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The obvious list....
Jon Gruden
Bill Cowher
Leslie Frazier
John Fox
Mike Martz
Mike Tice

Obviously if you have a chance to grab Cowher you do it. But if that isn't an option I would make a run at Leslie Frazier.

No to all of them.  I'll take my chances with Sparano and a new OC.

Yes sir!!!! ;) ;)

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So you want a head coach who would have fired his defensive coordinator, special teams coach, and offensive coordinator all within a calender year.  Good luck trying to hire decent assistants who will work with a head coach like that.

Sparano is toast. Dead man walking.

Raheem  Morris did the same thing last year and his team is playing pretty good right now.

Actually you would have a head coach that fired Bill Parcells DC, STC and OC. 

^^ word.

And I don't think there's that much to it.  I would show that as motivation to not suck.

I still support bringing back Sparano for another season.

Based on what? Regression the last 2 seasons he has been in Miami? He started off with a bang and gets worse year after year. Suposed to get better in a rebuilding process. Or at least be above .500

Asking to be above .500 isn't asking a lot

Our last few head coahes (Saban, Cam, Sparano) didn't have NFL Head coaching expereince.

When we hire our next guy I think we should go with someone who won't be learning on the job what it takes to be an NFL head coach. That is why a Gruden, Cowher, Fox would top my list. Obviously they will be the best candidates but they have experience. Even a Brian Billick I wouldn't mind.

NOOOOO! I actually like the guy as a commentator, but as a Head Coach he made horrible decisions in regards to QB. COnsidering the revolving door Miami has had at QB, he's the last guy I'd want!

No way is Cowher coming here. Gruden is possible but really? The rest are rehashes.
Sparano overall hasn't done a bad job considering what he has to work with.
There are no game breakers on this offense. Marshall is a nice big target for the red zone but he does not stretch the field. Defenses do not fear the MIA passing game so they are forced to play with a short field.

I repeat, if Gruden comes to Miami, I will stop being a Dolphin fan until he is fired.  The guy is as big an egomaniac as they come, and if you hate Henning's hard headiness, Gruden's is 100000 times worse.

So I agree in no way that we get rid of Sparano.  Having said that, what does everyone think about promoting Mike Nolan to head coach if Sparano gets the axe?

If you didn't stop being a dolphin fan when they hired Dick Saban
(Dick)  I know it's Nick.  I think we should take a poll.  Gruden would be an outstanding choice.  Tough but fair, football knowledgable, and head coaching experience, oh and by the way will fill seats.  I am sure we could debate this all day.  Who would be your choice? Dolphins Forever out!

My last post was actually addressed to tenshot13

We need an offensive minded coach as our next head coach.

I agree it can be beneficial to have a head coach with previous head coaching experience, but that doesn't guarantee anything.  It's great if you can get a guy like Cowher that left a winning program, but all too often the guys with previous head coaching experience aren't with their former teams because they weren't getting it done.  Now that Sparano has done some on the job training perhaps he will be improved next year.  I only have two problems with Sparano, first is Henning, who will most likely be gone at years end; and secondly the benching of Henne.  The Henne benching never fully played out because Pennington was immediately injured followed by Henne's injury.  Who knows what Sparano would have done, would he have put Henne in the game in the second half?  Would he have started him against the Bears?  Who knows.

At this point I think you bring Sparano back for another year, unless Cowher wants to come to Miami.

Name one head coach that has won a SB with two different teams.  You got guys like Belichick, Shula and Dungy who didn't get it done in their first stint but did in their second.  But hiring a guy who as won a superbowl e.g. Parcells, Holmgren or Reeves hasn't worked so well. 

Well that's a bit of stretch for Shula.  He actually got his team to the Superbowl and lost before having a bit of a falling out with the owner and went to Miami where he built them into a perennial powerhouse.  Just saying. :)

No it ain't.  Shula's first stint was better than Belichick's first sint, no question.  But both men were ringless.  Both men had something to prove.  Neither were being discussed for the HOF.  Cowher has nothing to prove. 

It's often said that if Cowher goes back to coaching, he stands a better chance of tarnishing his "legacy" and status as an "elite coach".

Well I don't think you can say Shula wasn't getting it done because he lost the Superbowl to Joe Namath.  That's BS.  The fact was that the Jets were a lot better team than people gave them credit for, but Shula took the blame for the loss.  Maybe he did have something to prove but he wasn't replaced because he wasn't getting it done, he was replaced because he had a falling out with the owner who THOUGHT he wasn't getting it done.

Obviously it was the right move for the Colts cause McCafferty got it done. 

BTW 31 coaches won't get it done this year. 

As for your last line...same could be said for Belichick.  It had more to due with friction with the owner (and media and fans) than coaching. 

My point being hiring a guy with ring ain't a magic bullet, in fact it has never worked.   

You guys should study the history a bit more. Shula was replaced because he chose to leave to coach Miami and left a vacancy. The Dolphins and Joe Robbie were actually blamed for tampering because of that move and lost a draft pick. The Colts did not get rid of Don Shula.

I admit my knowdge of Shula and his move is not complete....

But you can have falling out with the owner and still lose a pick for tampering....for example Parcells to Jets. 

Part of the reason he left was because he had a falling out with the owner of the Colts.  Like I said, Shula didn't leave because he wasn't getting it done, he left because he wanted to.

My mistake. I was thinking I had seen something I hadn't.

Holmgren should have won 2 rings with 2 teams but the refs screwed him and are still appologozing to him even as early as earlier this year.

I wouldn't use the no coach has ever done blah blah blah....as a critera NOT to hire a good NFL head coach.

sparano is not the problem .. Dan Henning and his bullshit play calling needs to go

I didn't know much about Nick Satan when he was hired, except his success at LSU.  I do, however, know Gruden's history. 

What makes Gruden such a great NFL coach btw?  Yes, he won a superbowl, but it wasn't because of the offense, which is his supposed strong point as an "offensive guru".  He took Dungy's defense and won a superbowl with them.  Did you know that it wasn't until week 4 or 5 (can't remember specifically, but it was one of the two) that the offense had scored more TD's than the defense?  Ya, real offensive guru.  What happened to that team after they won the superbowl?  Made the playoffs once or twice with a team that should have won the superbowl multiple times and become a dynasty.  Instead, he get's rid of guys like John Lynch and Warren Sapp, two guys who were the best in the league at the time at their positions, and still played at a high level after they were cut.  Yeah, real smart to get rid of those guys...by the way, Bruce Allen, who was GM, was just a puppet for Gruden...Gruden had all the say on who played or who he wanted on the team...Allen just did all the contract work to get it done.  Rich McCay, now the GM for ATL, had one year with Gruden, butted heads with him on whose job was whose, and what do you know?  He was fired because the Glaizers (owners on the Bucs) had invested so much in Gruden and he wanted Rich gone.  You guys do realize McCay was in the running for NFL commish along with Goodell?  Plus, he is one of the best GMs in all of the NFL.  Real smart to get rid of him too.

He had 11 years of head coaching experience and only has a .540 winning percentage.  To compare, Cowher has .623, Belicheat has a .624, Wade Phillips has a .573, Andy Reid has a .622, Lovie Smith has a .557, Tony Sparano has a .548...there are many more, but I'll leave it at that.

Oh and for anyone who says, "guys like Sparano haven't been coaching as long as Gruden did," Gruden had the worst record out of all active coaches that had been around as long as he had.  He was the beneficiary of coaching one of the best, already established, defenses of all time, and luckily, his stagnate offense came alive for him in the playoffs.  He isn't a good coach, he can't develop a QB, and he alienates key players that he feels "doesn't fit his system"...I've lived in the Tampa Bay area my whole life, so I know more than most when it comes to this guy and trust me, I know what I'm talking about...we don't want him.

Gruden also was a big  winner in Oakland. And take away the "TUCK" play he might have another ring in Oakland as that year he had one of the better teams in the AFC.

Gruden can coach. To think otherwise is foolish

Keep an eye on Jim Harbaugh at STANFORD as well. He will be the HOT coach this offseason who will have teams fighting over him.

Keep Sparano as the head coach.  I have a short list of Offensive Coordinators I'd like to see us go after but I don't want to see any of this West Coast offense bullshit.

Mike Martz
Norv Turner
Jim Harbaugh (maybe).

1) Martz already is an O.C he can't leave Chicago for the same job in Miami. For one he can't, there are rules agaisnt that.

2) Norv was already in Miami as an O.C. it didn't end well.

3) Harbaugh isn't going to take a step down from HEAD COACH to O.C. especially when SF has already all but offered him there job. And others will make a run at him as well.

Not that I'm on the bandwagon at this point, but if (and this is a big if) Sparano is gone and the Titans part ways with Jeff Fisher what does everyone think of bringing him in?

I would LOVE to have Fisher. One of the better coaches in the NFL. Plus he runs the competition committee and gets a few gimmie calls a game....lol (Like Shula did in the old days)

Word is though he is gonna return to Houston since Kubiak is gonna be out the door there. And Fisher was the last coach of the old Houston Oilers. He has some ties with the city and all and there have been rumblings.

They should just fire their DC, Frank Bush Sr. Get someone decent in there to complement Kubiak, who's clearly an offensive-minded coach (quarterback as a player, then quarterbacks coach, then OC). Houston have NEVER made the playoffs, EVER. But, really, they've never played at a higher level than under Kubiak (which admittedly would say more if the team wasn't so new).

Where did I say he couldn't coach?  Everyone thinks he's this elite coach, and I'm saying he's average.  I know of his accomplishments in Oakland, and he still only has a. 540 win percentage.  Your arguement is very weak if after that long argument I just gave, with factual stats, all you can say was "he was good at Oakland".

He was good in Oakland.  His last 2 years he won his division twice, was in the AFC Championship game. And the other year he got screwed by the refs on the "tuck" rule. He was NEVER under .500 in his 4 years in Oakland. Then he only went to Tampa and won a Super Bowl in his 1st year. And won the NFC South 3 times in his stay there. Yet he isn't "elite"....ha ha. OK.

But in your opinion Jon Gruden isn't an elite coach....it's silly. The man won big in both stops So he had a few bad years in Tampa. Chuck Noll had a few bad years in Pitt. Shula did in Miami. Every coach goes through a rough stretch, that doens't mean they stop being "elite".

And you brought up no facts in your "argument". You sound like a disgrunted Tampa fan. Hardly facts.

1. When did this crap start?  Where does it say that you can't quit one post and leave to go to another team? There might be compensation picks involved but so what.

2. Yeah.  Under Dave Wannstedt, during whose tenure nothing went well except that we had one of our best offensive years in 2003 with a quarterback nobody liked and "no viable recieving threat."

3. San Francisco is already offering a job to Jim Harbaugh when they were supposedly so in love with Mike Singletary?

Kubiak might be a decent choice to replace Dan Henning.

As an assistant you can't leave for another team if it is a "lateral" move as a coach. And you can't trade picks for coaches anymore after the Oakland-Gruden-Tampa thing went down. If Chicago fires Martz or lets him go (gives permission), then he could come to Miami to be an O.C. But Martz can't just QUIT Chicago and take the same job with Miami. That is against NFL rules.

An example is, Denver let Nolan quit after last year and come to Miami. But if Denver didn't give the OK, Nolan couldn't just come to the Fins and take the same job he had in Denver


And Singletary is a lame duck coach. They wanted to fire him weeks about but they decided what would that accomplish having to promote an interm coach and all of that drama. Let him finish out the season then fire him. And SF was NEVER in love with Singletary, don't know where you got that info.

Do you have selective reading?  Last time I checked, winning percentage was a fact.  I like to see Tampa do well, but I'm in no way a fan of theirs.  And way to twist my words around to fit your agenda.  I know he never had a losing season with Oakland.  Even with that success, he is barely a .500 coach lifetime. 

No to Gruden.  From What i've seen, the man is obsessed with bringing in old vets for his teams.  I want to continue largely building via the draft.

To quote YOU from another topic: "Excuses, excuses, excuses..."

Yep. Excuses why he didn't win. But to say a coach can't win 2 rings with 2 different teams when numerous coaches (like Holmgren) have come so very close is a silly statement to make.