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Title: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: jtex316 on July 28, 2011, 08:56:44 am
You guys need to accept the fact that this duo's tenure as Miami Dolphins is finally over, yet from quite a few of the comments in the other forums, it's doesn't seem like you're ready to part ways with them.

The bottom-line with these guys is that they are just not that productive. I've copied over stats from NFL.com on both of these guys so that you can see their on-paper performance over the years - if you can even call it that. Ronnie Brown (the #2 overall pick in 2005) only rushed for 1,000 yards once in his entire career, and he barely squeezed it out with 1,009 yards five seasons ago. Aside from 2008 (The "Wildcat" Year where he scored 10 TDs), he has not been anywhere near as productive as a #2 overall pick should be in terms of finding the end-zone.

Ricky Williams is Ricky Williams. One strike away from an expulsion from the league, and clearly with his very best days behind him. He just turned 34 years old, which, for running backs, is a dinosaur. His stat line is erratic and he's been doing nothing but taking big shots at the club and the owner of the team.

Ronnie Brown:
2010: 200 Carries, 734 Yards, 5 TD, 3 Fumbles
2009: 147 Carries, 648 Yards, 8 TD, 1 Fumble
2008: 214 Carries, 916 Yards, 10 TD, 1 Fumble
2007: 119 Carries, 602 Yards, 4 TD
2006: 241 Carries, 1,008 Yards, 5 TD, 4 Fumbles
2005: 207 Carries, 907 Yards, 4 TD, 4 Fumbles
Season-ending injuries: 3

Ricky Williams:
2010: 159 Carries, 673 Yards, 2 TD, 4 Fumbles
2009: 241 Carries, 1,121 Yards, 11 TD, 5 Fumbles
2008: 160 Carries, 659 Yards, 4 TD, 5 Fumbles
2007: 6 Carries, 15 Yards, 0 TD, 1 Fumble
2006: DNP
2005: 168 Carries, 743 Yards, 6 TD, 1 Fumble
2004: DNP
2003: 392 Carries, 1,372 Yards, 9 TD, 7 Fumbles
2002: 383 Carries, 1,853 Yards, 16 TD, 7 Fumbles

It's OVER.


Title: Re: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: Brian Fein on July 28, 2011, 10:05:24 am
Bad pot-stirring.  They drafted a RB and traded for Reggie Bush.  I don't think there's any doubt the R&R express no longer stops in Miami.  Plus, I don't think that anyone disagrees with you.

I don't understand why you started your post with "you guys need to accept..."  I think most of us are against bringing them back to begin with...


Title: Re: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: jtex316 on July 28, 2011, 11:37:47 am
I don't understand why you started your post with "you guys need to accept..." 

Because I felt like it.


Title: Re: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: Brian Fein on July 28, 2011, 11:42:27 am
^^ so be it. 

But I think you have a misguided basis for this post that we all love these guys and are delusional to want them back so badly.  You're not breaking any earth-shattering news to us here.


Title: Re: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: jtex316 on July 28, 2011, 12:00:07 pm
^ Let's prove this theory wrong.

Hey Dave, do you love or hate Ricky Williams?


Title: Re: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: Brian Fein on July 28, 2011, 12:32:00 pm
^ Let's prove this theory wrong.

Hey Dave, do you love or hate Ricky Williams?

And the assumption in your "proof" is that Dave = All Dolphins fans.

Feel free to modify the topic of this post to say "Hey Dave, Ricky's not coming back, and he's not that good anyway"


Title: Re: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: Dave Gray on July 28, 2011, 01:25:59 pm
I love Ricky and still think he could have value to this team, depending on contract details.

He's not a premiere back, for sure, and maybe not even a starter, but as a change of pace guy, if the price is right, I'd love to have him back.

I think that we do have to admit that Ronnie was a disappointment, all things considered.


Title: Re: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: Brian Fein on July 28, 2011, 01:53:56 pm
Agreed on Ronnie, but considering the other options at #2 that year, who would you have rather had?

Alex Smith
Cadillac Williams
Braylon Edwards


Title: Re: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: Sunstroke on July 28, 2011, 01:56:55 pm

^^^ Unfortunately, my Niners didn't allow Alex Smith to be available at #2...



Title: Re: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: CF DolFan on July 28, 2011, 03:25:29 pm
Agreed on Ronnie, but considering the other options at #2 that year, who would you have rather had?

Alex Smith
Cadillac Williams
Braylon Edwards
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As much as I hate it now, Ronnie was the Wildcat. Just that one victory alone in Foxboro made him worth it.  Ronnie was a solid player for us. He just wasn't what Ricky was in his prime.


Title: Re: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: Pats2006 on July 28, 2011, 09:52:11 pm
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As much as I hate it now, Ronnie was the Wildcat. Just that one victory alone in Foxboro made him worth it.  Ronnie was a solid player for us. He just wasn't what Ricky was in his prime.

I wouldn't mind seeing what Brown could do for the Pats.. we could use a RB

As for Ricky.. all I can say is burn out!! He is a wack job.. He could have been a great RB but chose pot over football. Remember that time he did (i think it was the show 60 min) that interview out of that hut..  ;D


Title: Re: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: BigDaddyFin on August 06, 2011, 03:17:17 pm
I wouldn't mind seeing what Brown could do for the Pats.. we could use a RB

Good.  He can dance around in your backfield repeatedly and get hurt every year. 


Title: Re: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: masterfins on August 08, 2011, 09:27:17 pm
New Team signings completed.


Title: Re: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on August 11, 2011, 08:18:20 pm
On an interesting note they are playing aganist each other tonight in thier first pre-season games with their new teams. Not sure how much playing time either will get but I just realized it.


Title: Re: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: Landshark on August 20, 2011, 04:35:27 pm
After witnessing Reggie Bush and Daniel Thomas and Lex Hilliard's performances tonight, I'd have to say Ricky and Ronnie will be no more than an afterthought this season.


Title: Re: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: dolfan13 on August 20, 2011, 05:22:16 pm
getting reggie in space is something refreshing to watch.

not sure why he didn't have more a role left with new orleans, but whatever. he looks hungry, and a change of scenery might get him to play closer to the expectations folks had for him coming out of college.

im disappointed though that the dolphins didn't go after a te that could threaten the middle of the field seam. fasano is still eh, and someone like olsen or zach miller would have been great now looking at how this offense is coming together. maybe the new kid clay can fill that role.

oh and thomas better learn how to secure the football fast. fumbling will be the quickest way to get your ass on the bench. that almost fumble at the goalline brought back bad sammy smith memories.


Title: Re: Ricky / Ronnie: It's Over
Post by: Tenshot13 on August 21, 2011, 12:41:36 am
getting reggie in space is something refreshing to watch.

not sure why he didn't have more a role left with new orleans, but whatever. he looks hungry, and a change of scenery might get him to play closer to the expectations folks had for him coming out of college.

im disappointed though that the dolphins didn't go after a te that could threaten the middle of the field seam. fasano is still eh, and someone like olsen or zach miller would have been great now looking at how this offense is coming together. maybe the new kid clay can fill that role.

oh and thomas better learn how to secure the football fast. fumbling will be the quickest way to get your ass on the bench. that almost fumble at the goalline brought back bad sammy smith memories.

I am very happy with Bush.  Vagina jokes aside, it seems like he is trying more here than he did in NO.  First guy at practice last to leave....i really like that. 

I think they didn't want to bring in another TE because they are really high on Clay and didn't want to stunt his development.  I think he will be a great pass catching TE, but maybe not until late this year.

Thomas's fumbles were the only thing I was worried about.  When we drafted him, I knew he ran hard, he has enough athletic ability to be a good pass thrower in case we want to use him in the wildcat or as an HB option.  He is faster than he looks....but he was a fumbling machine in college....that was one of his only faults.  Hey if Tiki Barber and AP taught us anything, fumbling can be coached up.