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Title: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: Pats2006 on September 29, 2010, 05:07:26 pm
Ok, what do you guys think is going to happen on Monday night?

This is a huge game for both Miami and NE. Wile Miami is getting better every week the Patriots are still trying to find there defense.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: MikeO on September 29, 2010, 05:09:09 pm
I see a lot of points scored. I don't think either defense is that good.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: Dave Gray on September 29, 2010, 05:50:06 pm
I'm concerned for Miami.  I think that we've not yet put it all together.  Just when you think the offense sucks and the D is good, they flip it on you.

And I fully expect to lose the field position game all day long, forcing us to drive the full length of the field.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: Pappy13 on September 29, 2010, 06:03:11 pm
I'm concerned for Miami.  I think that we've not yet put it all together.  Just when you think the offense sucks and the D is good, they flip it on you.
Get used to it cuz I think you are gonna see it for awhile.  This is a very young team and that usually means inconsistent.  The good news is that as all these young players mature, we should have a solid base of good players.  Also be encouraged by the fact that Miami is in the tough part of it's schedule.  If they are 4-4 half way through the year, that will be okay, because there's a very good chance of going like 6-2 in the last half.  I'd love to be like 5-3, but I'll take 4-4.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: Pats2006 on September 29, 2010, 07:48:13 pm
Henny can light it up if Miami let's him. He did it last year. Run or pass you guys will be in good shape against the struggling pats d. It could passable be a high scoring game. Look how many points buffalo put up against the pats. Brown could have a big game too. Should be a good Monday night game. The winner could possibly win the division. That Jets loss was a big loss for both teams.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: Tenshot13 on September 29, 2010, 09:16:46 pm
I'm worried about the Pats two new stud TE's eating up our defense.  I think MIA can put up just as many points, so it may come down to the wire.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: BigDaddyFin on September 29, 2010, 09:48:33 pm
It's going to come down to how well our defense plays against the spread offense.  Tom Brady and co are licking their chops after seeing the game Jason Allen had on film last week.

If our defense corrects its mistakes from last week, we should win the game.  If we get into a shootout, I don't like our chances.  New England just has more experience than we do.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: CF DolFan on September 30, 2010, 09:39:26 am
New England hasn't looked good two weeks in a row. It's quite possible they are not the New England of past and we know we are not the same team. We could end up doing very well in this game on both sides of the ball.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: fyo on September 30, 2010, 09:54:01 am
I have zero confidence that our offensive and defensive game plans will work.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: Doc-phin on September 30, 2010, 11:05:41 am
The Pats' offensive unit is the only unit in this game with true continuity.  There is no reason for me to believe they won't score on us a good bit.  The question is can we control the clock enough with our run game to tire out their defense, keep their offense off the field and give us a chance to win at the end.  I realize that their defensive backs are supposed to be their weakness, but I don't think we are ready to get in a shoot out with their offense and win.  However, I do think that if we keep the score close we can take advantage of this on a final drive type scenario.

Simply put... If we can't run the ball in this game I think we lose.  Anyone have a little scouting report on the Pats run D?



Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: fyo on September 30, 2010, 11:25:41 am
Anyone have a little scouting report on the Pats run D?

The run D has been atrocious the past two weeks. It looked decent against Cedric Benson in week 1, but since then they've allowed consistent yards in addition to long runs.

They are league worst in runs behind right tackle, but sadly that's a really bad match up for the Dolphins. They're 28th in the league when running the ball behind Vernon Carey (22nd in left end runs, which you can thank all the sweeps, reverses, pitches and what-not from last week for).

Fortunately, the Patriots are pretty bad at runs everywhere between the (offensive) tackles, so it should be possible to get some good yardage out of the running game.

The one thing we shouldn't do is more of that end around to the left crap. We've sucked at it and it's the lone strength of the Patriots run D.

Seriously, as long as we pound it behind Incognito and Long, we should be fine.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: Doc-phin on September 30, 2010, 11:51:22 am
Thanks FYO.

If it were me, I would strongly consider drooping eight into coverage often throughout this game.  Their O-line isn't great in the run game but they do pass protect well.

Basically I would approach this game as if we were running a Tampa 2 with extra linebacker support on the tightends or slot receivers and keeping three down linemen.  I think our front three are strong enough to delay the running back long enough for our linebackers to read the run off pass coverage and still get there in time.

You could see how faking the blitz really backfired on us in that Jets game and put our safeties and linebackers a step behind in covering the tight end.  I wouldn't even consider trying that this game.  I will also say that I love the idea of matching up Smith on their best receiving tight end.  Smith is the perfect corner for matching up on a tight end.  I realize that this is a bit of a liability against their run, but I think it is worth it in this game.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: Phishfan on September 30, 2010, 11:57:47 am

If it were me, I would strongly consider drooping eight into coverage often throughout this game.  Their O-line isn't great in the run game but they do pass protect well.


This has always been a recipe for disaster against New England. I think the way to win is to pressure Brady and hit him in the mouth,ala the new York Giants. Giving Brady time has never really been proven successful.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: Tenshot13 on September 30, 2010, 01:14:09 pm
This has always been a recipe for disaster against New England. I think the way to win is to pressure Brady and hit him in the mouth,ala the new York Giants. Giving Brady time has never really been proven successful.
Agreed.  All the games I remember the phins winning against the pats, JT was terrorizing Brady in the backfield.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: Dave Gray on September 30, 2010, 01:16:52 pm
I agree.  Don't give him time.  Our secondary isn't good enough to cover guys all the way around the field.  Send the house and make him make mistakes.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: Brian Fein on September 30, 2010, 02:43:29 pm
It depends on the pass rush.

Offense will do its thing.  The Dolphins won the first two games by being solid up front.  Putting pressure on the QB and shutting down the run game.  They lost the third game by doing exactly the opposite.

I expect Vontae on Moss all day, but Welker will be the key.  If J-Allen can cover Welker over the middle, it'll be a good day.  I look for Welker to have 10+ catches for right around 100 yards.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: Pappy13 on September 30, 2010, 02:44:35 pm
^^  You don't cover Welker, you "contain" him. :)


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: Phishfan on September 30, 2010, 05:10:59 pm
I don't expect to see Allen on Welker. Allen covers on the outside usually and Welker usually lines up in the slot. I don't see that matchup happeneing very often.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: dolfan13 on September 30, 2010, 10:37:14 pm
pats looked bad the past 2 games. jets are a much better team than them at this point. their defense isn't very good, and they can't run the football.

i think the dolphins can really roll this team over.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: MikeO on October 02, 2010, 04:50:38 pm
Fred Taylor is OUT for Monday. Won't play for NE vs the Fins


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: Brian Fein on October 03, 2010, 12:18:58 am
^^ So?  Green-Ellis has probably got the job anyway, so Fragile Freddie probably wouldn't have been a factor no matter what.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: BigDaddyFin on October 03, 2010, 12:17:03 pm
The big thing is going to be getting pressure on Brady.  When we get pressure on him, he becomes a very average player.  But if they can't get to him, we're going to be in for a long day.

I have no doubt that our offense can put up 30 points.  But if we can't get to Tom and he puts up 45 it's not going to matter.


Title: Re: Miami vs. Pats
Post by: raptorsfan29 on October 04, 2010, 02:12:58 pm
I think there are a few things to consider for this game, or at least in my opinion, the pats are 2-7 in their last 9 away games, only away wins came against the bills and Buccaneers.

The pats have allowed 82 points in their first three games, most in a three game stretch in BB tenure.