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*** Disclaimer: I don't know much about college football, and I know considerably less about individual NCAA players.

I may be having a knee-jerk reaction to the end of the season, but my thought is that we need to draft a new QB this year.  I think that we need to stick with our pick at #15 and take the best guy on the board.  Here are ESPN's first round QB ratings, and their overall ranking.

1. Andrew Luck*    QB    Stanford    98
20. Blaine Gabbert* QB    Missouri    93
23. Jake Locker    QB    Washington    92
29. Cam Newton*    QB    Auburn    90
31. Ryan Mallett*    QB    Arkansas    90

I don't know what their particular skill sets are and which ones would fit on our team.  But I think that we can't kick the can down the road any longer.

avoid Cam Newton. Not sure if he is an NFL QB. And we can't have Pat White 2.0

Locker has all the physical tools but seems to be missing the "it" factor.

Luck will be long gone by the time we pick.

Mallett I like.

Mallett's going to be a 49er...so keep your mitts off. ;)

Cam Newton isn't Pat White though... Maybe he's a Vince Young, but not sure I want that either.

Mallett and Gabbert...I'll take either.

Honestly ... I'm all for trading up and spending a couple of years catching up. I mean, we've got how many years vested into bad qb decisions? I for one feel its time to get at least that postion corrected and am not worried about winning in the short term.

Free Agent QBs:

Peyton Manning (IND)
Michael Vick (PHI)
Brett Favre (MIN)
Seneca Wallace (CLE)
Matt Hasselbeck (SEA)
Matt Moore (CAR)
Alex Smith (SF)
Matt Leinart (HOU)
Marc Bulger (BAL)
Todd Collins (CHI)
Caleb Hanie (CHI)
Brady Quinn (DEN)
Drew Stanton (DET)
Trent Edwards (JAC)
Luke McCown (JAC)
Brodie Croyle (KC)
Chad Pennington (MIA)
Tyler Thigpen (MIA)
Tarvaris Jackson (MIN)
Jim Sorgi (NYG)
Kellen Clemens (NYJ)
Kyle Boller (OAK)
Bruce Gradkowski (OAK)
Dennis Dixon (PIT)
Billy Volek (SD)
Troy Smith (SF)
Kerry Collins (TEN)
Rex Grossman (WAS)

Newton won the Heisman, and it's been how many years since a Heisman winning quarterback was anything but a bust (including Vince Young).

If we draft any of the other college quarterbacks still on the board they'll be 3rd rounders.

Hoodie provided the names of all free agent quarterbacks.  Peyton is going to re-sign with Indy.  Vick is probably a lock to re-sign with Philadelphia and I don't want him in Miami.  He had one good season, now he'll suck for the next 5, just like before.

The only name on that list that doesn't make me want to vomit is Billy Volek.  And he's unproven as a starter.

Luke McCown was having a good year before going on IR.  He is way different than his brother Josh and I wouldn't mind letting him compete while we draft Locker in the first or Stanzi in the third.

Gabbert has NFL tools but I don't think he is a guy you can draft and start right away.  He needs some development first.

WOW that list other than the top two is terrible

No to Mallett not going to be what everyone thinks. Too many batted passes at the line , bad int's and  no feet. Defenses will eat up a stationary immobile Qb.

^^ not to mention, was at one time Henne's back up

I'll take him in SF, though I'd prefer a trade-down from #7 to the teens if possible.

Jennifer Lopez just announced that the winner of this years American Idol will also be the Dolphins new starting QB!

Vince Young is available. 

Oh great.  All the knee jerk reaction people will be screaming for the Dolphins to sign him.

not the worst idea in the world.  He can be had cheap and you might catch lightening in a bottle.

What is  "knee jerk reaction people". Seriously we have had back to back 7-9 seasons. We can't even play .500 football. There is nothing knee jerk about wanting change.  We aren't a winning team or franchise. Something has to change!!

Thanks for the example.

I would rather be one of these logical and realistic what you call "knee jerk reaction" fans who don't accept back to back LOSING SEASONS. Than a head burried in the sand dope who eats whatever horse crap is served to him!

Look in the mirror for your example.....if you can get your head out of the sand that is!

Logical and realistic is knowing Vince Young is not a good quarterback.  Please keep up with the personal attacks, though.

Since we don't have a 2nd round pick this year, which hurts, I just can't see trading away future picks to move up and get a QB, when there really isn't a QB (other than maybe Luck, who will go first) that is a definite.  The Fins just have too many holes to fill to give up this year's draft and future drafts on a QB.  If we were to strike gold with a QB I'm not sure he would be that effective without a running game and stellar blocking.  If there is a QB available in the 3rd or 4th round okay take a shot.  I really think our QB position can be upgraded with a better QB coach and Offensive coordinator.

^^ 100% agree

We already have our qb, he is 26 YO, his name is tyler thigpen.

Honestly, if the team decided to not go QB in the draft this year, I'd take Young. Why...he has a winning record as a starter and could serve the team well until they decided to draft one. Say what you want, headcase, not very good QB, but he is a WINNER.

But draftwise...unless a miracle happened and the team traded to he top pick....No Luck....probably not even Jake Locker. So who does the team take. I'd be willing to take a chance on Cam Newton. He has done nothing but win in his only year at Auburn. I had a chance to watch him in person at the Auburn/UK game and can say that he single handely beat that team. What alot of people dont realize is that he makes reads and actually has the ability to stay in the pocket until the play breaks down. He has incredible running abilities. Big strong and fast. Cannon Arm. I'd take him. He's big and could probably take some hits. He's moderately accurate too. Idk about yall, but thats what I would do.

If Locker is there at pick 15 take him.

If he slips thru the crack which I think he will, like around the 3rd-5th round I'd take a chance on Tyrelle Pryor. Why...big...4.3/4.4 speed...pretty good arm strength, needs work on his mechanics but could make a good qb and mobile....

people need to realize that quarterbacks now need to be able to create and be able to get themselves out of certain situations, even if that means their feet. the days of the strictly pocket passers are long gone...you need a QB that will keep the defense guessing, so that cordinators cant just load up the box because the qb cant move.

I could be wrong on this but I'm pretty sure Henne has one year left on his contract..so under new coaching (that seems inevitable), draft a qb to sit this year and have 2011 be Henne's make or break year..this way you have a backup plan instead of putting everything in an untested rookie..throwing a QB into the Lions Den rarely works..management can't be rash with the QB position..and no Tyler Thigpen is not the answer..I just don't want history repeating itself..a potentially top 5 defense with ABSOLUTELY no clue at quarterback..we've already been down that route..for most of the 2000 decade..Henne/Rookie/Thigpen is better than starting completely over..Henning's conservative offense worked wonders for Pennington..but not for Henne..lets see what a coaching change will do..another reason I say this is that I'm also tired of seeing Dolphins exiles excelling elsewhere

Im wondering about this as well?

Serious, SHOULD MIAMI CONSIDER VINCE YOUNG?

IMO, no.

I never said he was good. But he could be had without giving up any draft picks probably as he will be cut. He could be had cheap. If we have the right offensive coordinator maybe he makes chicken salad out of chicken #&$(.

Since we aren't trading up to get Luck and since 4 QB's might be drafted before our pick at 15, ya gotta think of realistic options.

And don't be a crybaby about "personal attacks" when you start with them every time. If your gonna dish it out, be ready to take it!

If you think you hurt my feelings, sorry to disappoint you. I did not start the personal attacks.  If you think the knee jerk reaction remark was directed specifically towards you, that's your problem because it wasn't.  If I meant you, I would have used your name. 

I don't want Vince Young here. I am still firmly of the belief that two of most important weapons for a QB are his brain and the emotional stability to act as a leader. VY fails miserably in both categories.

Not to say that you don't need a strong arm, or accuracy on your passes, or a number of other tools, but if a QB wants to provide an overall positive influence on a team's offense, the brain and the leadership are pretty important factors.

I really hoped that was sarcasm... but apparently not.

Vince Young would be a terrible move. Let some other team in desperate need of a QB take a chance on this whack job!!!!!

CBS Pregame show. Charley Casserly said Vince Young will be cut on Feb 7th, first day players can be cut. And he also said he talked to every team that will be in the market for a starting QB (assuming Miami fits that criteria) and not one of them said they have interest in Young as a starter.

Now I don't expect a team to tell a TV guy what they plan to do. And most of those teams don't have a head coach in place right now. So I take the report with a grain of salt.

I am not as down on Young as many here are. Especially since it costs us no picks to bring him in. He could be "Michael Vick 2.0" if he gets his head screwed on straight and has the right coaching.

He is not even close, nor will ever be close to michael vick.

According to the Herald Miami IS considering Vince Young...



I'm not a Vince Young fan but I'm leaning towards looking into maybe having him as a QB...  I know he's been a head case with the Titans but, I'm blaming Jeff Fisher as much as Young!  According to all accounts Fisher never wanted Young and never really accepted him as his QB.  I can't imagine how tough it must be playing the QB position and never having your head coach believe in you....

HENNE: CMP ATT YDS COMP% YPA  TD INT SACK  RAT

2010 301 490 3301 61.4 6.74  15 19 30 75.4
Career 582 953 6246 61.1 6.55  27 33 56 75.3


THIGPEN: CMP ATT YDS COMP% YPA  TD INT SACK  RAT

2010 33 62 435 53.2 7.02  2 2 8 73.0
Career 269 496 3167 54.2 6.39  21 17 35 73.7

YOUNG: CMP ATT YDS COMP% YPA  TD INT SACK  RAT

2010 93 156 1255 59.6 8.0 10 3 13 98.6
Career 689 1990 8098 57.9 6.8 42 42 75 75.7

And Young never had a full season with someone as talented as Marshall (like Henne had) or Bowe (like Thigpen had).

Im not saying Young is the answer. But the Fins don't have to give up draft picks to get him (unlike an Orton, Kolb...etc), the Fins don't have to give the guy a lot of money, its worth rolling the dice. If it works  you hit a home run. If not, you cut him, lose nothing and move on.

I don't see the downside! We can still draft someone to groom for the future. Bringing in Young doesn't stop that by any means. It's a low risk, high reward type of move.

Peyton Manning is a free agent. We can always go sign him. lol

With no state income tax he could make more in the state of Florida than what Indy can pay him. lol lol. Gotta at least throw him an offer.  ;)

I dont mind them getting a rookie QB even later in a draft, but I think they have to go for a vetertan, experienced QB to lead this team, Pennington was great for them I wish he stayed healthly and was younger but reality is he wont be playing much longer if at all but he was a leader. So I would go for maybe Kolb or McNabb, maybe T.Jackson from vikings i dunno I think McNabb is my #1 choice and have him lead the team, and the young rookie, or if they decide to keep Henne put him as a back=up and have him learn, but obviously Henne had time to learn from Pennington and he wasn't able to do anything so why still try to turn him into a franchise qb. I wish he can be a long term QB but he's not showing it, he's a starter cuz they got noone better but he's not playing like a starter. Someone like Mcnabb with his arm strength and exp. would make this offense much more explosive. I cant believe B.Marshall was almost not existent, i mean he had 3 cons. seasons with 100+ rec with Cutler, came to Miami and got what only 2 TD's, obviously alot of it is QB's fault, whether its his reads or accuracy decision making but they didnt click. They can try Henne again but what if it won't be any better or even worse. So just a rookie wont solve the problem I think, they need a veteran leader.

I didn't get to see any of McNabb's games this yr so I'm not sure of his play but, I think he could come in for a yr - 3 yrs as a stop gap QB.  I don't think he's fell off that much since his last season in Philly.  He was let go in Philly more for age and salary than his not being able to run the offense. 

Pennington came in and did more than many thought he could... McNabb still has plenty enough arm and is mobile enough even at his age.  I think people tend to write off some players too soon!  Kurt Warner was a bag boy half a dozen teams passed on and came back to have what will be a Hall Of Fame career.  Rich Gannon turned his career around...

I'm just saying...

McNabb lives in Arizona. Arizona needs a QB. It's gonna be tough to pry him away from Zona

And Henne has never had someone as talented as Chris Johnson in the backfield either.  Johson keeps linebackers and safeties worried about making tackles instead of dropping into coverage.

I think Young is a decent QB, but he's got a HUGE ego problem.  Only when he realizes that he doesn't know everything he thinks he knows is when he plays well.  It took him being benched for a year to realize he was gonna have to play like Fisher wanted him to play.  So he does it for a year, gets a big head again, Fisher tries to reign him in again and he blows up.  You can't have that from your QB no matter how talented he is.

If you take a look around the NFL there are at least 20 teams that need a QB.  Given this is a poor draft for QB's, and the only QB's available in FA are a bunch of retreads on the downsides of their careers I think the Fins should stay with what they have.  I'd be okay with taking a late round QB pick or undrafted FA, but otherwise I think the Fins need to work on bolstering other positions (OL, DB, RB, MLB).  This team is two years away, at a minimum, from being a contender.  We could get Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees tomorrow and we still would have a tough time making the playoffs.  My goal for 2011 is for the Fins to split wins with the Jets and Pats, win 10 games, and have a shot at a wildcard spot.  That's the reality of the situation.

Regarding McNabb,Young and Kolb ,I don't want any of them!

Mcnabb had his chances couldn't get it done. He's not very accurate too many passes batted down,behind the receiver,over thrown down the field and in the dirt on 3rd down.

Young a big baby would never be the leader you need.

Kolb , too fragile I think he'll be another Trent Green one concussion after another.

Draft a rookie and let him learn. I'm tired of the retreads get a good big athletic Qb that can throw,run and read defenses or can learn to read defences.

I've been a Dolphins fan every since i can remember and this Qb situation is getting old. There aren't any veteran Qb's in the league worth wasting money on and the ones we have now are backups at best.So draft a Qb and running backs and build a winning team. Go Phins! 

Sounds great now only if it was that easy!!!

There have been many "big athletic Qb that can throw,run and read defenses or can learn to read defenses" in college... but, didn't translate to good NFL QB's

What you're saying is easy to say... But I don't see you naming anyone either?

I'm not jumping down on you just showing getting that QB isn't easy especially when you pick in the positions we usually do.  We missed on Matt Ryan but Jake Long is a great LT...  Matt Ryan can't save a team if he doesn't have a decent line..

Building an o-line is a lot easier than finding a quality QB. We missed the boat on Ryan. Huge mistake by the Fins front office

Very well could be but solid LT's are just like finding QB's...  If you have a Matt Ryan at QB and a Robert Gallery at LT you won't have your QB very long!

No they aren't. QB's are 10X harder to find than left tackles

Considering Gallery is a guard in the NFL, yeah! I would agree with that

Started out a tackle was considered a bust there!  If I remember correctly...

Hasn't played LT since his rookie year. Doesn't prove the point that LT's are hard to find though

I agree with what you're saying.It's not easy but if you keep on doing the same thing you get the same results.I know we can't get Luck but if somebody like Locker were available I'd take a shot especially in the later rounds. If you had someone like Locker in the first I'd pick him then. It doesn't have to be your stereotypical or the Qb the anylist say is the one. I never heard of Freeman for Tampa Bay before he got there.The truth is I don't know who is out there but that's what they pay the coaches and scouts for. That wildcat is played out ,if you want to do that get a Qb thats legit that can do both.Ronnie Brown is a running back!!!

If we don't go Qb I,m looking for dominant game changers on defense especially D-line , LB and safety's.I really like Fairley He's got an edge to his game. There are others out the coaches and scouts need to do a better job finding them. It seems like other teams can do it , they look at same players we do so why can't we do it too.Go Phins!

Who knows where Miami will be sitting for the 2012 draft. I doubt they'll be a top-3 pick (which is where Luck will be next year), but hey...anything is possible.

...Maybe V.Young, Maybe M.Leinart, i dunno, but i just dont think drafting a QB will solve the problem, by pick 15 the best will be gone. But there are alot of QB's that we can aquire through free agency, either way we need to improve our running game add some weapons and any QB will have a shot at being good, maybe even Henne could be the guy, maybe give him last shot at making it or getting rid of him since its his last year on his contract, but we need to upgrade RB's add a receiver, o-line....but a veteran QB wouldn't hurt if we can get one cheap. like McNabb, Kolb maybe

bad year to draft a QB. Because if the lockout goes into the summer. There might only be a 2 week or so training camp. And the QB would sit all year and not play due to not having any time to get adjusted to NFL play

You must be a Jets fan to wish these two plagues on Miami!!!!!!  ;)

Wow, AZ that is some very narrow minded thinking.  I am shocked.  Just because someone holds the opinion the Dolphins should go after Young or Leinart doesn't automatically make them a Jets fan. 








Could be a Bills or Patriots fans. 

^^^^
You are correct my friend I just assumed with all of the shit-talking coming out of the Jets coaches and players the last few days that it might have trickled down to the fanbase!!!!!!  :D

I don't know that bringing in Vince Young would be the worst thing in the world as long as he knows the job isn't his, he has to compete with whomever else Miami brings in.  It should also be a fairly short contract like 1 or 2 years.

If you did that, I wouldn't have a problem with seeing what Young offers if anything.  Competition might be good for both Young and Henne.  Young's issues have mostly been one of maturity.  Maybe getting shipped out of Tennessee and sent to Miami as a possible backup to Henne will be a bit of a wake up call to him that his days of flying off the handle will not be tolerated.  Probably not, but I don't think it would hurt to try.

And Henne certainly could use someone to push him on the field.  If it all goes bad you simply cut ties with Young.  The risk is probably worth the reward if done right.

Leinart sucks.

But Vince Young can play a bit. He was young and put himself in bad situations. Put him on a new team in a new city, with new teammates and coaches.... I'm not saying he is the 2nd coming. But he might be decent to above average!  And considering you give up NO draft picks to get him, it's worth a shot. Nothing to lose, everything to gain. And if he sucks, cut him and move on!

This is what I was trying to say when I bought up Young before in other threads as well...

I think you have to at least give it a look... Hell bring in Young and McNabb and let Henne and them battle it out.  McNabb and Young can be had fairly cheap with maybe Young sitting behind McNabb for a year or two and maturing?

Young is 27, how many more years does he need to "mature"?

You only need look at everyday life to answer that question....  Since when did someone being a certain age mean they are mature?

I think the fact that Fisher never accepted him has a lot to do with his actions... he admitted himself on occasions that he felt he was always one step be it injury or whatever from being yanked by Fisher.   Don't know if that's true or not but could mean a lot if in fact it is true.

There are QB's that people gave up on in one place that shined in another...  Steve Young was not considered a good QB until SF.  Vinny Testeverde did a little something late in his career like Kurt Warner.  I'm not saying Young is any of them but maybe he's a Bubby Brister or Chad Pennington a decent stop gap guy for a few yrs...

I just bring it up because many people harped on John Beck being 26 and being "too old" to develop.

Somebody mentioned Lienart, that's effectively what we have now, just the right handed version of him.

I don't want Vince Young.  It's shame because when the guy came out of college I thought he might be the next Warren Moon or Doug Williams.  A guy who had balls and could take over an entire game.

Turns out the dude lost his mind in that thin Tennesee air.  Probably won't do us any good now.