  Maybe they feel that we already have 3 corners capable of starting and Will Allen isn't a critical piece of the puzzle.

Your two above statements are assumptions on your part.  No wonder you hate everyone.

That makes no sense.

If the secondary sucked AND Will Allen could have been back by October, he would not have been placed on IR.

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And you addressed exactly nothing, true troll style.

Let's assume, for the moment, that team doctors were actually confident that Allen would have been back by early October. IF that were the case AND the team felt their secondary sucked, they would NOT have placed Allen on IR.

Get it?

you assume parcells and co use logic.  they are garbage.  look how many retread players that they brought in that were "their players".  they trade ginn for nothing, yet have no problem bringing in some fairy linebacker that parcells drafted that was a complete bust, and some 3 string tackle that sparano coached. They fuck over jason taylor for what reason?  because they are idiots.

^^ so to get this straight - you will just make up reasons to hate everything they do?

Maybe its time you go be a Eagles fan or something because you're just going to be miserable "rooting" for the Dolphins if you hate everyone and everything.

Eagles fan would be a good fit.  Not only do they hate their own players, they even hate Santa Claus. 

Not only do Eagles fans hate Santa Claus, but they enjoy when a player on the other team sustains a career threatening and possibly life threatening injury.

PURE SPECULATION. 

Here's a radical idea....maybe they placed Will Allen on IR because they didn't want to cut him?  Maybe they actually like the CB's they have now at least enough to think that maybe Will Allen wasn't going to win the starting position even after getting healthy.  Maybe they also thought that it was going to take more than a couple weeks to get him completely healthy like Allen thinks, so he wasn't gonna be of great use this year, however they also didn't want to cut him and have him going to another team that could possibly use him, like say....oh the New England Patriots?

What do you think Hoodie?  I'm hearing that Will Allen has other plans.  He plans to demand his release once he's healthy and the Dolphins won't be able to block him from going to another team once he's cleared to play.

the dolphins don't have to release him at any point .. he's collecting a paycheck and under contract .. he can demand all he wants but as long as he's getting paid he can't force a thing .. what's he gonna do .. hold out ?

Is Will Allen good enough to warrant all this trouble for, though?  He's a mid-range player on his best day.

My understanding is if you are on IR you are done for the year.  Period.  No trade.  No release.  Just collect your paycheck.

Teams do bury healthy or almost healthy players on IR for year.  But it is not allowed, "cheating" if you will, so it requires cooperation of the player.  "Here is the deal, you ain't ready for the NFL, you got two choices: we cut you and you can go work for UPS or we will play $300,000+ and you spend a year working out at our facilities with our trainers, watching film etc. And then you get another shot at training camp next year to make the team"  "Man my ankle hurts"  "Good boy"

If Will Allen ain't hurt or has a prognosis of being healthy week 2, he has a pretty good grievance that team should have released him or saved him a roster spot, and might win a grievance.  OTOH if he would be out until week 12 that grievance would likely lose as the Dolphins are pretty justified.

I don't know, perhaps he can get the contract terminated if he's cleared to play by a doctor and then he wouldn't be getting a paycheck?

All I know is that it's being reported that Allen wants to play this year, be it for the Dolphins or someone else.

But there's the rub.  Why put him on IR then?  If he's not really starter material for you, why not cut him and save yourself his salary?  The only thing putting him on IR seemed to do was make sure that he couldn't play for anyone this year.  That's at least what Allen seems to think.

There are teams that have big problems at DB right now.  They could use Allen if he's healthy.  So the real question becomes is Allen healthy or will he be healthy in the next couple weeks like he contends?  If so, then I think Allen has a good argument, that he should be allowed to seek a new contract with someone else that's better than the one the Dolphins are giving him to sit out the year.

Because if you cut him while he's injured, you have to pay him anyway.  Then he can't hook up with another team until week 6, and can't hook back up with the Dolphins until week 10.  I agree with Dave.  Will Allen is as good as he's going to get.  Jason Allen and Sean Smith are younger and have a lot more upside.

I think I disagree with this statement.  Will Allen is a very good corner.  And I suspect him to possibly be the best corner on our roster.

(insert 4988 posts about Vontae Davis's awesomeness here)

Ok, well couldn't they have kept him on the roster until he's healthy and then cut him?  I understand that means keeping a spot open on the 53 man roster, but it's not exactly like the 53 man roster is set.  We've had more turnover than Pillsbury's bakery.  Surely they could have given one of those spots to Allen if he was going to be healthy soon.

Now It's a moot point if Allen is several weeks away from being healthy, but Allen is saying that he'll be completely healthy in a few weeks.  Perhaps that's wishful thinking, but what if it's not?  What if Allen has a doctor give him the OK to play in a couple weeks?  Is this going to give the Dolphins management another black eye?  You got to admit that some of the stuff that's happened in the last month has been rather strange even for the Dolphins.

its this simple -

- there was a guy on waivers that they wanted and had to make room for
- Will Allen is MINIMUM 8 weeks from healthy
- That 8 weeks could become 10
- There are 3 other CB's on the team that can play at an acceptable level

It makes sense.  You can't wait till later, cause you need to make room NOW, and maybe they'd prefer not to cut anyone else at the time to pick up waiver guys.

It is what it is, its unfortunate, but he's hurt, and now he's butt-hurt about it.  Get better Will, see you next season.