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On fb today, the question was put as to whether Henne will make it or break it this upcoming season.  The overwhelming response was basically "Henne sucks.  Get rid of him."  Very few offered suggestions of who the Dolphins would get in his place and most of them were to draft someone else. 

Is this what we have come to?  If a quarterback does not produce right away, we throw him on the scrap heap and draft someone else?  Are we that spoiled?  IMO, none of the QB in this draft class are ready to step in and be a starter.  I understand the frustration, but the total lack of patience makes me embarrassed to be a Dolfan.

^^^Me too.  We have become a disposable society.

I understand the post, but when you see a modern day QB blow up at the end of games and be useless time and time again in the 2 minute drill it is time to start making some assumptions.

If Henne was really as controlled and limited by his coaches as the reports portrayed then perhaps there is something to salvage.  Only the coaches know what Henne was being told and taught to do.  If he managed to suck that bad all on his own then the fans are right!

Let him stay and compete but if he isn't showing competency in situational drills and two minute work by the end of training camp I don't want to see him on Sunday.

We all know what alternatives are out there, I don't think fans need to pick the one they want.  Some might prefer a Kolb or a Young but the coaches know what system we are going to run and who fits it best.  I would say be happy the fans aren't shouting one name.

I've been pretty optimistic on Henne to this point, but I have to agree that he needs to show he should be out there on the field. If the coaches think he gives Miami the best chance to win when the season starts, OK...but I'm starting to lose faith.

It's not just Henne, it's any player/coach/team, etc.  A player has a bad game and fans are screaming to bench him and put in the second stringer.  A team has a bad year and the fans are screaming to fire all the coaches and front office.  People have no patience.  Yes, I understand there are times when people need to be replaced, but some fans just have a knee jerk reaction to fire the guy without thinking things out.

I recognize the knee jerk quality to the comments that are being made, but in reality there is evidence to suggest that, with the exception of Mike Nolan as DC, this staff is not going to get us to the Super Bowl.

In short, they have shown the tendency to be very conservative.  Conservative hasn't been doing well in the post season for quite some time.  Even the Wildcat was conservative in many regards and it is the only piece of evidence that our staff has the nuggets to get us beyond the regular season.

Great players and great team chemistry are the primary sources of success in this league, there is evidence on the table that suggests our coaches are willing to hand cuff our players and eliminate our chances in the name of rehashing a philosophy that hasn't worked in many years.  Therefore, I can't say that the comments are knee jerk.

On the other hand, while many people see it as lip service, the comments made by Ross at the conclusion of the season carry weight and the hope of change.  Daboll makes us wonder exactly how serious our staffs assurances are of a shift in offensive mindset.  Based on Ross' comments, I feel very certain that another season of oversimplified play calling and efforts to keep the game close in order to give a chance to win in the end will result in some serious firing next offseason. 

^^^ BINGO!! You nailed it!! Actions speak louder than words. Miami's actions have been laughable this offseason.

And the Fins are trying to build a 1980's team to win in a 2000's league. The days of running the ball and controling clock are dead and gone!! You must be able to have speed at WR, have a big threat at TE, and throw the ball down the field!! Get the HUGE plays in the passing game. Get the big 30-40 yard pass interference calls. Attack...attack....attack! The Rules are Set Up for that. And we aren't taking advantage of it. 3/4 of the league is playing by one set of rules. ANd Miami is in the 1/4 playing an outdated game and by a different set of rules almost.

Instead we are running the wildcat and trying to grind out wins. We don't draft players at positions that WIN in this league. We need speed at WR. We have size at WR and no speed. We need an athletic TE. We have a 1980's Mark Bavaro clone at TE.

We are trying to put square pegs in the triangle hole. IT DOESN'T WORK!!!  Look around the league, who are the big-time teams.....Saints, Colts, Packers, SD, Pitt, Chicago...(to name a few) aside from having great QB's (which is a whole other debate)....they have big play threats on offense. Miami has Big, slow, guys trying to beat up and grind out wins. This isn't the 1980's!!!!! Sparano/Ireland are living in the past. And their ACTIONS don't suggest anything is changing!

In reality, there's evidence to suggest that COACHING CONSISTENCY plays a big part in fielding a competitive team. Look at the top teams this past decade: off the top of my head, my top five is New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Philadelphia, and Indianapolis -- although (most certainly) not in that order. Baltimore could arguably be considered up there as well.

None of these teams have switched head coaches, playing style, and coaching philosophies at the drop of a hat like the Dolphins. And it's not because these guys have always been successful...

Players as well as coaches can (and often do) improve over time. We need to build a solid base and not tear everything down when success isn't instant.

Our current coaching staff certainly hasn't been brilliant, but Sparano is still a young head coach and should be given time to develop. If we need to find a replacement at some point (let's say he totally flops this coming season), I hope we'll take the "evolutionary" path, not the "revolutionary" one.

Coaching consistency is good. IF you have a good head coach.

If your head coach is a fool or poor, then that is consistency you don't want. You don't keep a bad head coach around just so you can say you have "coaching consistency"

True, but I strongly doubt the ability of random forum posters to judge the potential of a coach.

I'm hopeful that Sparano will learn from his mistakes. A new OC can only help. A good coach is one that surrounds himself with good coaches that fit his style. Given the number of coaches that were basically foisted on Sparano, I'm hopeful he'll do better when given the chance to make his own picks (not that those picks SOUND amazing thus far).

Agreed.  You left one team out.  While they have changed coaches relatively recently.....

Pittsburgh:

Superbowl Championships: 6 (most of any team)
Number of Head coaches during the super bowl era: 4 (least of any team that has been in existence during the entire time)

Coincidence?  I think not!


 

In the more macro view, society as a whole has become addicted to instant gratification.  So I guess it is only inevitable that the same problem filters down to sports.

It's a tough pill to swallow (to hear support for Henne) when a guy like Sam Bradford can go out there, in his rookie year, after losing 58 Wide Receivers and still be pretty damn good for a rookie QB.

Or a guy like Josh Freeman that hardly anyone talks about, who can go out there and be pretty good from time to time.

How many more years / attempts does Henne get before it's pretty apparent that he does suck and does need to be demoted?

You missed it ;). Pittsburgh was second on my list... right after New England.

I think it has a lot to do with the city/media/expectations.

I've seen numerous articles (I think there was a thread here saying the same thing) where they compare Henne's numbers to Sanchez's. Sanchez is nicknamed "The Sanchise" (a play on franchise) and is lauded as the savior of that organization. Henne is considered another in a long line of bust's since Marino retired, and people are already looking for the next QB.

I was going to start a thread about the one article from the Palm Beach Post a few months back (right after the season).  But I knew that about 90% of this board has already made up their minds on Henne after he didn't win the Superbowl his rookie season, so I figured, why bother.

But guess what? In all of those articles they point out that both QB's have almost the exact same stats (in fact, Henne has slightly better numbers).

^^^^^

Well, Mark might be the best QB the Jets have had since guy they drafted in '83, Ken O'Brien.  Chad might be the best QB the Dolphins have had since the guy they drafted in '83 as well. 

But the expectation that were set by of what is a decent QB is quite different. 

^^^I don't think Sanchez nor Henne is a better QB than Pennington when he was healthy for either team.

I agree it's not a coincidence, but suggest that the reason they've had the fewest head coaching changes is BECAUSE they've had the most success, not vice versa.  You don't change coaches when you are winning Championships.

Absolutely!  And while there are exceptions to this rule, I figured Hoodie would have been smart enought to see this before posting.

Success leads to consistency just as much (if not more) as consistency leads to success.

When you have to put the words "when he was healthy" behind it, it makes the whole statement meaningless because he's NOT healthy.

The problem I have with the fans wanting to get rid of Henne is just what the OP mentioned, that no one seems to be able to come up with the answer to who do you replace him with? I'm sure that Sparano/Ireland would go after someone if they were fairly confident it would be an upgrade over Henne. MikeO seems to think just about anyone would be. I completely disagree with him. There's very little evidence to suggest that anyone who is available would be an upgrade. They *might* be, but they might not.

And it's entirely possible that Henne *might* be better next year too. Josh Freeman has been mentioned because he had a good year, but look at his numbers from the year prior to that. Horrible. Worse than Henne's. So it IS possible for players to get much better in 1 year. It happens all the time. Sometime a light just goes on for one reason or another.  It's hard to predict when that happens.

I'm not enamored with Henne, but I think he's done a better job than most give him credit for.  He has a strong arm.  He has a high completion percentage.  His biggest negative is the INT's.  If he could just quit throwing INT's, I would have no problem with him and I really don't think that's that tough a problem to solve.  I don't know they can solve it, but it doesn't seem impossible to solve either.  That's why I still have hope in Henne.

At the same time I think it's wise to always be grooming a young QB.  Pick another one in the draft and maybe even use your top pick on one.  If it doesn't work out, fine, but at least give it a chance.  Picking a QB is not an exact science, you just have to keep picking one till it works.

Cowher went 12 years before he won a superbowl.  Will Spano be given 12 years?   

Sparano hasn't won a playoff game.  There's a big difference between not winning Super Bowls and going 7-9.

It isn't meaningless by any means. You either have no idea what I was responding to or just didn't comprehend. Hoodie said Sanchez and Henne could both be the best QBs for their respective teams since they each drafted QBs in '83. I said neither was better than Pennington when he had been healthy. How is that meaningless?

Sorry, my bad.  I didn't see the "^^".  I thought you were suggesting that Pennington would be a better option for Miami than Henne going forward, not comparing Henne to what Pennington had done previously.  Pennington is not the player he was a couple years ago.  He's had 2 major shoulder surgeries since then.  That's all that I was trying to point out.

Gotcha. I agree. I love what Chad did a few years back. He isn't going to do that again.

It's not like these guys all had instant success as head coaches... And Cowher did have a 7-9, 6-10, 9-7 stint... And how many were calling for Belichick's head after going 5-11 in his first season?

Compare Sparano's history with the Dolphins so far with Dungy's start in Tampa... He started out 6-10, 10-6, and 8-8... If the Bucs had had ANY kind of history, fans would've been clamoring to get Dungy fired after regressing that third year. Coaches need time, teams need time. Consistency IS important.

No one is saying that keeping a BAD coach around is a good thing. Clearly, if you have a bad coach, get rid of him, but as these past many years here have clearly illustrated, the majority of fans aren't willing to give things a chance to shake out; to find out if the coach we have is actually good or not.

Alright, lets come back down to earth a minute please.  Here's Cowher's record in Pittsburgh.

'92 11-5
'93 9-7
'94 12-4 and a playoff win
'95 11-5 and 2 playoff wins
'96 10-6 and a playoff win
'97 11-5 and a playoff win
'98 7-9
'99 6-10
'00 9-7
'01 13-3 and a playoff win
'02 10-5 and a playoff win
'03 6-10
'04 15-1 and a playoff win
'05 11-5 and a superbowl win
'06 8-8

Actually as you can see he DID have instant success in the NFL.  He went 11-5 in his first year.  He actually had winning seasons in his first 6 years in the league and won 5 playoff games during that time.  So when exactly was Pittsburgh suppose to get rid of him during this time? 

When he did struggle for a few years, the owners stood by him, not because he was young and needed a chance to prove himself but because he had ALREADY proven that he was a winner.

It's a joke to compare Cowher's career with Sparano's so far.  There IS no comparison other than the fact that they both went 11-5 in their 1st season.  If the Dolphins went 12-4 this year and won a playoff game, we WOULDN'T be having this discussion.

And it's nice that Tampa stuck with Dungy and all, but the original discussion was about success and stability.  Pittsburgh was specifically mentioned.  Cowher is the only coach relevant to that discussion because Tampa isn't really known for it's stability and success now is it?  Dungy going 24-24 in his 1st 3 years as head coach was actually doing a FANTASTIC job for Tampa.

Sigh... this is kids Internet debate 101 all over again. Take the perceived weakest point of your "opponents" post and completely bombard that, ignoring everything else...

I guess I expected more.

(Note my phrasing in Cowher's case, btw, and note that the coach I DID use for comparison was Dungy, not Cowher.)

I edited my post to point out why Dungy doesn't belong in the discussion.  I didn't just take one point, I took the most relevant point of the discussion.

I disagree on both counts. You singled out something that was practically in parentheses, but whatever...

On to Dungy... Yes, the Bucs weren't exactly known for being stable (ever), but the Dolphins haven't exactly been lighting it up recently either.

The point is, and this is why I do believe Dungy is a relevant comparison, that Tampa got that stability with Dungy. Granted, they threw it away again by mortgaging their future to get Chucky, but that 3-year start was followed by 30 wins in 3 years. And Chucky's Super Bowl win the year after underscores that the team was in very good shape when he left (note that I'm not taking anything away from Chucky -- this isn't the place to discuss his merits, but suffice to say I like him as a coach and any credit you take away from his SB win due to Dungy, you can add back on for his old team getting to the SB as well).

Would Tampa have had that really stable stretch (60 wins in 6 years) + a SB if they had given up on Dungy after 3 years? Odds are they would have improved, 'cause it's hard to keep sucking like Tampa did, but I really do believe that coaching consistency has been critical for their success.

Actually you cited TWO coaches.  Not just Dungy but also Belichick. 

You may have also noticed nobody has pointed out all the Lombardi that Cleveland has won since he got fired.  It was a great move for that franchise

So you disagree that Cowher is the most relevant coach when talking about long term stability coinciding with success? Why? That was Hoodie's example. You brought Dungy into the discussion because he didn't have immediate success, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the idea that the Steeler's success may have had something to do with the fact they've only had 4 coaches.

Fair enough. So let's see the Bucs were 24-24 under Dungy in his first 3 years and they kept him. Sparano is 25-23 in his first 3 years and they kept him. Seems like both teams stuck with their coach. I'm sure there were a few in Tampa that didn't exactly think Dungy was the answer either, but they stuck with it. Same in Miami.

And if Sparano has a bit more success next year with the Dolphins, like maybe a playoff birth, I'll be happy with giving him more time to continue to improve the team, but at some point you got to see results. You can't just keep giving the guy year after year just for stability, you have to believe he's improving the team.  Back to back 7-9 seasons is pretty ugly, but if he follows it up with a nice 10-6 or something, I'll cut him some slack. Another 7-9 though and the progress just isn't being shown.

I'm gonna do something that I don't normally do, I'm gonna ask a question without really knowing the answer.  Prior to Belichick, how many coaches did New England go through?  I'm assuming it's quite a few.  You're not gonna honestly tell me you think the reason that New England was mediocre for so long is because they didn't stick with one head coach are you?  And you're also not gonna honestly tell me that the reason they have stuck with Belichick has NOTHING to do with the fact they have been winning, but rather the fact that they are winning has to do with the fact they stuck with Belichick?  Seriously?

There seems to be a bit of a disconnect there... Seems like you agree with me...


Now you're just plucking things out of context. The reference was clearly to the "bad" stint cited, which you then tore into.

As for the "overall" picture of the Steelers. Yes, I do think long term stability at head coach has been a major factor in their ability to seemingly always be contenders. It's not JUST about the head coach, it's the whole franchise. If the head coach isn't shopping for the groceries, it's clearly important to have some stability in the position that does said shopping.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_England_Patriots_head_coaches

Most relevant in recent history is perhaps the firing of Pete Carroll. And, yes, I'm gonna say that if it weren't for hindsight, Carroll should've been given more time. Sometimes it's just a few bad bounces that cause these things and it wouldn't have taken much for Carroll to stick. Now that he's gotten another chance in the NFL, we'll see if he "has what it takes", although the comparison to Belichick is likely never going to look good ;).

About what?  That you base your decision on whether or not to fire the head coach on how well or not the team performs?  You got me there. Not sure why you may have thought I disagreed with you on that count.

How is that any different than what we just agreed to above? That if you have success you keep the head coach and if you don't you get rid of him? The Steelers had success, plenty of it, so they kept him DESPITE the fact he had a couple bad years. The fact is that he showed success first. Same with Dungy, only to a lesser degree. Had Dungy been 8-40 in his first 3 years, you think Tampa sticks with him? NOT ON YOUR LIFE! For Tampa 24-24 WAS success. He HAD shown success, at least a little bit and that's why they stuck with him.

This is true of Sparano. He has shown a bit of success, the 11-5 year and the 2 7-9 seasons actually looked pretty good until the last 3 games of both seasons where they had a total collapse. He has shown some success and I'm absolutely sure that's why he was given an extension. He has been cut some slack. But he's running out of slack and time.

To answer your first question.  I think that the reason NEP was bad for so long had to do first with bad and often changing ownership.  Which then translated into inconsistent and often shifting coaching and GMs never allowing the team to build.  

My point was Cleveland let BB go too soon.  

Whoa whoa whoa!  Carroll should have been given more time? If they did, they might not have Belichick? Actually I'd say that supports the idea that you only give guys so much time before you move on and try to find something better.

That's a hindsight argument. What were the odds of finding what has turned out to be, arguably, the best coach in the history of the NFL (although the cheating stigma does put a bit of an asterisk to it, IMHO)?

If you absolutely KNOW you have someone better waiting in the wings (and that he'll stick around), then fine, go ahead and fire your coach REGARDLESS of his performance. Did Kraft know that? Maybe, but I doubt it. And that's what we're talking about here... what did Kraft know AT THE TIME... hindsight is irrelevant.


Okay... so we agree... on pretty much all points... hrm... I don't necessarily agree with you on the "running out of slack and time", but that's just a matter of slight degree, I think. If the team gets 6-7 wins next season, it would take a lot of mitigating circumstances for me not to believe it would be better to move on.

As for the whole causality issue... yes, clearly successful teams don't tend to fire their coaches, so it makes it difficult to figure out which caused what. I'm simply arguing that fielding a perennial contender is IMPOSSIBLE without stability at head coach. That's why I advocate not jettisoning a head coach too early, despite what may be lackluster results.

When you switch head coach, it affects everything. Depth is almost always completely shot with the new coach getting rid of all sorts of "good-but-not-great" players. If he's LUCKY and avoids too many injuries, there may be time to restock with "his type" of players before ownership succumbs to pressure and fires him. The same can be said to a certain extent about the other coaches. It takes time for a new head coach in particular to surround himself with the personnel he needs to succeed.

Perhaps.  Perhaps it was the fact that he went to New England and got a better ownership group and got lucky enough to draft an unknown QB named Brady that he helped develop into a stud QB.  Perhaps all that had a lot more to do with it than the fact that he wasn't given enough time in Cleveland.  Perhaps?

Brady wasn't a stud QB when the Patriots won their first Super Bowl. Not by a long shot.

Agreed.  But then again they were nearly knocked out of the playoffs by the Raiders that year...and now we all know the tuck rule. :)

There's always a little bit of luck involved when you win a Super Bowl.  Always.

That includes yourself with that comment there buddy.

What evidence is there that he's the best coach in the history of the NFL?  According to you and Hoodie, the reason the Patriots are good is because of stability, not because of Belichick.  Carrol would have done just as well as Belichick had he just been given enough time.  That's your argument and when it's put into those terms even you don't believe it.

No it's not.  The Steelers have proved that.  They've switched coaches 3 times and continue to field a perennial contender every year.

No, I don't believe Carrol could have done just as well as Belichick. I don't think it's likely ANYONE could. Let me just state this: I really, really dislike Belichick. He's a lying, cheating, unsportsmanlike SOB. But I also think he's the best coach in the National Football League.


What. The. Fuck.

Seriously, you're going to use the STEELERS as the poster-boy for instability at head coach???

Yeah, they've switched coaches three times since 1968. Cowher had a "short" stint... just 14 years.

That's not what I said.  You said it was impossible to switch coaches and remain a contender.  The Steelers have proved that's not true.  They have swithed coaches and remained a contender while doing it.  It is possible.

My point is that it's not the fact that you are switching coaches that causes you problems.  It's the fact that when you have a crappy coach, it takes a couple years to recover from that.  That's what has caused teams several years to reload and become relevant again.  The steelers haven't had to deal with that because they've always had good coaching.

Actually it supports the actions of Ross earlier this season.  Carroll was fired to make room Belichick. (I think we can all agree, hindsight proves Kraft was correct in that decision correct).  If BB wasn't available maybe Carroll would have gotten another year.

Ross wasn't willing to dump Sapano just to take whatever coach was available behind door #2, but if he could get what he felt was an upgrade in Harbough, he was willing to fire Sapano. 

Fans constantly are clamoring for whatever unknown is behind door number 2, instead of what they have now. 

You're looking at this too narrowly, IMHO. If you go back and read my posts, you'll note that I repeatedly stressed continuity in more than just coaching. The Steelers had what I would call "orderly transitions". They kept the same core philosophy and they kept most of the same people, both on and off the field.

As I've pointed out, one of the problems when you keep switching coaches is that you ruin your depth. It only takes a few years to get back (if you draft well) and it's certainly possible to get lucky and not have too many key injuries. However, if you KEEP switching coaches, you're dead in the water.

When it comes to "core philosophy", this is crucial for player development. You're completely screwing up your young players by changing everything around all the time. It's hard enough to go from college ball to the NFL without chaos surrounding the schemes you run, even the terminology used. Again, you might get away with doing it once, but if you keep doing it, you ARE going to pay for it, regardless of coaching quality.

Agree 100%. I had no problem with Ross looking for an upgrade and failing to find one, giving Sparano another chance, but everyone needs to be aware that just because Sparano signed an extension, nothing is certain beyond this year. He needs to show improvement in 2011 to ensure he's the head coach in 2012. 4 years is plenty of time to put the pieces in place. Not all of them necessarily, but enough of them to warrant continued support.

Ross won't make the same mistake next time. If he plans to look for an upgrade, he'll let Sparano go first.

I agree, but you also have to realize that some of the changes the Dolphins had no control over. The Dolphins did not fire Nick Saban, he quit. The Dolphins did not fire Jimmy Johnson, he quit.

You can't just force a coach to keep coaching. If they determine it's time to move on, then you deal with it the best way you can. I thought Jimmy was doing a good job, but he was burnt out, so he brought in his friend to coach and maintain his philosophy. It was a good idea, but Wanny just wasn't the same coach/talent evaluator that Jimmy was and the team gradually degraded to the point that Wanny had to leave. I thought Nick Saban was actually doing OK as well until the Alabama job opened up and it was clear that was his life long dream job and he took it. What can you do? Cameron was clearly a mistake and he was gone in 1 year. Now we have Sparano. He's better than Cam, but not the holy grail. He's a middle of the pack coach in my humble opinion. Not the worst, but not the best either. Maybe he's still learning and will actually blossom now that he's out from under Bill Parcells shadow. He might also wilt and die. This year should be a good judge. Either he shows the Dolphins he can do it or we find someone else, because we can't just keep handing him the keys without getting something in return.

^^ Bill Parcells (while not a coach) quit too!

Yeah, but anyone with a half a brain and the least bit knowledge of Bill Parcel's history knew the day he got hired, he would get bored in a couple of years and quit.  If BP's quitting was a shock to the Dolphin's front office, someone hasn't been paying attention. 

I guess I have issue with this statement.  I've been on the fence on whether to respond or not. 

Miami fans are not spoiled.  Miami fans are tired of watching former laughing stock teams (New Orlands, Tampa, New England) go on to win Super Bowls when they (Miami) can't muster up two winning seasons back to back much less be an actual legit playoff team.

Miami fans are tired of trading second round picks for the likes of Jay Fielder or AJ Feeley while watching quarterbacks such as Aaron Rogers and Matt Ryan (both of whom Miami could have drafted) snatched away by teams that just seem to draft better.

Spoiled?  No.  Very frustrated?  Yes.  How many seasons are we expected to sit around and toil in "below average?"  By my count it's been 27 years since Miami was in a Super Bowl.  Without a serviceable QB that time period will extend...and extend...

I was on the "give Henne time" wagon.  Now I am more along the lines of "we need to try something else."

You state that fans can't express this frustration without being accused of being "spoiled" unless they have a solution at hand.  Fans don't get paid to come up with solutions.  They buy the material: The jerseys, tickets, hats.  They take time out of their day to watch, listen and debate.  What difference does it make if someone says "Henne isn't the answer, trade for Carson Palmer" or "Henne sucks, dump him, I want to win now?" 

IMO either "opinion" is correct.  I think attacking frustrated fans of a team that has done exactly diddly shit for 25+ years isn't the answer.

...but maybe that's just me.

^^^ Great post.

Some "fans" just feel the need to see something 1,000,000 times before they are ok with moving on and trying something different. Other "fans" can see the handwriting on the wall a lot earlier and will call for change sooner rather than later.

I would LOVE to see Henne come out next year and light the world on fire. Do I think it will happen...NOPE! Do I hope it happens....YEP! Same with Sparano, I hope he  becomes a great head coach. Will it happen,....probably not. But I hope for it. But in these 2 cases its like hoping for a miracle.

I have sat through enough NFL football in my life to not need 16 more games of Henne turning the ball over left and right to come to the conclusion he isn't a starting caliber NFL QB on a winning team. I have seen enough. Same with Sparano. I don't need another season to see he can't cut it as a head coach. I have seen him for 3 years, he has shown nothing! NOTHING!

I hope for the best but I don't see much sunshine in our future. I see 2011 being another doom and gloom season. Where 7-9 or 8-8 is what we are. Unles we go out and get a Kolb or Orton and add anothr couple weapons on offense, this team isn't that good. And our coaches aren't that good.

So people can call us fans "knee jerk" or whatever, call  all the names they want, but it doesnt' change reality or the facts of the situation when it comes to the Fins