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He had surgery and is in intensive care, will be released in 2-3 days

Time to get rid of his clown and move on. He is nothing but trouble. And he wasn't even that good on the field last year. Another Parcells/Ireland/Sparano mistake!!

Marshall's wife has been arrested.

OMG please just shut the hell up MikeO. A guy get's stabbed and before we even know any details you're practically blaming him for getting stabbed. Why are you even here, just to atagonize because you're clearly not a fan of the Dolphins. There are other non fans here, but they don't stir the pot the way you do. It's time for you to just stick to whichever team you root for forums.

He has a track record of domestic violence. You don't think that will be a factor in how all of this plays out.

If it was a first time thing with him, ok. But its not. It's like the 10th thing with him.

P.S...I am a dolphins fan I hate to break it to ya, I Just don't kiss the fanny's of players and coaches of my team. When they are clowns or do dumb things I call them on it. I'm not a jock sniffer like some here are!

For a Dolphins fan you sure are extremely negative about just about everything about them.  Are you ever happy?

and people ask why I have an attiude. I start a thread about a BREAKING NEWS story involving one of the biggest players on our team currently and the first response isn't about the news, isn't an opinion on the story...........it's taking a shot at me!

YOU have derailed the thread. And YOU have attacked me. Yet some ask why I don't show people respect around here and have an attitude. Like I said....LOOK IN THE MIRROR!

You call it negative, I call it honest. When our team sucks (WHICH IT DOES, look at the scoreboard and standings the past few years)....I will say it!! I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and pretend everything is ok!

You posted it so that you could take a shot at Marshall.  You're a troll.

I posted it because its breaking news all over ESPN and every Fins fan site out there.  ::)

How dumb are you?? Seriously!!!!

I was just coming to post something on this. I'm curious to hear more.

Does that make you a TROLL like me?! lol lol lol

I am reading that Marshall had an "incident" with this same female (his wife) in 09'. Where he was abusing her (he has had other incidents with other females). Who knows the real story, but Marshall's history will come back to get him here. His wife can't stab him, but if he was abusing her  in any way and at partial  fault here, he might face a 1-4 game suspension to open the season whenever that happens.

And then you threw in your little comment about Marshall that was totally uncalled for and completely unnecessary.  You think you are very clever when in fact everyone here knows exactly who you are and what you are. I predict you get absolutely zero support on this from anyone.

You COULD have simply reported that Marshall had been stabbed, but you never miss an opportunity to bad mouth someone, even when they are in the hospital recovering from surgery. I'm sure you're extremely proud of yourself that you got me to react.  I should have restrained myself, but my disgust got the better of me. I've tried to stay away from conversations involving you, but this time I just had to speak up. I had read somewhere else that Marshall had been stabbed and came here to see what anyone was saying and the first thing I see is you calling Marshall a clown, apparently for getting stabbed by his wife. Perhaps you right and perhaps Marshall does deserve some criticism, but when the man is in the hospital recovering from surgery, it's not the right time nor place. You know that and you don't care. You showed him the same respect that you've shown everyone here. Zero.

ITS A MESSAGE BOARD!!!!!!! All we do here is voice opinions!!!!! What the hell is the point of having a message board if you can't voice opinions and share thoughts??? Why have talk-radio, why have an internet message board, why have a BLOG, why have anything in your world?!?!?

Its a place to comment on news!!   ::)

I thinking taking that no. "19" jersey was bad karma :)

seriously, just saw on ESPN and looks like his wife was arrested and she's in jail.  state law requires hospital to report the stabbing the police to investigate.

wow, this organization can not get out this dung heap.  I dont know what say. I love this team and will always be a fan, but some of the stuff that comes out of SoFLA makes you shake your head.

still like Ingram in the 1st round.

I guess all of these people are a-holes like me for COMMENTING on the Marshall stabbing, and if you read through the posts on various sites, some people are actually being tough on Marshall, oh the humanity! A guy with a record of domestic violence not getting the benefit of the doubt, what has the world come too ::) ....


http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?298109-Marshall-stabbed-by-woman-in-ICU

http://www.phins.com/phorum/read.php?3,91986

http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?61197-Marshall-stabbed-and-in-intensive-care!

http://www.phinfever.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4276


and there are abotu 40 more!!!!

And yet most of us realize that it's nothing but our opinion and that there's a time and a place for criticism and there's a time and a place to hold our opinions to ourselves. You hold a higher standard of restraint to the players than you do to yourself.

That's just my OPINION, I could be wrong....but in this case I doubt it.

Well lets see, I see a "My thoughts and prayers go out to him", "Hope he's alright", "Get well Brandon" and a lot of similar opinions. There's one or 2 that are critical of him. What's your member name on those other forums? Wait let me guess, you are Strangeworld on Finheaven.com?

1 or 2 critical of him...lol lol. Clearly you didn't read them all. And noboy is wishing the man to die, everyone wants him to be fine.

and I don't know what your talking about from Finheaven, but you might want to "get a life" cause you are clearly taking this "internet world of Dolphins football" way way WAY too seriously. Getting worked up over this stuff. Get outside, get some fresh air, talk to some people face to face. 

It has absolutely zero to do with the Miami Dolphins and everything to do with respect for others and self restraint of which you seem to have little to none of either.

And you'll also notice that I'm not the only one pointing out the fact that this isn't the time to be criticisizing.

From NJPhin from your last link.

"Guy gets stabbed gets put in icu and these are first responses? Reallll scummish guys.."

My thoughts exactly.

Police report is coming out and Brandon's wife is claiming self defense. With Brandon's documented history this isn't going to be good for him. He might be facing a long NFL suspension and possible jail time if the FACTS back up her claim.

"A unicorn...

A leprechaun...

An honest politician...

An open-minded televangelist...

The Winter Olympics held in the Bahamas...

A long snapper from a losing team winning the NFL MVP award..."


(Taken from the list: "Things I expect to see before I see MikeO getting along with others.")

Some people here meetup at tailgates, or just to have a beer...Although, I don't see anyone here inviting you to a tailgate or for a beer ever.

don't worry I wouldn't want to hang out with you psycos and losers in any way in the "real world"!  Seeing how you act on here, I imagine seeing some in this group in real life would be like the scene from the bar in Star Wars

Then leave. 

Marshall's contract allows us within 30 days once the new league season begins to cut him, and only be out $3 mill. And take almost no cap hit.

If they keep him the Fins are on the hook for $15.5 mill no matter what, no matter when they cut him down the road

Seeing how you act on here, you would likely be the type who would try to pick a fight with someone after drinking one beer. And, that's the problem with you. You have this holier than thou attitude, and you think that your opinion on everything is superior to everyone elses..even though we read the exact same websites that you do to get the exact same information. That's pretty damn funny when you think about it.

Case in point...Spider Dan and I rarely agree on anything. And we have been in arguments as well. He went to the event I put on in Oakland last season. I wasn't able to go, but if I had, I would have been more than happy to hang out with him and have a few beers.

If you went to one of my events, and I knew it was you, I'd tell you to stay the hell away from me, and if you didn't, we'd have a problem.

The difference is that even though people disagree, they can do it without being disrespectful. Your limited brain capacity doesn't seem to be able to process that.

And if you think we are all losers, then why waste your time here? Does it make you feel like a big man? Did you not get enough love from your mother as a child?

It's a two way street. Respect isn't given, its earned. The first response to this news story I put up wasn't about the topic, it was a bash at me for no reason. Yet I am supposed to be respectful? Please!

You get what you give, some of you FAIL to see that. Like I said, look in the mirror before you throw stones junior!

^^Why wasn't this written yesterday? Every last bit of it was true yesterday except for this last incident. Whomever wrote it seized the moment just to blast the guy. I realize that Marshall is no saint and I'm not defending Marshall. If it turns out Marshall brought this on himself some way and people want to criticize him, so be it, but this morning it wasn't even clear yet who had stabbed him or how serious it really was. At the time it was being reported that he was still in intesive care although they were saying he would make a full recovery. I just object to kicking a man when he's down. I may have over reacted a bit, but this isn't the first time that you've seized an opportunity to blast someone and personally I'm tired of it. I think most of the others here are too.

Do I think Belichick would keep a talented but temperamental wide receiver who has had clashes with the law and has repeatedly shown a lack of effort, including taking himself out of games?

Is this a serious question?

Uh, he got rid of him in the middle of last season. He risked hurting his offense to keep chemistry and lose off the field distraction

cut a guy with off the field issues and bring in BRAYLON EDWARDS?  LOLOLOLOL . retard.

There is  an ignore feature here on this message board. I suggest you take advantage of it then!  8)

And godforbid someone "blast" a public figure. I mean nobody blasts the president, or charlie sheen, or rock stars, or tv stars, or movie stars, or athletes. I mean who would think someone would have the nerve to "blast" a public figure. Oh the humanity!   ::)

People wouldn't be blasting you if you hadn't come on this board declaring war on everyone. You're the one who should take a look in the mirror. You complain because people don't like your attitude and blame them for you being a douchebag.

just about every thread you post in, you are attacking someone for something.

And, I doubt you would call me junior to my face, just like you wouldn't say the other things you say to people here to their face. You're a gutless internet tough guy, and I bet that if someone confronted you in person, you'd be singing a totally different tune. Just a gutless coward.

And you know something, kid? If every member of the board has a problem with you, maybe its you with the problem.

settle down sparky. Nobody declared war on anyone. Just when I have an opinion that might not be popular or some of you disagree with....some of you guys can't take it. Can't accept thinking outside the box or a differeing view point. So you attack. I return fire....and then you just get beside yourself and act all foolish like you did in the post I quoted above. Settle down, no need to get all worked up over "football talk"

Spoken like a coward behind a keyboard. Poor MikeO, no one likes his point of view so he attacks and blames it on everyone else.

Boo hoo.

Like I said before, no one has a problem with a different point of view. What we have a problem with is the way you come across. You come across the same way a troll does.

Oh and by the way..the ignore feature does not work. If it did, you'd likely think that this was a VERY slow board.

Does this really surpirse anyone? He still has not answered the question as to why ManRam is the best RH ever in the last 30 years and a level above future HOFers when there is not even a consenus with baseball analysts that this is the case.
Does it surprise anyone when he used the Marshall thread previously to go off on Fitzgerald for "beating his girlfriend into a bloody pulp" and when no one could find one story of this level of violence happening proceeded to call everyone in the thread as pro domestic violence.
Mike O does not need statsistics, facts, or even the truth to make his case for he is MIKEO the omnipotent being and his opinion is the truth period. All the rest of us are mere mortals operation permanently on hate mode and sipping haterade from our sippy cups trying to drag this great being down to our level because we are intellectually incapable of reaching the pinnacle of human achievement that is MIKEOphoria.

Actually she was arrested for the incident. His previous two incidents the first girlfriend never pressed charges, and the second involving this woman, officers witnessed both hitting each other. So it seems as if she has issues of her own. Also in 2007 the first incident also involved the girl pulling out a knife on him only he did not get stabbed at the time.
Sounds as if he likes girls as crazy as he is.
So your whole theory of his past catching up to him will not work as there have been no charges filed and this woman was hitting him too in the last altercation. They both have a history of violence against each other which will hurt her more than him as she stabbed him.

uh, aren't you talking behind a keyboard throwing around threats?!  ::)
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4A756xTC0s

Watch this video!!!  With the 911 calls from Brandon's "domestic violence" past! This is all you need to know about Brandon Marshall.  Nuff said!! Police reports say he cut his past girlfriend in the right thigh (with photo evidence shown) with a knife as he also punched her in the head! Take a few min to watch. Might learn something. So NO he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from me. Sorry if that upsets some of you.

When did I threaten you? All I did was point out that you wouldn't have the guts to talk all your trash to anyone's face.

 ::) grow up

I believe that it's against the law to defend yourself with a deadly weapon if your attacker is only using his hands.  If he hit her first and she grabbed a knife and stuck him with it, she commited a crime.  That doesn't make Marshall completely innocent. 

That being said, I think it would be wise for all of us to take a chill pill and let the case unfold before passing judgment on anyone, especially each other.  The drama in this thread is completely unnecessary.

Damn this is fun...LOL

Anyway, my 2 cents on Marshall...

If it turns out that he was abusing her and she retaliated, he should be punished. However, since SHE was the one arrested, I don't think that is the case. If it was unwarranted, she should be charged with attempted murder.

Best post of the year! (so far)

you people make everything about me. Can't even have a simple debate about today's Brandon Marshall situation. You would rather talk about me.

Some of you are amazing....(in a bad way)

BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND....

On a football note, Marshall is 1 strike away from a 1 year suspension under the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy. IF anything of any sort comes out that he was the least bit responsible for starting the incident or laying his hands on her, he will be gone for this upcoming season or the next 16 regular season games if this year is shortened.

I fully believe Miami might very well cut him if they get info he was at any fault in this. Free up cap space and get out of this mess only out $3 mill and a 2nd round pick.

It doesn't work. I tried it a long time ago.

He didn't "get rid of him" (in the same sense that you are saying we should get rid of Marshall).  He traded him (and a 7th) for a 3rd-round pick.  And this is after 3+ years on NE (during which Moss set the single-season record for receiving TDs) and at the end of a significant statistical decline.

When you imply that we should "get rid of Marshall just like Belichick would," do you actually mean "hold on to him for long enough to set records, then trade him at the end of his contract for a third-round pick"?  If so, then that's an awesome idea.

AWESOME, some actual real football talk!!

Difference is all of Moss's "issues" happened BEFORE New England. As soon as he started talking out in the press and showing displeasure, Belichick got rid of him ASAP!  Marshall is continuing his trend of off the field issues in Miami carried over from Denver.  As well as his antics ON the field last year where he was a walking 15 yard penalty at times, it makes perfect sense to cut ties with him now and not take a huge cap hit. Marshall is on the T.O. path where he will be lucky to find 1 team that would sign him. The guy is a nightmare of a teammate and a clear cancer wherever he goes.  He can't be depended on and he can't be trusted.

Brandon got the benefit of the doubt when he came to Miami. New City, new team, clean slate....well that was washed away yesterday with this news item. Normal people aren't getting stabbed by their wife for no good reason. To think he was just some innocent soul who was unlucky is being foolish and short-sited.He clearly pushed her to the point where she snapped and did that to him. That doesn't clear her or make it alright or an excuse for her, but Marshall is at some fault here.

And in all honesty he might be suspended for the year since this probably will be his 3rd strike under the NFL PERSONAL CONDUCT POLICY, so cutting him will be an easy decision for our front office

I love Mike-O's one strike and you're out rule..I seriously hope you are never the boss of a company anywhere..you would single handedly make this recession worse :)

One strike? ha ha... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4A756xTC0s

Talk about 15th strike!! Watch the video. See the evidence. Listen to the 911 calls and read the police reports. It's all in the video in the link above. It's all there!

I don't know where you pulled that from. All you have to do is prove fear for your life (or someone else's) in order to use deadly force of your own.

And that your fear was reasonable. 

Simply fearing for your life or that the attacker was going to cause serious bodily harm is not enough.  Your fear must be reasonable (e.g. you can't be paranoid or nuts.  If you genuinely believe that a 3 year old is going to kill you with a foam noodle and you defend yourself with a weapon that is not enough because the fear is not reasonable.)  I think the fear that a professional football player could inflict serious bodily injury with only his hands would be considered reasonable by most courts, so your omission is not a big matter in this case.   

Dude, your raging hard on for Miami's failure is actually kinda sickening

Why is everyone assuming that Marshall did something wrong?

History doesn't indicate future.  Its a trend, maybe a coincidence, not the rule.

How bout we wait to hear the whole story before we make any decisions, mmkay?  Remember, Marshall is the VICTIM here, not the assailant.

^^ couldn't agree more

^^^ While random crime does exist....  Most stabbing victims got themselves in that situation by being less than a saint. One thing I learned when I did an internship at the DA's office was there is very very little random crime, much less than the news reports would suggest.  Most of the murder victims were drug dealers in deals gone bad.  Almost every home break in was actually a drug house.  The incidents of kids being randomly kidnapped from playgrounds happens almost never and 99.99% of all kidnapping is a family squabble and custody battle gone messy.  

Very often the criminal aspects of the victim neither are brought up at trial or are ever reported in the paper so we get this false view that random crime is rampant.  It is not, it is almost non-existent.  

My money is there was a reason he got stabbed particularly given his past history.  

Maybe it's because of my job(including my past job),but for a woman to stab you...(unless she's just plain effin crazy to begin with) A normally sane woman,97.9% of the time...It's because of another woman,or thinking it's another woman...She isn't gonna stab you because you forgot to take out the trash, pay a bill,maybe spent a little too much money...just sayin..

I can't say I'm surprised to hear that the general sense at a district attorney's office is that the victims of crime also happen to be criminals, too.

It is not just a general sense.  It is a factual truth.  Most of the victims had rap sheets as long as the accused.  I even heard a public defender joke to a DA "so which one is playing the role the victim this week and which one is the accused?" pointing out that each had accused the other of assault a dozen times. 

That last bit sounds extremely questionable to me... I know a half dozen victims of home break-ins, and all are normal law-abiding citizens with no criminal record. Maybe you were just in a really bad neighborhood with a large number of poorly secured drug houses or something.

Of the people I know personally (all 4) who have been victims of break ins all of them are normal law abiding citizens.  However, of the 26 I knew of thru the DA's office only three did not have multiple arrests and convictions and appeared to be normal law-abiding citizens.  But I don't hang out with drug dealers socially. 

I would expect that any burglary that a normal abiding citizen would be personally aware of would have happened to another normal law abiding citizen and thus think that most of the victims are and are then shocked when they read in the newspaper that there was a hundred break-ins in the city last year and think that means 100 innocent victims when in fact it was only 7 or 8 normal law abiding citizens.       

You mean their particular history right? For the last time he ran into the law concerning domestic violence was with this same woman in Atlanta. They were both arrested after being witnessed by officers mutally beating on each other.
So it is not surprising that he wound up getting stabbed by her. They both have issues and appearantly both do not have a problem commiting crimes against each other.

What also is there is a woman who kept dropping charges and going back therefore tying the hands of law enforcement and sending mixed messages to the NFL by saying she was not attacked then later recanting.
Also there are the multiple letters asking for money, and when no money appreared, she went back each time.
You act as if it is a clear cut case, and it is not that simple because you need evidence and witnesses to prosecute and she took this out of the equation until the final time when she finally pressed charges in Atlanta.
So while there is stories, calls, and reports, there are also dropped charges, repeated returning to the relationship, letters asking for money and telling his employer he did nothing wrong. This all comes into play in a court of law and public opinion.
He is not an angel, but these two woman by their choices have made it more difficult for law enforcement to finally stop him.

So you're saying that it is a factual truth that most murder victims are drug dealers and almost every home break-in is a drug dealer's house?

I do find it interesting that he initially told the ER staff that he accidentally fell and cut himself on broken vase shards rather than tell them his wife stabbed him.

Because he knows he's a 3rd strike away from being suspended for a year. And losing a years salary. And would be cut by the Dolphins and turn into the next TO with teams avoiding him like the plague not wanting any part of him or to sign him. And he would be playing for the vet min with incentive filled contracts.

Goodell doesn't need a court order, or a conviction, or a police report to give Brandon his 3rd strike. This could be just like the Big Ben case last year. Big Ben was guilty we all knew it, but he never spent a day in jail or anything like that. But Goodell still suspended him. You got Marshall with 2 strikes, if Goodell thinks he had a part in this and gives him a 3rd stike....good bye Brandon for 1 full year!

That's why he was lying to the ER staff. Try and keep this hush hush

I think he was trying to protect her, not himself.  He was the one who was stabbed.

He is the one that makes the big pay checks and he wants to see them continue to come in!

I listened to the 911 call made by his wife, and she calmly asks the operator to send help for an emergency, repeats herself, then hangs up.  Certainly didn't sound like a woman that was attacked and had to defend herself.

Also released by the police. When they arrived they found Marshall with defensive wounds on his hands. This looks even worse for her as it is obvious she made multiple swipes at him with the knife.
Both of them need some time in the rubber room.

Marshall's history is definitely working against him.  Even if he turns out to be the victim in this case, Goodell might very well suspend him because he put himself into another situation where this was likely to occur by maintaining a volatile relationship.  We'll have to wait for all the details to come out before we can make any firm judgments.  One point I would like to add is that the multiple wounds to his hands don't necessarily mean that she was the aggressor.  It could be that he simply kept attacking even after being wounded.

Either way, I wouldn't mind seeing him wearing anyone else's uniform soon...

Thats the way I feel. Hope Miami throws him to the curb. He didn't even improve our offense last year, all he did was get stupid 15 yard penalty's, drop balls, and our offense regressed. At least if your gonna be a nut-job like Big Ben, Vick, or Plax...be a good player and help your team win. Brandon doesn't. His teams won nothing in Denver and the trend continued in Miami. WR is one position where we have some depth actually. Not great depth but Moore can play a little as can Wallace . Throw in Hartline and maybne add someone in free agency. I don't see a huge dropoff.

This guy isn't worth the headache anymore and the black eye he is bringing to this franchise. And I do think Goodell very well might suspsend him for a year.

are you really saying godell would suspend him b/c he married a nutjob and stayed with her?

I hadn't really thought of it that way, but yes.  It's a real-life enactment of the saying "lie down with dogs and wake up with fleas."  He kept this crazy woman in his life, so now he's going to have to live with the consequences. 

Why don't we all wait for the facts in the case to come out before we start blaming one party or the other?

because with Marshall's history he has lost the benefit of the doubt. In the court of Public Opinion when you have 9+ domestic violence cases against you, its hard to believe THIS one time he was totally innocent.

^^ And public opinion is SO meaningful in legal cases ::)

A few thoughts on this...

* First, I have no doubt that Marshall wasn't just some innocent bystander to this situation, but likely provoked/instigated it 100%. Marshall isn't a "let cooler heads prevail" type of arguer, he's a "let's escalate this argument" type of arguer.

* Of the 9+ domestic violence cases you noted, how many resulted in charges and how many resulted in "charges were dropped," "charges were dismissed" or "no charges were filed?" The answer is either "all" or "all but one," depending on how you file the 3/6/2008 assault arrest.

* His last girlfriend, Watley, was arguably the most insane psycho-skank to ever walk the Earth. Gandhi himself may have backhanded that woman, just as a public service...


No argument, but when is Marshall going to learn that he IS a public figure, and really needs to chill the fuck out with all the anger issues, because they will get magnified x100 under the media microscope every time.

It's gonna take more than buying me lunch to make up with me.... :D

Public Opinion puts pressure on the NFL Commish to step in and do something. Like giving Marshall his 3rd strike. If some womans groups start protesting that this guy who is a 9 or 10 time offender has never served a real penalty, so do something now....yeah it matters!!

Mike, may the same criteria you have described work for you if you ever end up with a psycho.

Public figure? Bullshit. Since when does becoming a public figure automatically make you guilty of whatever someone accuses you of?

what world do you live in!!

The one where people are innocent until proven guilty

So, pre-Patriot Act USA?

Not going there