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Please provide some reasoning as to why you voted for who you voted for. It doesn't have to be a sound reason - you can vote for someone because you don't like their hair style. Just give us something here.

I voted for Cam Cameron.

A 1-15 record is pretty shitty by itself to begin with, but the way in which the team achieved a 1-15 mark is the reason for my vote. I like to say that it was a 0-14-1 record, because they were lucky ass bitches in Week 14 vs. Baltimore.

Of all of the head coaches, Cam Cameron was the most inept and incapable of handling the head coaching position, from dealing with players, to player / personnel moves (drafting Ted Ginn with the #9 pick and John Beck in round 2), to on-the-field decisions, to everything in between. He sucked, big time.

I voted for Don.  From the perspective of a Patriots fan he was quite problematic.  

I voted for Cam because I didn't like his hairstyle.  Wait, that's unfair his hair wasn't that bad....but his coaching was.

I voted for Nick Satan because I hate his stupid face.

Seriously I do, but that's not the only reason.  He sold us out to coach at Alabama, then he talks shit about USF for no reason at all...wasn't even playing USF that year.  He said something like the only reason we had good talent was because our GPA requirements were so low, yet Alabama's was even lower.  Did I mention that I hate his stupid face?

I voted for Wanny.  I think it's the easy way out to vote for Cameron.  He was only here one season, and if you're only going by record, you're missing the bigger picture.  Wanny was a long term detriment to this team, that started with a great defense and a playoff team and slowly dwindled them into a putrid cellar-dweller, year after year.

I voted for Cam, not because it was the easy way out but because he was a bad head coach. The guy was only here one season for a reason.

I have the other Wannstedt vote up there, for reasons similar to Dave's. It just seemed like no matter how obviously awful Wanny was as a coach, Miami just kept bringing him back.

Before reading the comments I saw that someone had voted for Don and I was thinking who the fuck voted for Shula, they are off their rocker. I should have known it was you and the reason stated explains everything!!!!!  ;D


I almost voted for the Stache' but I had to swing in favor of Cameron because he really was a terrible head coach any way you look at it. Yeah they went 1-15 but he was in way over his head and it showed.

Yeah.  If someone seriously thinks Don is the worst Dolphin HC they are off their rocker.  Not only was he the best coach the Dolphins had he is one of the all time best coaches league wide.  I don't even know why he is in the list of options. 

Wannstedt takes way more shit than he deserves.

Wanny for costing some of most talented teams the opportunities to win Super Bowls.       

cam cameron... not even close

wanny was bad at personnel way more than he was a bad coach. folks easily forget the fact that stache's first 4 years were 11-5, 11-5, 9-7, 10-6 before the collapse. he sucked at evaluating talent, and was an average head coach.

if this was worst gm in dolphins history, wanny/spielmen gets it hands down.

Another vote for Wannstedt.    

I see a clear difference between Dave and Cam.  Dave took a playoff team and over a number of years, ran it into the ground.  During his tenure, the team drafted poorly, let good talent leave and failed to develop the players that were on the roster.  He ran off good coaches like Mike Westhoff and replaced them with his cronies.  When Wannstedt was finally run out of town, Miami arguably had the least talented roster in the NFL.  

Cam took over a team that had overachieved under Saban, but was underpowered and demoralized.  He lost his starting qb and rb at the beginning of the season.  Cam failed to turn the team around, but he didn't start with much to begin with.  Cam was a bust to be sure, but I blame the guy that destroyed the team to begin with.

I couldn't disagree more.  Wannstedt destroyed both the Bears and the Dolphins.  He is the worst thing that ever happened to Miami.  I can forgive JJ for giving up on Miami, but I can never forgive him for pushing Wanny into the head coaching position.

wanny was terrible on the personnel side of things. he actually won a good amount as a head coach...

I feel he won with talent he inherited.  He lost games when Miami was the better team.   I found him frustrating to watch.  The game plans were so simple, that other teams were laughing about it after the games, saying they knew just what we were going to do.  He never made adjustments at half time.  I think it was against the Jets where Miami was soundly beaten in the first game, only to execute the same game plan when they met again.  The opposing team was in disbelief and openly mocked Dave.  IMHO, Dave was a joke as a head coach.......a very, very bad joke.

I'm glad that no-one has voted for Jimmy Johnson yet.

Talk about a coach who gets more shit than he deserves, JJ rebuilt the Dolphins after they started to fade following the 1993 AFC title game. JJ drafted excellently (Thomas, Taylor, Madison, Surtain) and got Trace Armstrong and Brock Marion on the roster. That defense was really phenomenal and Super Bowl caliber during the late 90's.

I really think that, if Dan Marino was a younger Dan Marino (early - mid 80's Marino) and not "established" (yet a superstar), that JJ would have been able do more with the offense and take the Dolphins further and deeper into the post-season than he did. Dan Marino - for better or for worse - held JJ back. We should have seen the Dolphins square off against the Broncos for the AFC title 3 years in a row, but we didn't.

JJ re-built the Dolphins into a serious contender - yet he is very much hated in this area. Wanny is the guy you should hate for ruining everything.

I voted for Wanny for the reasons already listed. I also think that anyone who would have coached the year that Cameron did would have failed. Do I think he made some bad descisions in Ginn and so on? Absolutely but Ginn did more for us than numerous 1st round picks of the last 15 years.  I also don't think Beck was given a fair shot and thus, may be scarred for life!!

When all was said and done we were a play or two from winning many games which is also one of the reasons for the quick turnaround. I think we were right in getting rid of Cameron but in the overall terms of this franchise he certainly wasn't the worst thing for us.

wannstedt took a 9 win team that lost a quarterback and won 11 games the next two seasons.  he ruined chicago? Give me a break. I guess belichik ruined cleveland too

With the talent we had.... We should have been SB contenders in both 2002, 2003.  His drafting and coaching held them back.       

That sounds strangely familiar for some reason and the guy I'm referring to doesn't have any votes.

I think the verdict is out on Sparano. He still has time to rebound so you can't really evaluate his total gift to the franchise.

i just don't see how you win 11 games, 11 games, 10 games, etc... in the nfl on just talent alone. just ask wade phillips on that one. especially with a mediocre qb at best.

from a pure coaching perspective, his teams were the definition of vanilla, but they won games. now on the personnel side of things, he literally ran the team into the ground.

wanny's downfall was eddie moore, jamar fletcher, not needing hasselbeck because he had fiedler, nightmare personnel decision after nightmare personnel decision.

he gets a bad rep as a coach because it was the first regime post-marino. obviously the offense was not going to be anywhere near as good, and the fans just weren't used to it.

as a coach he wasn't as bad as rich kottite, or marty mornhinweg, or cam cameron...

^^^^

By having a ton of pro bowlers on defense, by having solid offensive players.

Those teams should have been SB contenders, but his personnel moves and game management cost them.       

I understand and get that Wanny ruined both the Bears and the Dolphins, I'm definitely a believer of that.

However - It took three good seasons to run these teams into the ground. During the seasons in which he was running the franchises into the ground, he still did manage to win a division title and make the playoffs (and beat the Colts at home in OT - I was at that game). So there was at least some tangible thing that you can take away from that, despite his very poor long-term planning.

Cam Cameron did absolutely nothing. I don't believe that Wanny would have gone 1-15 with the same team that Cam Cameron went 1-15 with.

For all of that, Cam Cameron gets my vote.

Wanny had three good seasons with the Dolphins because of the talent Jimmy Johnson left behind.  Same reason why he had a couple good seasons early on with the Bears because of the talent Mike Ditka left behind.  Wanny would've easily gone 0-16 with the 2007 Dolphins

Yea he left him Lamar smith and no qb.  Jimmy Johnson was 8 games over .500 in 4 seasons with the dolphins, Wannstedt was 18 games over .500 his first 4 seasons.

In Chicago, Mike Ditka was 5-11 his last season.  The next year wannstedt was 7-9, then 9-7 the following season.  He isn't a bad coach.

Cam Cameron gets a pass from me because of the injuries the team suffered during his tenure.  He was putting 2nd and 3rd string talent on the field every Sunday, and still the Dolphins lost 8 games by 3 points or less.

Wannstedt was the worst, IMO, not because he's a shitty coach (note - present tense), but because his drafting and inability to evaluate talent is the reason why we're so shitty to this day.  Eddie Moore, Jamar Fletcher, Wade Smith.  Wow.  What a bunch of years of wasted picks.  Those picks could have been Drew Brees, Anquan Boldin, etc.  Imagine the difference...

I actually agree with Tepop. Wanny isn't a bad coach. He isn't going to ever be a Tony Dungy or a Bill Belichick or some world-beater, and he's not going to build a dynasty with your franchise, but he (and I put Jim Mora Sr. in this category also) has the ability to coach players up and make them go out there and perform for him to some extent. Cam Cameron failed miserably to do even that - and again, this is going way beyond the 1-15 record that he posted. The players on the 53-man roster simply did not go out there and break their necks for Cameron. Players in large part did do that for Wanny.

So Wanny destroyed your long-term prospects, but did have a few tangible accomplishments during his tenure. Cam Cameron not only destroyed your long-term prospects, he destroyed your short-term prospects as well (And Brian, due to the rash of injuries that occurred that same year, I am not willing to give a pass on Cameron, as I think the personnel and training methods he employed during that season contributed to the team's health demise).

And, don't let the parting shots that players took on Wanny as Wanny was shown the door be the judge of how they felt. Lots of coaches get parting shots on the way out by players.

Eddie moore was the 49th pick of the draft, wade smith was the 78th pick of the draft.  He drafted donald lee and yeremiah bell that season too with the 156 and 213 pick.

^^ so its OK to throw away your 2nd and 3rd rounders as long as you find a gem in the 6th?

Sorry, don't agree with that.  Especially when you don't have 1st rounders and there's other obvious talent on the board.

Lets look at nick sabans drafts.  number 2 overall pick and he gets a dancing queen running back who has had 1 1000 yard season out of 6. jason allen, derek hagan, channing crowder who sucks, and matt roth who never contributed to the dolphins.

other obvious talent?  I think you might be confused on how the draft works.

You must be right.  I'm confused because I don't agree with you.

Shocking. ::)

I voted Jimmy Johnson,He brought Wanny in, knew Marino was at the end of his career (didn't really address it,in hindsight)...I quit,no I don't,I quit...Even though He brought us Zach,Jason Taylor,Sam Madison, and Patrick Surtain. He still left us a lot of crap too...I think he changed the mentality of the fans too...Wannstedt personified and Exploited the one player mentality into the ground IMO...

^ Give me a break. Seriously, you're going to blame Wanny for "forcing" Ricky to quit and leave in 2004?

How about not smoking dope and not testing positive for an NFL drug-test for the nth time? Maybe that had something to do with it.

(shakes my head from side to side,at the ignorance of Joe's post)

Hello,Mcfly...Mcfly.....Jimmy Quit after the 98 season,Wayne ran after him,they hired Wannstedt to be assistant head coach to help Jimmy...He came back anc half assed his way through the 1999 season...I didn't say didly about Ricky ...did I joe? I'm talking about Jimmy Johnson....

I will.  Wanny's philosophy was run Ricky left, run Ricky right, run Ricky up the middle, then punt.  He was coaching like he had the 2000 Ravens defense and Emmit Smith, Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin when he clearly didn't.

If I had to carry the ball 750 times in two seasons and my body was all beat up because my coach was overworking me, I'd be smoking weed as well.  It's a great painkiller.

Wannstedt blundered his way to that inflated record he has because of the team he inherited.  He set us back this entire decade.  Worst coach in Dolphins history. 

Wanny

Wanny no question, Lets face facts we are still rebuilding because of Wanny,

Cam Cameron. 

Reasons:

Lack of longevity (1 Season)

W-L record 1-15.  That's tough to do even with a bad football team.

Otherwise it has to go to George Wilson.  4 years and nothing to show for it, Shula shows up in 1970 and never looks back.

Agree with this!

If I wasn't so biased about Saban (hating him because of other reasons not attributed to MIA), I'd vote for Cam.  Drafting Ginn and going 1-15 is almost as bad as you can get.

I have to wonder how different things would be if Jim Bates became the hc in 2005 instead of Nick Saban.

Cam Cameron:  Ted Ginn, 1-15

^ That's exactly why I didn't choose Cameron.  The list is 2 things long.

Wanny's list fills a page.

Cameron was gone before he could really cause any serious damage.

Wannstedt by far.  His draft picks and gutless, vanilla offense wasted a very talented defense.  He couldn't evaluate talent at any level.  He didn't even think Joe Flacco should start in college.  And, he traded a First Round pick for Rick Mirer!!!  These alone should demonstrate he had no clue. 

There was a simple, but telling article on his performance several years ago.  His first year, the team made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs.  His second year, they made it to the 1st round.  His third year, they were eliminated after the last game of the season.  His fourth year, they were eliminated with one week left in the season.  His fifth and last year, they started 1-7 and were eliminated in all but the mathematical sense with 8 games left in the season.  Can you imagine how bad it would have been if he hadn't started with a talented team or if had stuck around any longer?

Here's the rub, the poll isn't for who damaged the team the worst. The poll is for who was the worst coach. Those are two different things in my mind.