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Title: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: Pappy13 on April 14, 2011, 10:33:36 am
to #10 to pick Ryan Mallet. The thought process being that they might need to jump over Minnesota at #12 to get him.

If the Dolphins choose Mallet in the 1st round at or before #15, will you be disappointed?


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: Tenshot13 on April 14, 2011, 11:04:59 am
I would be disappointed if they moved up to get him.  I'd be ok at taking him at fifteen though.


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 14, 2011, 01:45:29 pm
Yes, Dan Snyder has a strong history of trading down.  Who comes up with these projection?


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: Brian Fein on April 14, 2011, 01:47:12 pm
I don't know how any mock draft can predict a team trading up.  Seems a bit of a cop out for the guy not wanting to project a high prospect slipping, and damaging the credibility of his mock draft.


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: Pappy13 on April 14, 2011, 03:25:24 pm
I don't know how any mock draft can predict a team trading up.  Seems a bit of a cop out for the guy not wanting to project a high prospect slipping, and damaging the credibility of his mock draft.
I believe it was based on the fact that Washington is actively seeking to trade out of the 10th pick. What Miami would offer to move up was not mentioned. This particular mock draft was designed as a "What if" mock draft, suggesting some possible scenario's that may not be that likely, but still based on current known info.

Basically they were suggesting that since Miami seems to be very interested in Mallet and that perhaps Minnesota might be too, to get him they might have to jump them and the most likely candidate to do that would be Washington.  It's plausible if not very likely.


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 14, 2011, 03:59:55 pm
I don't know how any mock draft can predict a team trading up.  Seems a bit of a cop out for the guy not wanting to project a high prospect slipping, and damaging the credibility of his mock draft.

I predict NE trades down.


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: Spider-Dan on April 14, 2011, 06:01:07 pm
I'm warming up to Mallett.  His main problem seems to be INTs when pressured, and Jake Long is just about the best possible solution for that issue.


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: MikeO on April 15, 2011, 07:42:25 am
ESPN has has a mock up done by a couple NFL Scouts with us taking a DE at 15.  Cameron Jordan from Cal

If we do that we truley have no clue. D-line is our strongest unit


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: Sunstroke on April 15, 2011, 09:37:20 am
ESPN has has a mock up done by a couple NFL Scouts with us taking a DE at 15.  Cameron Jordan from Cal

If we do that we truley have no clue. D-line is our strongest unit

Just because it ties in to another post...

The only player I'm seeing mocked in the middle of round one that I'd rather not have is Cameron Jordan, the D-lineman out of Cal. I think his numbers are a mirage, and think his head will keep him from developing into a star-caliber player at the next level. I could be wrong about him, but my gut says he's bustalicious.



Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: Pappy13 on April 15, 2011, 10:28:07 am
I'm warming up to Mallett.  His main problem seems to be INTs when pressured, and Jake Long is just about the best possible solution for that issue.
I'm warming up to him too. The things that scare most people about Mallet don't really scare me that much. The INT's against good teams, the lack of leadership skills, the off-field issues with alcohol, the lack of mobility.

INT's against very good defenses is not all that uncommon especially in college. That doesn't necessarily translate to a bad QB in the pro's. Most QB's need a year at the pro level to really begin to learn how to avoid turnovers. Some make the transition and some don't, it's too early to know whether or not Mallet will be able to make the transition.

The lack of leadership I think is overblown by those who don't really know him. If you talk to guys that played with him, there's no suggestion of lack of leadership skills. Jake Long never mentioned lack of leadership when asked about Mallet, he played with him for a year at Michigan.

Hmmm...a kid in college who likes to drink? Seems I've heard of that before a time or 2. Again, I dont' know that a couple instances of having too much to drink in college is really cause for alarm. There have been suggestions of other drugs, but there have been no instances concerning other drugs as far as I know. Kids usually grow out of that once they leave the college campus, not all do, but not all continue to have problems either, most don't.

The lack of mobility is an issue only if it means that he can't avoid sacks very well, but from what I've read he's actually pretty good at avoiding sacks. He's able to step up in the pocket and deliver the ball while taking a hit. He's a big guy, he doesn't seem to go down easy when hit either. Marino wasn't mobile and he did a fine job avoiding sacks, but I actually compare Mallet more to Ben Roethlisberger, who's able to shake off sacks long enough to get rid of the ball because of his size. If Mallet can do that he'll be just fine. I don't know for sure that he will, but I'm not convinced that he won't either.

The positives with Mallet far outweigh the negatives in my humble opinion. Good accuracy. Strong arm. Played in a pro-style offense. I think there's a fire about him too. Some were turned off by his snippy comments to reporters, I on the other hand like that. I like that he wasn't intimidated by reporters. There was also the question of him leaving Michigan to play for Arkansas, but I thought that showed guts. He knew the kind of offense they were putting in at Michigan didn't fit him and he was confident enough in his own ability to sit out a year and then go somewhere that fit his style.

One last thing that I think is important is that he's a similar type of QB to Henne. At first that may sound like a knock on him, but I don't think it is. One of the reasons that Pat White failed so miserably in my opinion was that he didn't fit this offense. Henne fits this offense. Mallet fits this offense. I don't want 2 different offenses  one for the starting QB and one for the backup, I want a backup QB who can step in and run the same offense just as well as the starter. Mallet I think could come in and challenge for the starting spot right away, they wouldn't have to devise a different offense for him.

The only real question for me is whether or not #15 is too high to take him and whether or not another player would be better at #15. That I don't know, but what I do know is that I don't really like Mark Ingram at #15. Mallet has tons of upside in my opinion, I dont' see that in Ingram. Maybe Mallet never realizes that upside, but I'd rather take a shot at a special player over taking one that seems to be the "safe" choice. We did that with Long and it's worked out OK, but now it's time to be bold. Be daring. Take a chance on a kid that might just put it all together. Maybe he won't, but we can't wait for the perfect guy to just fall into our laps. We have been waiting for 11 years now for that to happen and it hasn't. It's time to take some chances.


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: MikeO on April 15, 2011, 06:33:30 pm
In my opinion unless there is a blue chip NT or a top flight CB....we MUST draft offense at 15. Im not high on Ingram but I would rather have him over a LB or DE or Saftey.

If we go QB, WR, RB, TE....I don't really care, but it MUST be someone to improve our offense from day 1 (or if its a QB then in short order down the road). Miami's defense is good enough when healthy, no drastic messures are needed there. Our offense is one of the worst in the entire league, time for drastic messures to be taken


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: masterfins on April 15, 2011, 07:10:19 pm
In my opinion unless there is a blue chip NT or a top flight CB....we MUST draft offense at 15. Im not high on Ingram but I would rather have him over a LB or DE or Saftey.

If we go QB, WR, RB, TE....I don't really care, but it MUST be someone to improve our offense from day 1 (or if its a QB then in short order down the road). Miami's defense is good enough when healthy, no drastic messures are needed there. Our offense is one of the worst in the entire league, time for drastic messures to be taken

I agree with most of this post, would like to see a RB & TE before QB or WR, however it does depend on who is available when its Miami's turn.  "one of the worst" offenses is a bit harsh, I think they are mediocre.


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: Tenshot13 on April 15, 2011, 08:21:25 pm
ESPN has has a mock up done by a couple NFL Scouts with us taking a DE at 15.  Cameron Jordan from Cal

If we do that we truley have no clue. D-line is our strongest unit
I've seen a few mocks with us taking a DE, but it was to replace Misi and move him to ILB.  I would still like to take Mallet, Ingram or Julio Jones before a defensive player though.


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: MikeO on April 16, 2011, 03:24:12 am
I agree with most of this post, would like to see a RB & TE before QB or WR, however it does depend on who is available when its Miami's turn.  "one of the worst" offenses is a bit harsh, I think they are mediocre.

meidocre is kind. We can't run the ball. Our #1 WR drops everything. Every WR after him has no speed. And we have a Qb who completes more passes to the other team than his own in key spots.


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: BigDaddyFin on April 28, 2011, 02:45:53 am
Still think we should trade down or take Pouncey or Ingram with the first pick.


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: MikeO on April 28, 2011, 05:33:45 am
Still think we should trade down or take Pouncey or Ingram with the first pick.

Ingram isn't worthy of a 1 roudn RB. Guy only carried the ball at Alabama about 14 times a game. Thats in college. Not sure if he can carry an NFL workload. Plus you don't draft RB's in round 1.

Pouncey is our starting GUARD from day 1. Would be fine with him


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: hordman on April 28, 2011, 07:06:48 am
Still think we should trade down or take Pouncey or Ingram with the first pick.

I agree with you.  would be nice to recoup a 2nd round pick that we lost with Brandon "Stab 'Em We Slab 'Em" Marshall.

I think if we don't take one of those 2 mentioned above, they will be future Pro Bowl players with other teams.

then again, playing for us might not allow for them to get to the PB as well....LOL

I just hope the 1st round pick makes an immediate impact for the Phins.


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: Dolphster on April 28, 2011, 09:00:44 am
I'd hate to see Miami go QB in the first round.  Due to supply and demand (a lot of teams need QBs this year), the value of a lot of mediocre college QBs have increased dramatically this year.  This draft is rich in talented Offensive Linemen.  Since the Fins don't have a 2nd rounder, I could see them trading down in order to pick up someone else's 2nd rounder.  With so many excellent OLs this year, the Fins could still pick up a high quality OL early in the 2nd round.  You can also find quality RBs in the 3rd round so I'd like to see them go offensive line with the first pick and then RB with their next pick.  I know the Fins should be looking for someone to take the job away from Henne, but I'm just not impressed with this year's QB pool coming out of college.


Title: Re: Saw a Mock Draft that had the Dolphins moving up....
Post by: BigDaddyFin on April 28, 2011, 11:53:26 pm
Pouncey.  I am pleased.