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Chad Henne

It's over.  Everybody who's supported this guy, knock it off.  He cost us this game, he's cost us so many games this year.  Get him out of there.   

An easy, easy call today. Chad Henne. Just awful.

It definately goes to Henne. Even though that DB should have gotten a pick 6 in the 4th, Henne is the reason the game was lost.

Henne was awful today.

The obvious choice today is Henne.  Against a Browns team that has problems scoring, all Henne needed to do was take care of the ball.  3 interceptions is inexcusable.   

But I'm not calling for Henne's head yet.  He has shown flashes of brilliance at times.  Maybe with a different offensive coordinator or a QB coach to work with him on his decision making, he can still be an above average NFL quarterback.

Yup.  Definitely Henne.  Henne's got 4 games to prove he's more than a backup.

HM to Mike Nolan and the D.  The defense actually did a good job stopping the run, but that's all they did.  Delhomme had all day to throw and made the Dolphins pay. 

Is it newsworthy when a Dolphins DB drops a sure INT?  It's happened so often, that it would be news if they actually caught one.  His pick should have sealed the game for the Dolphins.  Instead, Henne's pick was the decider.

So Chad gets blamed for a good play by a d lineman to deflect the pass?

henne was brutal today... he has some blame on that last int as far as just locking in to one receiver. he does nothing with his eyes to move the defense around, while throwing to someone else.

from the defense's perspective, it's been a pretty consistent theme in the opposing team's locker room that it's easy to read where henne is going with the football.

I agree Henne gets the SOTG, but I got a question...What game other than this one did he cost us? Baltimore was a team effort.

Chad Henne.  However I'm also well aware that the guy's going to play a couple of shit games every year.  Marino used to cost us a game or two every year too. 

He sure seems to get a lot of balls tipped at the line.  It's like he's not using his passing lanes.

But it doesn't matter -- it's not the last INT that caused it.  It was the two prior, that came off of sheer bad throws.  His first INT was the worst, underthrowing a wide open receiver, which probably should've been a TD.

henne has only 12 td passes along with 15 interceptions...

that is well past a terrible season, and at some point when do the excuses stop? it's not like he is improving on that number either, rather he is getting worse. it's not the coordinator, its not the receivers, its not the line blocking, its he freaking can't throw more than 1 td without throwing an interception to go along with it.

Henne.

In some sick way, I'm really pleased that he bombed. The franchise needs to figure out if a new quarterback is needed and seeing how Henne responds to a game as bad as this will be critical. Remember Sanchez' rookie year? He had 3,4 and even 5 INT games... wound up with a 12 touchdowns and 20 interceptions for the season. He's playing a lot better this year.

The ball is in Henne's hands now... If he can't respond to a game like this, the Dolphins need to move forward with someone else.

Henne AND Nolan Carrol who drops another pick 6 for the defense.  What's that like 3 for the year now and about 10 total interceptions this defense has dropped?  If Chad Henne was playing against the Miami Defense every week he'd have about 1 interception.

It's not just the INT's. The guy is like the statue of liberty in the backfield. He's been sacked 17 times this year, because he has no idea how to throw the ball away. Why do you think we sent Thigpen in for Wildcat plays in the Oakland game? If you lack mobility AND you throw the ball to the other team nearly twice per game, you're going to get blamed for losing some ball games. -EK

For the record, I think Henning deserves it more than Henne.

I agree Henne had a bad game, but Peyton Manning threw 8 INT's in 2 games, and no one wants to run him out of town.

People need patience.

Because Henne has a bad knee.  If Thigpen were the answer, he would have started.  I don't know if Henne is the answer or not, but fans need to have some patience with our young players.  A lot of fans of other teams would be happy with 6-6 right now.  Dolphins fans are spoiled and want an immediate winner or fire everyone and start over every year.

At least SOMEONE has some sense around here...

While I agree Henne is not a mobile QB, didn't they do that because he still had a bad knee or something like that?

Edit- Sorry Stl Fan, I just saw your response.

Really? Bad knee? Did you see the game yesterday? Knee looked fine when he scrambled. He had his best rushing day of the year. What about the ridiculous sacks he takes every other week when he knee is fine? It's not that we're spoiled- it's that when you have numerous bad seasons, then go 11-5, you expect to not take so many steps backwards after adding a Dansby and a Marshall in the offseason. You're telling me that you honestly think one TD for Marshall this year is not an issue that needs to be addressed from the QB standpoint? And don't give me the "He commands double teams" stuff. Only six other players have caught TD passes this year, and none have more than 4- and he's a tight end. Our most productive receiver has been Bess in terms of TDs with three. That's poor QB play. How about the pass to Fasano he overthrew at the end of the half against Baltimore? A pee wee league QB could have made that one. What about the INT in the end zone to end the Jets game?

^ perfect example of what I was talking about

For the last time: No one is saying Henne is an all pro, but give the guy a chance.  Blame for sacks goes to the o line.  Yes, he has made some really bad decisions, but we can't just throw another rookie in there every year and expect him to produce immediately. Free agency won't work because no team is going to let any qb worth a damn get away.

How so? Curious to your solution? Keep everything the same so we can stay mired in mediocrity? Since when is having higher expectations a bad thing? -EK

^ read my modified post

Having higher expectations is fine so long as they are reasonable.

Fair enough. You modified it after I posted. How many years or games do you give Henne before he should be pulled though? It makes it double tough (or triple I guess) that while we keep doing well enough to keep from getting a high draft pick, but not well enough to show real growth, the Pats and Jets just keep trucking along. I can't be the only one here thankful for Jake Long, but still wondering how we passed up on Matt Ryan after he won his, what- 13th? come from behind victory of his short career, including 6 this year alone? -EK

I give Henne at least the rest of the season, then bring in some competition to push him next preseason, if there is a next season.

My point exactly- what competition? JaMarcus? Ramsey again? The free agent market is sparse, and the current regime has shown they will not use a high draft pick (which we wouldn't have anyway, likely finishing 8-8) on a QB. So who is going to push him?

Well if that's true, then where are we going to get another QB if we get rid of Henne?  They need to draft at least one guy and look at current backup QB's.

Well I will get all sorts of flack for this but everyone says that we need to give Henne a chance. I have seen all I need to see out of Henne. I have not seen all I want to see of Thigpen though. Where was his chance ? The whole 5 quarters he got this year after being on the practice squad and a short week to practice ? Shit, the season is over and if Henne can't win the next game pretty soundly, I say give Thigpen the rest of the year.

^^ Completely agree. Stl- how do we get another QB? The same way we got Brandon Marshall. We pony up some picks or players or both and trade for one. I, for one, would like to see Thiggy get a few more snaps than he has gotten so far. Even if he completely sucked the rest of the year, we aren't going to catch Pitt, Baltimore, NY or NE for a playoff spot anyway. -EK

Henne is still the starter so obviously they have less faith in Thigpen.

"Obviously?" Not so obvious may be the fact that they do not wish to admit their failure in the face of poor drafting and decision making. -EK

Do you have faith that he is our QB of the future that will be successful ? As bad as the Bears game was, I would say that for the circumstances that Thigpen was in, that yesterdays game was worse in the fact that we actually should have won the Browns game. Did anyone really expect to win the Bears game ? Really ?

^ I said I wasn't sure.  Why does everyone want me to pick a side regarding Henne?

Because his performance and game costing INTs against a 4-7 team that our defense handled readily (Hillis with less than 60 yards rushing), dictates placing blame on him. Regarding the Bears game, I had a fleeting hope that we would just run the Wildcat the entire game and not even line up a QB, LOL! -EK

3 picks = SOTG.  Couldn't talk myself into any other player.  As for ending the Henne experiment, I'm definitely on the fence.  Just as I wasn't ready to anoint him great after last week, I'm not ready to dump him now.

I don't want you to pick a side. I think Henne is picking sides for everyone at this point. The problem I have is that everyone is saying to give Henne a chance. I say Henne has had plenty of chances. I say since the season is over, explore what we already have before the draft. Not just Thigpen, explore the whole roster. QB just seems to be the biggest problem on the team right now. If Thigpen isn't the answer then so be it. But all these people saying give Henne a chance only gave Thigpen one game before they wanted Henne back. A loss is a loss, the score really doesn't matter. The Browns loss is just as bad as the Bears loss, still a L. Do I think that Thigpen will do any better than Henne ? NO, not really. But I would rather give the guy a few games to make sure, instead of seeing the garbage that I saw yesterday, even if we get shut out in every game from here on out. We may not win another one with Henne at the helm anyhow !!!

I watched Thiggy in college. He's better than people think. The only reason he went to CCU is because he played QB in high school through his Jr. year and moved to RB so his best friend could play QB. He is good enough an athlete as a RB that most every school who offered him scholarships wanted him as a tailback, not a QB. Coastal said they would give him a shot at QB, and the rest is as it is. Yes, I realize he's 1-12 as a started, but let's be honest- no one was going to win much on that KC team. Henne's been given the chance to win all season, and he's proven he's a .500 QB on our team. What could possibly hurt us letting Thigpen finish the season out? It's not like we're battling for a playoff spot. -EK

Why are you ready to trash Henne after a couple bad throws, but still in love with Thigpen after scoring 0 points at home against the Bears on prime time?

Yes, that was a winnable game.  The Bears aren't that good.

Every QB has a bad game.  Henne would have to be perfect EVERY game for you guys to give him another chance.  Is that really fair?  The guy threw a couple of bad passes and you want his ass for it?  What does he have to do to get you back on his side?

I don't think any of you haters could answer that realistically.

Winable game? I think a game against 4-7 Cleveland is more winnable than against 8-3 Chicago. What kind of logic are you employing?? I have watched every snap Henne's taken, and I'm here to tell you- it's not just the picks or underthrown balls or missed wide open in the end zone Fasano's. It's the fact that he just stands there in the pocket unable to get out of his own way taking sacks and losing yards when he should be throwing the ball away. He's so bad that even the coaches acknowledged it after week 3, when they gave him a timer to try and help him get rid of the ball quicker. I'm not "in love" with Thigpen, but he can't be much worse than Henne, and the season's over anyway. What's the harm in giving him a shot? -EK

Thigpen IS MUCH WORSE than Henne.  Its obvious.

So your gripe is that he doesn't throw the ball away?  How bout coaching him up, instead of scrapping him and going back to the drawing board?

I'm not saying Henne is just fine as he is.  I AM saying that I want him to continue to learn, grow, and develop and perhaps next year he will improve.  He has shown tremendous improvement already this year:
- his touch passes have improved
- he no longer stares down the hot receiver
- he moves in the pocket more and even scrambled a few times yesterday
- he doesn't pat the ball before throwing it anymore

And, as you said the season's over.  So what's the harm in letting him grow and learn and prepare for next season.  You can learn mental portions of the game, but you can't learn to have a good arm.

Henne is much closer to being an NFL starter than Thigpen.

I disagree. He DOES still stare down not just his hot receivers but any of them, and he forces the ball into coverage two and three deep at times. Henne ranks 25th in passer rating. He has 12 touchdown passes and 15 interceptions. Only three quarterbacks have thrown more interceptions. Look at the mistakes he made yesterday- INT #1: Henne said he was busy looking off the safety to let the ball fly as Hartline broke free. Then he badly underthrew the pass. Hartline stopped. Haden turned. And a touchdown became an interception. INT #2: He completely missed Fasano was open and threw to a double-covered Davone Bess. If he's throwing to 6-4 Brandon Marshall, that's different. The 5-9 Bess can't outjump two players. Cleveland's Abram Elam intercepted it. SHOCKER! INT #3: On third down, his pass was tipped at the line by David Bowens. Pure luck. Oh, wait, except not! Cleveland coaches actually called this. Henne's gotten so predictable they actually said:
"He throws low and gets a lot of batted balls,'' Bowens said. "So I was ready."
This is the QB of the future? Really?
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-hyde-dolphins-browns-1206-20101205,0,5023094.column

You really think the Bears game was not winnable?

Given how we played yesterday and the fact that we only crossed midfield twice against them, NO!

Thigpen is worse than Henne based on Thigpen playing 1 game ? You may be right or you may be wrong, but we will never know in your scenario.


My gripe is that is that he sucks IMO and he has had his chance to prove himself. I just heard on QAM that only 3 QBs have thrown more interceptions than Henne. That is totally unacceptable !!!


Although he has improved in a couple areas, the major consensus that I have seen in the media, forums, and fan opinions is that he has regressed from last year. We are trying to move forward, not backwards.............

Or as you say, "since the season is over, what's the harm in" letting someone else have a chance to prove himself when the starter isn't getting the job done to anyone's satisfaction ?


Maybe or maybe not. There is no way to know that unless we explore all of our options. You can't judge a guy on one game with a short week of practice.

Why are you all so hot on Thigpen?  I don't get it.

This "let's see how he does" mentality is counter productive.  The coaches know what he can do.  If he was so great they wouldn't have rushed Henne back from injury.

And, EKnight - The Bears game was winnable BEFORE the game.  Absolutely.  Thigpen and Henning combined to make it un-winnable. 

Fans in general should open up your eyes - there's two flaws in your logic. 
1) you're focusing too heavily on the most recent game, which I already admitted Henne played poorly.
2) you're allowing "media, forums, and fan opinions" create your judgment, which is a rather incredible source.

Bottom line is that Henne is the best we have, so either you can live on the side whining and griping just so you can say "i told you so" later, or you can get on board and cheer for your favorite team and hope for the best.  The choice is yours.

I just wonder if Parcells is right about Henne,,,  that he has not advanced as far along as he should have this off-season.     Its one thing to have a cannon for an arm but if your not intelligent enough to learn defensive coverages, or learn when "not to throw the ball" maybe his problem right now.  Everyone on here calls Pennington (noodles) because of his arm strength,  but he torched Miami on a consistant basis when he was qb of the jets..  He was also the most accurate qb in the league without a cannon for an arm proving that smarts is more important that power...          Its also puzzling that other qb's in the league are doing so much better than Henne that don't have alot of experience under them.  You can't say that they are all on better teams than Henne  ie,   Drew Stanton, Sam Bradford, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman just to name a few.  

12 tds and 15 ints is not just one poor game...

so far all together this season henne has been atrocious, and just about any other starting qb in the nfl with a heartbeat is better than him at this point.

Who is hot on Thigpen ? I think you are totally missing the point.


I guess that I could say that Henne's play has been counterproductive and unsatisfactory this year, hence "let's see what the other guy can do !!!"


The only way the Bears game was winnable with Thigpen playing is if he was 2nd string all along and getting some practice time. Pennington should have been the emergency QB the whole time anyhow. I have to be right on that one since ole' spaghetti shoulder only lasted 2 plays before he imploded. A practice squad QB starting his first game on a short week of practice for a prime time game is a recipe for disaster no matter what anyone here says. 


1.) Henne has sucked most of the year, he has been our biggest problem this year !!!

2.) No sir, IMO Henne sucks. I created that judgment by watching a shitty offense that stalls more often than not. The "media, forums, and fan opinions" just confirm my suspicions.  


I guess we have to agree to disagree on this topic. Because for me the "bottom line" is that Henne has been a substandard, counterproductive, and unsatisfactory starting QB for the Dolphins this year. With the season all but over I prefer a more proactive approach in trying different things until we find what works because Henne isn't working. Hope is for people that have already given up and have nothing else left. A famous quote for you...........

He that lives upon hope will die fasting.

Benjamin Franklin
 

great post, badger.

I guess my contention, all along, is that Henne is not the problem.  Wildcat is the problem.  Playcalling is a problem.  Giving Henne 3rd and 11 on every series and getting mad that he didn't convert is a result of wasting the first 2 downs on cutesy crap.

I still think Henne has talent.  I think he still needs to grow. I'm willing to give him the time. I realize that others are not.  I think that starting over now is regressing, and buys you nothing at this point.

As I said, I guess that we will just have to disagree. I never said that Henne should be sent to the glue factory. I simply said that while we have a few games that don't matter, we should explore other options. Henne will be there until we send him away. Maybe him being in the backup roll for the last few of the year will flip the switch in his head, maybe not. I just don't think that 3-4 garbage time games is going to "develop" him much more than he already has so far.

College was a long time ago, and the QB position, above all others, is way different in the NFL.  There are plenty of great QBs in college that can't make it in the NFL.

Thigpen has been in the NFL for several years now, has had a starting gig for a brief time, and has never been impressive.  I'm not defending Henne...he's done the same, but from what I've seen of Thigpen, he's not going to win you a Super Bowl.

Has never been impressive? Well, his career numbers are more impressive than Henne's.
Thigpen in 21 games has 20 TDs, 17 INTs and has taken 33 sacks. He has also rushed for 441 yards and 4 TDs.
Henne in 28 games has 24 TDs, 29 INTs, and has taken 43 sacks. Whopping 63 yards and 1 TD rushing. And that's with a much better O line than Thigpen had in KC for most of those games. -EK

Henne isn't impressive either.  I don't think either are good enough to win you a Super Bowl.

I don't either. But having said that, the giveaway/takeaway of the above stats say a lot. Not to mention that Thigpen was in a different system in KC and this system is better than his previous. So It stands to reason that his stats should improve when his supporting cast improves ? Will that happen ? Maybe, maybe not. But you have to explore that option. If he doesn't show anything in the last few games, you then know that answer to the question. Everyone thinks that if Henne doesn't play the last few games that he will disappear into a black hole or something. He is there, when and if we need him. And if someone is going to say, "that his confidence will vanish for being benched", I would say, if that is the case we don't need him at all.......................... .........

OK after 55 passing yards vs the Jets, can we bench Henne for Thigpen yet??? -EK

Notwithstanding the thrashing the Jets defense got from NEP, the Jets are a very formidable defense.  Clearly Henne is no Tom Brady, but neither is Thiggy.  Plus it would be pretty unprecedented to bench a QB after a win, even if the QB didn't play very well.

Benching Henne would hurt the locker room and kill the momentum the Dolphins got from the win over the Jets.  Or did you already forget that the last time Henne was benched even the replacement QB called out the coaching staff and opposed the move? 

You just beat a very good (9-3) division rival.  Nobody gets benched or cut.     

If you say so. The Jets don't give up a lot statistically in terms of yardage, but they have allowed a lot of points over the past 5 games going into the Miami game. Leading your team to 10 points against a "formidable" D that has given up over 24 a game in their past 5, completling only 5 passes (one in the second half...ONE), and losing a fumble is not a ringing endorsment. In fact, it was his worst game of the year. Or did YOU forget the last game between the two? He's regressing. Badly. Going from 363 yards passing and two TDs to 55 yards and one is not a good thing. -EK

Edit- what's all the yapping about beating a division foe you keep posting? We beat Buffalo in week one too, but nobody's gonna get giddy over that!

I am not claiming it Henne had a great game.  But the time to be chanting "bench the QB/fire the coach" is not coming off of a win that keeps the playoff hopes alive going into a must win game. 

And this board was giddy after beating the Jills and Viqueens and being the only undefeated team in the AFCE.

I don't think anybody here was giddy after a week one squeak by win over a non-playoff caliber Bills team. I know I wasn't. -EK