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It's official:  Henne is not the guy.  The guy has cost us at least three games this year with his interceptions.  (NE, Cle, and Det)

We need to look elsewhere.  Maybe we can sucker a team into giving up a late round pick for him.   

I think John Kitna might be a good fit for the Dolphins.  He's a solid veteren and he's played pretty well with an awful Cowboys team.

Are there any other veterans out there who will be free agents?

As for the draft, I think we need to look at other positions for the draft.   

Can you post a link to the "official" statement from the team?  Or does "It's official" as used here simply mean "It's obvious in my mind...?"


Yeah, who needs a young talented franchise QB...let's just get an old "near-retirement" retread QB instead.


I imagine Miami will look at lots of different positions in this draft...but one of them probably should be QB.

Miami should take the best available player no matter what position he plays.  I don't think you can make an argument that there is a position on the team that DOESN'T need improvement.  If the best player available is a punter, I'd take him.

Got any young talented franchise QBs available?  I can't think of any.       

I see 3 or 4 potential young franchise QBs in this draft class...so the answer is "yes."

Better question might be...why in the world would YOU want Miami to sign Kitna? How could that signing possibly do anything for a team in obvious rebuilding mode?

You're going to chase a punter when we have one of the best ones in the game?

Let's not get silly here, guys.  We're fine at punter.  We're fine at kicker.  We don't need a FB.  We don't need a LT.  We're probably good at WR, DE/OLB, and safety.

This "let's get rid of everyone and start from scratch" attitude is absurd.

Well, I figured he could pull off something similar to what Pennington did in 2008. 

Please don't twist my words or put words in my mouth.  I said IF the punter is the best available player than take him.  If he's not then don't.  I said NOTHING about chasing a player, in fact, I said just the opposite.

I agree, but if the best available player in round 5 is a punter, I'd rather take him than CHASE a QB.

I'm not sure about this.  He's great running the ball on short yardage, but he's not exactly looked great as lead blocker for Ricky or Ronnie this year.

But we could use a RT and depth.

But it wouldn't hurt to bring in another at any of those positions either.

That's not what I was advocating.

During a slow shift at work, I decided to look back at some of the games and analyze Henne:

1) The Browns game:

           - 1 TD and three Ints at home in a must win game.

           - The first Int was his fault.  He had Hartline wide open on a sideline go route and underthrew him

           - Second Int was also his fault.  Not only was Bess well covered, but the ball was high and behind him.  Also, he had Fasano wide open for what would have been a first down.

            - Third Int you could argue was just bad luck.    

2) The Bills loss:

          - His pick was at a critical time and it was his fault.  The score was 0-0.  Patrick Cobbs was well covered, but more importantly, it was a terrible judgement by Henne.  It was third and sixteen and Cobbs had run a five yard route.  Even if he could have caught the ball, he wasn't going to get the first down.  The only thing that could have happened by making the throw other than the Dolphins punting after the play was for it to be picked.  The Bills converted that pick into a 7-0 lead that set the tone for the game.

3) The Lions game:
  
          - His Touchdown pass to Bess should have been a pick.  He forced the ball to Bess and the Lions defender should have picked it, but it deflected off his hands.
           - His pick with the game score now 27-24 was all on him.   He had Fasano wide open on a short route and horribly missed him
           - His final pick six was also his fault.  The receiver did fall, but he would not have been open anyway


So, in summary that's 5 picks that were his fault, and several that were costly in three must win games at home against three of the worst teams in the league.  This is against only 3 TD passes during that span.

I don't see how anybody can argue that he is the quarterback of the future.    

Edit:  And these picks came when the Dolphins were either ahead or tied, so it's not like he's being forced to take risks in order to lead a comeback.   

So the reciever falling down was Henne's fault? The defense capitulating in the 4th was his fault?
He is not a great qb, but there are a lot of other problems on this team than just Henne.

Nothing is every Henne's fault.

The receiver falling down wasn't Henne's fault.  But the pick was.  The receiver wasn't open even if he hadn't slipped.  Just a bad decision at a crucial time.         

Well since you are making things up you certainly can't see how we can't see it.  He wasn't throwing to Fasano but to a new tight end that didn't do what he was supposed to do. Secondly Bess and Sparano already backed up the claim that Bess's fall caused the second INT.

So you can make things up and even blame the punt coverage on him too but that doesn't make it a reality.

The guy makes mistakes but everything isn't his fault.

so I misidentified Fasano, but from what I saw in the video, the TE was wide open.   I'm confused as to how he didn't do what he was supposed to do. 

May I ask why you chose these 3 games?  Might it have been because they were all losses?  How about you analyze a few of the wins? Since you chose the last 3 games where they lost, how about you do the same for the last 3 wins, the Jets, Raiders and Titans?

Here' I'll help you out.  Henne was 62 of 102 with 5 TD's and 3 interceptions. Not exactly franchise numbers but certainly encouraging enough to think that given the right circumstances he can be a very effective QB.

That's how I can argue that he *might* be the QB of the future. 

^^^

I choose those games because they were supposed to be easy victories at home against the worst teams in the league.  And he went out and stunk the place up.   

David Lee, the QB coach needs to take some blame for Henne's failure.  Lee needs to GO.  Lee doesn't have the NFL experience to be tutoring a young QB.  While we're at it lets dump Steve Bush, the Offensive Quality Control coach, I don't know what he's been doing this year, but there has not been enough quality on offense this year.

I don't think your stats are correct. Henne was 41 for 76 for 602 yards with 4tds and 2 interception in the last 3 games vs. jets raiders and titans.  

They were at home, that's a fact.  I don't think any of the games were considered easy victories especially for Miami.

And you're forgetting that the defense gave up 21 points to Detroit on drives of 80 and 86 yards and a 53 yarder to cut the lead from 10 to 3 in the final 5 minutes.  Carpenter missed 4 FG's against Buffalo.  They were just as stinky.

I don't care if we have the opportunity to draft the next Shane Lechler or Morten Andersen.  We should pass, because we already have solid players at those positions.

Taking "the best player available" when a) you already have a top-tier player at that position and b) you have many other holes you need to fill.  Houston has lots of holes to fill too, but that doesn't mean they should pick a QB if that's "the best available player."  They already have a good QB.

I'd rather us pick for a position that we need to fill, rather than picking "the best available player" (who, at round 5, would be the ~150th best player in the draft).  If we miss out on the 150th best player (at a position we are solid at) so we can take the 175th best player (at a position we need help at), I'm fine with that.

But according to you, if "the best player available" is a one-position LT, we should pick him.  That's ridiculous.

There are ton's of college left tackles playing right tackle in the pros.  Hell there are some playing guard.  Good coaches always find a way to get the best players into the game.

You mean against a much improved Bills and Lions team? They played other very good teams hard, not exactly the push overs they used to be years ago.

How are the Bills much improved?? lol Last year they were picking 9th in the draft. This year they will picking 5th or 6th. Seems like they got worse to me! lol lol

I seriously wonder what games you people watch every week?

And the Lions hadn't won a road game in like 4 or 5 years until 2 weeks ago. They are the symbol of excellence   ::)

Those are still games that we should have and could have won, especially at home !!!

Agreed, but I also think Henne takes most of the blame for Henne's failure.  Bad decisions with the ball under pressure, poor clock management...those are things you either have inside your noodle or you don't.

After having all season to watch Henne my personal opinion is that the guy flat out doesn't have the make up to be a starting NFL QB.  He just doesn't.  There are things you can learn and things you can't.  His talents, and the areas where he can improve, don't supersede the vital aspects of his position where "you either have it or you don't."

I have ZERO idea who the answer is at QB for next season.  I just feel it shouldn't be Henne.

I do like the kid in Philly, a team that should lock up Vick.  Maybe a trade is in order.

I don't really want Kolb. When has an Eagles qb looked bad in that system?

^^Agreed.

BUT the other guys were late round guys that happened to stick around and get their shot.  Kolb has some really nice tools to work with, which seperates him from the AJ Feeleys of the world.  Well, at least on paper.  Right?

I'm at a loss for this position.  It's the most important position in the game.  It's vital that Miami find, in the least, a middle of the road guy.  I just don't know who.

If palmer gets cut, I wouldn't mind giving him a shot. Or if Denver decides to trade orton.  I don't want mcnabb, but would take him over henne, and I don't want VY at all.

Palmer is interesting.  But he's looked utterly lost at times this year.  Then again, he plays for the Bungles.

Orton would be interesting as well...but is he really a long term answer?  Career year this year.  Fluke?  Real?  I don't know if I want to pin my hopes on finding out.

I want nothing to do with McNabb...

Orton played well last year too, so 2 years in a row for him.  I think Carson Palmer would be a good 3-4 year stop gap for the team. Right now the team doesn't need a great qb, they just need somebody to not lose the game for them.  With the way the defense is, and the offense has talent too, with an average qb, this team would be 10-11 wins.

If we go with a free agent or trade, Matt FLynn.

Would have to be trade.  No reason for Greenbay to cut him. 

I didn't know his status, but he looked great vs the Pats (even though GB lost)

He did look very good.  The two minute drill needs some work, but other than that he had a great night.  He has one more year on his contract.  Will be interesting to see what GB does with him next year... extend (which I wouldn't do if I was him) or trade. 

How about we just get Joe Philbin.  Got a feeling that would be a huge upgrade right there.  Yeah, Yeah I know we can't, I'm just sayin'.

Kyle Orton might be a good fit for Miami