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Will OSU get hit hard??

He will be out of a job soon. He can't survive this.

Urban Myer to Ohio St . He will be the hot name there.

OSU won't fire him, and Tressel won't quit, so he'll still be around next year.  It's always the cover-up that is worse than the infraction.  I'd rather see the NCAA worry about the multi-million dollar slush funds that the bowl games use for themselves, than players trading plaques for tattoos.

The pressure on OSU to fire him will be huge. Unless Tressel quits to save some face. I would be shocked if he survives this.

I'd like to see another death penalty (how many are old enough to remember when it happened) and have it strike OSU. Didn't Tressel get Youngstown St. in trouble also?

Yes he got nailed at Youngstown, so this is not his first rodeo. I would love to see one of the classic "big" programs get the SMU treatment.

NCAA has said they will probably never impose the death peanlty again. They felt the SMU one was a mistake.

^^^ Yes I don't expect it would ever happen again, but SMU was about as dirty as they could come back then. It still doesn't change that I would like to see some of my "favorite" programs get hit with it.

Yes but SMU was doing the same thing as the other schools in its state ala Texas and Texas A&M were doing, the NCAA went after the little school instead of the bigger powers.

^^^ But SMU was waving it in everyone's face. Once they were cited, they continued on the same course of action. You have to at least play the game better than they did.

Really? No one else was doing it that big either? Hell Dickerson's new car was called the Trans A&M that he got before signing with SMU who didnt buy it. All three schools were just as guilty as each other but the NCAA only went after SMU and not the two big Texas schools which makes no sense.

When has the NCAA ever been accused of being a sensible organization?

As I predicted a while back. He can't survive this. HE DIDN'T SURVIVE THIS!!!

Tressell quit today. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6606999

MikeO-damus 

Saw this one coming a mile away. You can't survive what Tressel was caught doing. Can't lie to the NCAA either like he did. Plus an SI article coming out this week exposes more and puts his program in a worse light. He had to bolt before that SI article comes out this week.

Urban Meyer will be the next OSU coach after this upcoming season. OSU will try to take all the punishment and lumps this year and Urban will try and become a media darling at ESPN, then Urban will jump on that job after this upcoming season. He is the guy Ohio St wants

I agree with the fact that you can't survive what Tressel was doing.  He obviously was trying to cover up NCAA violations which led to more NCAA violations.  Next thing you know, his goose was cooked.

I don't see Urban Meyer going anywhere but to Notre Dame, and that is if he comes back to coaching at the college level.  He could end up being an offensive coordinator in the NFL, and his spread option may work for a while like it did in the SEC.  Then teams will figure out how to defend against it and he'll be exposed again like he was in 2010.

Urban Myer is too big a name and caoch to be an offensive coordinator. That is a laughable notion to say the least

Hitler reacts to Jim Tressel resigning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HWubSaqB9U

As I predicted a while back, it's always the cover-up, not the actual infraction.

you predicted? You were the one who said he wouldn't quit!  :D

Pryor drove to the Tressel retirement meeting on a suspended license in a new car. Wow I cannot see how the whole investigation pans out.

And the car had "dealer" tags.     How clueless is Pryor? 

or maybe he doesn't give a rats ass about that corrupt ncaa system...

the entire ncaa, television, sponsors, all profit handsomely off of pryor's name while he gets nothing.

can we do away with this sham of an "amateur" league, and just have a true football development league where the players get paid for their services. why should the multi-billion dollar national football league benefit from a free minor league?

Just how much does full tuition and books cost a year at Ohio State? It is called a free ride for a reason.

yeah that basket weaving class is going to pay off big time for these guys.

sponsors, ncaa, tv stations, all earn millions and millions of dollars of these guys, yet they come back with they get free general studies courses.

serious students go to university to hone their long term professional crafts. the guys from the hood that basically carry entire athletic departments on their backs, should be equally compensated for their services.

if there were an appropriate minor league for football, none of these guys would go get that free basket weaving class, and ncaa would see their revenue streams dry up. this is all about money, and the only ones making large piles of it are benefiting because the actual folks doing the work are not paid.

How many NCAA football players within the BCS have legitimate shots at the NFL anyway? The NCAA is not and should not be considered a launching pad to being a professional athlete.

Also, there are lower level football leagues these guys could play in instead but they don't because that level of football is so watered down most D1 teams would beat them. They chose the NCAA and should live by that choice.

please... the ncaa, specifically division 1 football, has a monopoly on a free development league for the nfl. it is the only gig in town.

the ncaa, its sponsors, school athletic departments, and anyone who doesn't actually play in games, rake in millions and millions of dollars per year off the backs of unpaid athletes. its the definition of a system based on socialism and is anti-american in every conceivable way.

top athletes in these schools based on their individual revenue value for these schools would easily have valuations of $500K per year.

at the very least, the nazi ncaa can let these guys work jobs or sign marketing deals. last time i checked this is a country based on capitalism, and this corrupt ncaa system that is lining the pockets of a select few, with absolutely no labor costs, should be abolished.

hiding under this bullshit of "student" athlete is so freaking annoying too. these guys at the ncaa could give two shits about academics at these universities. the budgets of entire colleges within universities is not even pocket change compared to what athletic departments run on. hell you have increasing tuition, cancelling of entire departments, cut-backs on enrollments, laying off professors, all while athletic departments like texas bring in $100 million in pure revenue a year. texas literally cannot service it's academic responsibilities anymore, while it's athletic department could afford to pay top salaries to not just the head coach, but also the head coach in waiting. at notre dame, charlie weiss still collects a guaranteed salary check from the athletic department for how many millions.

fine, the ncaa has a good product that people are willing to pay top dollar for. no beef with that, but the folks that actually provide the big part of the product should be equitably paid.

TITLE IX...people always forget about that. And thats why college athletes won't be paid!

If you pay any NCAA athelte (ie football players) then you must pay every female athlete as well. And then you get into , well I can make $400 a game at Tulane, but if I go to Pitt I can make $800 a game, and if I go to Alabama I will make $1,000 a game. Now you have a free market society within college sports where you can openly buy players at all costs. Recruiting is dead, its now "FREE AGENCY" among high school kids!

Now since those players are getting paid, they will want to unionize. Hey they are working joe's getting paid, they have the right to a union. A right to make sure their equipment is top shelf, they aren't worked to the bone, and a millions other things. Not to mention workers comp and other things provided to working people. Oh wait, an agent. Hell yeah they can have an agent and will want one too, and whats to prevent college athletes from working a 2nd job or a 3rd job. Or doing autograph shows mid-week and making more money. Hey as long as they are passing their classes, and staying eligable...go for it! They are workers! Work as many jobs as ya want and make a truck load of money while you can. This is America,,,go for it!

Oh and if you DON'T pay close to equal pay to the female vollyball player, female field hockey player, female tennis player.....get ready for the lawsuits to come pouring in. Because that TITLE IX thing and its the year 2011 in the USA and women have equal rights too!  I mean if Northwestern Football goes 2-7 and their players are making $500 a game. And the Northwestern Girls Tennis team goes 9-0 and wins the national championship and they are only making $75 a game, hey wait. That's unfair, they are gonna sue. We put out results and win the other guys are losing, yet they make more money. You have a school that is ANTI-WOMEN and a hundred lawyers lined up ready to bring them to court!

Sound crazy and far fetched....yep. But that is the slippery slope you start when you begin PAYING football and basketball players. And thats why it will NEVER be done! EVER! NEVER! EVER!

The cost of a tuition is miniscule compared to the money that the NCAA rakes in from their college sports programs.

So what?  Pay is based on revenue.  Done.

Wait... are you suggesting a system in which kids choose their college based on things other than the quality of the education they will receive? Well, we obviously can't have that!  Such a system would be an affront to the very concept of higher educ... OH, WAIT.

Seems to work for the minor leagues in baseball.  And for every pro sport for decades upon decades.

I agree.  This is exactly the logic behind the famous lawsuit in 2004 when the players of the WNBA's Seattle Storm, having just won the WNBA championship, sued the team's owners (who also owned the Supersonics) because they made less money than the players of the Sonics (who failed to even make the playoffs).  And the WNBA players won that lawsuit, which is why WNBA players make exactly the same salaries as NBA players today.

TRUST ME, THAT REALLY HAPPENED.

I have never seen that class offered at any college I attended. What about all the players who actually get an education? You make it sound as if every student athelete is taking bonehead classes and having some one else do all the work.

Irrelevant to the discussion about players not being compensated. Schools make their money on all the students and not just off the football team. These players are being compensated with a tuition package in excess of 20k a year ( in the case of Ohio State) Pretty good for an 18 year old kid without many options.
Wanna guess what options an 18 year old kid from the same place has, but has no real atletic ability? I guess they could join the military and make a whole lot less in compensation as a private, but they get free room and board too.

You guys make it sound as if these players are getting hosed by only getting the opportunity to earn a free college degree( which has been proven to substantionally increase their lifetime salary).
I say these kids have it well off compared to the students who are struggling to make tuition by working through schools and/or taking out loans to cover school costs.

do u follow the scores of the guys taking the wunderlic? vince young can barely talk... there certainly exists degrees and classes skewed towards those that can't/won't ever be successful in a traditional degree program. florida state is full of those :) universities aren't some magical place where everyone with a degree earns a good living, and has a good life. plenty of worthless degrees that sit on shelves to collect dust.

what was the famous line at auburn? the coach would hold up his hand with a number 2 and say school is number 1. then say football is second while holding up a number 1.

the only reason why the majority of division 1 college football players are in college is because it is a minor league football pipeline hiding under the guise of academic institutions. to suggest that they should be happy with some irrelevant 20K education, while everyone else earns millions off of their services is asinine.

i went to public schools in miami-dade (were talking homestead, fcat f here not palmetto or school like that), and i graduated with a bs in comp sci at um and a masters in comp eng at utexas. anyone who thinks that football guys that play in these miami-dade public schools (where a lot of college football talent is mined) is academically prepared to succeed in any kind of traditional university degree program is crazy.

florida? shit, kids with 1400 sat scores and perfect grades are being turned away. so some guy that just played football all his life, went to schools where the majority of the population couldn't pass the fcat, is now going to seriously come into uflorida freshmen class and be academically competitive? let's not pretend that these guys are going to schools like florida or texas to become biomedical engineers here folks.

Then they need to do a bit of homework and learn that only a minority of them will ever play football at a higher level.


Do you seriously think that is the kid getting turned away? I dare say that kid gets an acceptance letter and the ones turned away scored more like 850 and had a 2.5 average.

"when was the last time 80,000 people showed up to see a damn chemistry experiment?"

are u following what is happening to states in terms of their fiscal budgets? newsflash, this country is broke... state schools are bearing a major brunt of this, closing entire degree programs, laying off professors, and certainly cutting back on enrollment. with a record number of applicants, at a school like uf, bare minimum is about a 1300. at ut, sat average of incoming freshmen class is at 1250.

you have an environment where almost all of the incoming freshmen are academic superstars, sprinkled in with a handful of football guys who met minimum graduation standards from fcat f schools. the incoming football class is not coming in to become the next great scientific minds of this country. they are coming in to win football games, put 80,000 paying fannies in the seats, sell ncaa licensed merchandise (including video games with likenesses of themselves), sell television contracts, etc...

in terms of football players not going on to the nfl, i certainly agree with that. a majority however are creating millions and millions of revenue for their current schools right now. they should have some piece of that at the very least.

They are effectively being compensated 20k/year (the equivalent of $10/hr) for performing in a sport that generates millions per year for their school.  Do not try to pretend that men's college football and basketball programs are some sort of noble loss-leader that the university subsidized to provide education to the underprivileged.  They are straight up cash cows, and many large universities treat them exactly as such (see: this scandal).

But they do have athletic ability, so your comparison is ridiculous.  It's like asking what sort of money Tom Cruise could have made if he wasn't an actor.

Let me ask you a question:

Upon drafting LeBron James, if the Cleveland Cavaliers offered LeBron a degree from Ohio State in lieu of his first four years of salary, is that a good deal for him?

The purpose of getting a college degree is to make money.  Many of these players give up substantially more money by NOT getting paid than the amount of extra income a degree would generate.

You are also neglecting the fact that a great number of these athletes do not receive degrees, and never intend to in the first place.  The only reason they are in college is because the pro sports have codified the NCAA as their farm system, and they are essentially required to work for peanuts for 1-3 years before they can get fair market value for their services.

Yes, people who have rare, valuable, high-demand skills have it well off compared to people who don't.  This is not news.

^^^ Steps back and gives Spidey a standing-O

Lets see.
1. 10/hr? Would love to see the chart that spells that out clearly, since they are not doing football year round.
2. Many do not get degrees because they hope they will get drafted into the big leagues, even the odds are decidedly against them based on number of athletes in college vs how many can make the different leagues respectively. So the ones that actually realize and get degrees are much better off than the ones who do not and are not drafted, or are out of the league in a year or two with nothing to show for any of it.
3. You ignore the fact that many students have to intern to show off their potential to those in their career field that they would be of value to their organizations. Sports are just a glorified internship to show off your abilities in the hope the professional leagues will hire you. Many internships are free, like college athletics. The only difference is most of the other students do not have a free education.
4. This is why I say getting the opportunity to get a free education and show off your abilities nationwide to possible future employers is a boon that is of huge value above and beyond the cost of the education that is not being measured.

Their yearly "compensation" is roughly equivalent to that of an average worker making $10/hr.  Are they working year round?  No, but they also aren't getting paid overtime, they "work" on holidays without extra pay, and they have all sorts of extra rules that prevent them from profiting from their athletic ability or fame.

So if I understand you correctly, the student athlete who gets a free degree (which is worth, say, $80,000) is "much better off" than the student athlete who plays for one or two years, makes hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars, and then is out of the league.

You do realize that players can use their pro league earnings to finish their degree after they are done playing, right?

...except that you aren't interning for the pro leagues at all!  You're interning for some college that has no intention whatsoever of hiring you.

If I'm trying to show off my abilities to Goldman Sachs, why would I go intern at the local credit union?

Then why do the minor leagues in baseball exist?

Again, you act as if salaried players would somehow be unable to take their earnings and pay for an education like anyone else.  Degrees are not titles of nobility.  They have a dollar value, and money is money.  I'd rather see players have the option to choose to get an education (if they need one), rather than the current system which forces them to work for peanuts so they can continue to enrich colleges that don't really care about their education.

I'll give you that UF is declining, but are we limiting the discussion solely to that school? Places like UCF are expaning their enrollments.

Now that the NCAA has official stripped USC of its 2004 title, what will the punishment for Ohio State be?

Hopefully they'll get the appropriate punishment.  I never thought the NCAA would have enough balls to strip USC of the title.  Not that it matters.  They waited until after the fact to do it so it's kind of pointless.

I wouldn't call it pointless. I think you have to look past the "Punishment" handed down by the NCAA to see what punishment they actually received. Their very popular coach left (I don't buy that it wasn't a result of the investigation), they lost scholarships, and lost players to transfer. In addition, they lost face to the general public (although it will be forgotten in time). There was also more, but I don;t feel like looking it all up.

Ok Phish maybe I should have explained this more.  USC got to play in the championship game and won while they were cheating.  Undefeated Auburn never got that chance.  USC and the Media will still consider USC the 2004 National Champions.  Don't get me wrong I'm happy they got punished and caught.  So they have to give back a trophy and they lose some scholarships.  Ok fine.

To me it's like robbing a bank, you get caught and sent to prison, and when you get out they let you keep the money.