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Seriously.

Our return game was so anemic against the Jets.  Ginn gave us the chance of breaking one.  Cobbs just doesn't have that ability.  I saw at least one return where Cobbs was tackled, and I saw a window that Ginn would have broken through.
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And look:  That player we picked with the fifth rounder we got from SF hasn't done anything all year, literally.

So, we traded a player who could make a difference in games with his return ability for nothing.

Mark this one in the "Bad Moves" category for this ownership.

Sorry, but I'd rather have Nolan Carroll on the team as a reserve CB, who may develop into something, instead of Ginn, who would occasionally have a good return, but was not developing as a WR. Ginn has played one game this year (SF vs. Seattle), having one catch for 19 yards. He was inactive for the next two games.

LOL.  Very funny.  Please leave the guy alone, he has enough problems without you making fun of him.

You do realize that he lost the job of returning kicks for SF in week 1 right?  He returned 3 kickoffs for an avg of 18 yards and 2 punts for an average of 13 yards.  WHOA!!!!

And to top it off he's caught 1 pass for 19 yards.

Well, Dolphins4life, after the 49ers cut him, maybe he comes back as a returner.  :D

I actually agree.  I liked the danger that he brought the special teams.  I love Cobbs (he might be my favorite Dolphin), and I like that he holds on to the ball, but I don't think he gives you that spark as a returner.

^^^

Chris Shashaty agrees with me too in phins.com

and BTW averaging 13 yards a punt return is pretty good. 

Oh well, if Chris Shashaty agrees with you, they should go right out and trade San Fran a first round pick to get Ginn back. (In other words, who cares what Chris Shashaty says).

Bess is averaging 18 yards on punt returns and Cobbs is averaging 21.9 on kickoffs.

Saying you want him back is one thing.  Saying it was a "Bad Move" for the ownership is something else entirely.

^^^

From what I've seen, Ginn would have better numbers than those if he was with Miami.

The point is, he can make a difference in the return game.  Cobbs cannot. (If he does, I'll eat my words).  Why on earth did we trade away somebody for nothing who could be a valuable return man?   

Because Ginn stunk? Sure he had a couple of touchdowns on returns (and won that one game, against the Jets was it?) but he avoided contacted so much and ran out of bounds too consistently instead of actually running with the ball.

Everytime I see Marshall make a catch wearing number 19 I think to myself, "Damn I am glad we don't have Ted Ginn, there is no way he would have caught that"!

I realize you are discussing his return ability so I will follow by saying that the guy was feast or famine and rarely was there a feast.  Besides our return game has no shot with the kind of blocking we are getting, I don't care who you put out there.

Last thing...  Cobbs really looked a little faster out there since returning once we released Smith.  It almost looked like Smith taught him something or inspired him a little because he really did seem to get moving faster and picked the right seams.  A little better blocking and I could actually see Cobbs sneaking a few decent returns this year.  I was excited when they got a return specialist but the timing just wasn't right so I am ok with Cobbs for now.

Too soon to say Carroll was a wasted pick.  Ginn was the wasted pick back when he was drafted. 

Amen!

Ginn was a financial casualty, I think.  When you draft a guy that high, he's going to expect money and playing time.  That's just the way it is.  He probably needed a fresh start, and we were unable to give that to him.

I understand getting rid of Ginn.  I just think that our return game would be better if we had him.

I agree with this.  But I want Ginn as a kick returner.  I don't even want to see "WR" next to his name on the roster.  I want it to say "KR/PR"

If you look at him for what he is, and not as a #1 WR, he's worth a roster spot to give you those extra 5-10 yards of field position, per possession.

The fact that we are 2-1 and the team he was traded to has made him inactive while going 0-3 tells me all I need to know about the terrible decision our front office made. If he is that much of a commodity, why isn't he playing in San Fran, after they traded a pick to get him. Sounds like a terrible move by their front office if you ask me.

^^ all due respect, Phish, but come on.  Be real.  You're saying that Ted Ginn is the difference maker for three wins?  It couldn't be that the Niners are just not as good as a team? 

Lots of factors go into 0-3 - far more than Ted Ginn has control over.

Just because the Lions are 0-3 doesn't mean I wouldn't want to have Calvin Johnson on my team...

I don't understand the sentiment,and knowing he was deactivated because of a knee that he hurt in week one...Let's see,if he was a Dolphin that means,he wouldn't have helped us against the Vikings or the Jets..... ??? So why is this being discussed?

Can we stop crying about spilled milk,and players that aren't on the team...8 months we talk about the personal moves,we hash,and rehash, and put every move under the microscope...Now the season is on, and were trying to discuss another woulda,shoulda,coulda?

Not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is he is on a less talented team, which you apparently agree with, and he can't make the active roster there. If he can't play for them why would we, with what I consider more talent, want to save a spot for him?

OOPS, I didn't realize he was inactive due to injury. I quit paying attention to him some time ago. I thought the Niners just didn't dress him. Never mind my point.

This.  Sure Ginn would break a long one every once in a while, but when he didn't take it to the house he would get knocked off his feet easily or just run out of bounds and that would put us in a hole usually inside the 20.  Yeah Cobbs isn't going to break any for a TD, but he's better at consistently getting outside the 20 and he does have the ability to get out to mid field about as often as Ginn would get one in the endzone.

Gotcha!  Knowing now what I know you didn't know, your post makes a lot more sense now! :)

Ginn can't play. He had a couple big moments (all happen to be in 3 games vs the Jets) but the guy can't play. Can't catch the ball. As a kick returner he doesn't make quick decisions and 2 runbacks in 1 game doesn't change that.

My mind was set on Ted Ginn when he was at Ohio State and left the game after the opening kickoff to never return. The guy didnt even try to come out an be a decoy. He has no heart.

he actually was pretty hurt on that play from getting piled on in the celebration. I can't knock him for that