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What a fucking garbage team they have put together.

^^^ Come out of the closet, you Jets fan...

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As hard as it is, I have to agree with Tepop.  It was a shame to see the defense cramping up and having to limp off the field.  Makes you wonder what the fuck they were doing all camp.  I mean, doesn't this team practice in the heat?

Sparano is an idiot who is in way over his head.  Ross is the even bigger idiot for keeping him around.

We're firing Tony Sparano and Jeff Ireland one game into a season because Benny Sapp sucks?

No.  We're firing them because they've had four seasons to turn this loveboat around and it hasn't been done.  This team quit on Sparano at the end of last season and the defense picked up where they left off tonight.

That hurry up offense at the end was absolute sadness... wtf. Guys walking to the line of scrimmage...

My opinion...you can't evaluate a team based on one game.  You need at least 4-5 make an accurate hypothesis on how the team will pan out for the rest of the year (unless they start out 0-5, then you're pretty much boned for the season).

How about the fact that they are 1-8 in their last 9 home games, and are on a 4 game losing streak and the team looks just as terrible this year as it did last year.  I want Ireland gone too.  His ass shouldn't get a free pass.  He is just as responsible for this team sucking as Sparano is.

LOL.  My god.  Fire everybody because we lost by 2 touchdowns against a team NO ONE was giving us a chance in hell of winning.  A team who is a Superbowl favorite.  A team led by Tom Freakin' Brady, Mr. MVP of the decade.  Right.

And no, we don't look as terrible as last year.  If our defense even half way wakes up we'll be a very surprising force.

So I guess we should be prepared to fire someone after the Patriots game every year, then?

If anyone needs to fear for his job, it should be the strength and conditioning coach.  Someone get Sal Alosi on the line... I hear he's available.

Special teams looked pretty okay.  Offense looked okay.

But yeah, let's throw the lot of them out.

You guys kill me.

Not to self:  Stop coming to this forum.  It's full of trolls.

Can I get a one post reprieve so I can cuss and personally attack at will? I knew what to expect when opening this thing but I would like to see if I can get that one post reprieve.

C'mon don't fall for this.  Tepop's just stirring the pot, and sitting back and laughing.

This. Almost exactly what I've been thinking today

We lost by 14 because the Pats let up being up by 21 with 5:45 left to play. If they wanted to stop us, they could have, and if they wanted to score they could have.  Ireland and Sparano have had 4 years to put together a better team than this.  Are they supposed to be excused from getting blown out every year until Brady and Belichik retire?

Ah yes, because Belichick is known around the league for being a kind and merciful coach who always looks out for his opponents' feelings.

(translation: quit making up ridiculous shit to support your troll spewage)

Then why wasn't it a shutout??

Back to the original point of this message

it's simple..if you're content with mediocrity..you stick with Sparano and Ireland

if not..seek change

Note to everyone -

It takes more than 4 years to build a championship team out of a 1-15 loser squad.

I am sure Jimmy Johnson would agree with you 100%.  Lets see 1989 the Cowboys they go 1-15, then in '92 & '93 win back to back SBs. 

Yes, four years ago the fish went 1-15, three years go they went 11-5 and have regressed since. 

When you are 1-15, you get to play the easiest schedule ever the following season.

The Cowboys are an anomaly.  How many other teams have done that?  The exception, not the rule.

lol.  It shouldn't take this long for Ireland and Sparano to build a winning football team.   Do you honestly believe that Sparano will ever become a great hc like belichik, or do you think he peaks as a serviceable one. What do you think his ceiling is?  In his 4 years, I think he hasn't shown that he will be a great coach, so why waste time with a coach nobody likes, and the fans have turned on.

Only 9 teams have gone 1-15. 

Jets went 1-15 in '96.  Went 12-8 won the division and won a playoff game in '98.

CAR was 1-15 in '01 and NFC champs in '03.
NE was 5-11 in '00 and SB champs in '01.
STL was 4-12 in '98 and one of the best teams in the history of the league in '99.

You talk of a "four-year-plan" as if the team is supposed to make steady, marked improvement every year.  Did the '09 Dolphins improve over the '08 Dolphins in any way?  Did the '10 Dolphins make a significant upgrade from '09?

The four-year-plan is excuse making.  If MIA can go 11-5 the year following a 1-15 season, what possible reason is there for them to get WORSE?  Only two games are determined by division finish, and Miami LOST both of those games in '08, so "they played a harder schedule" is a completely invalid excuse.

My issue with the Trifecta is this:  Since day one we've had problems deciding who should be here and who shouldn't. Why is it so hard for these guys to make good decisions with players?

-Samson Satele would instantly solve our OG problems, but he's tearing it up in Oakland.

-Will Allen cut but Benny Sapp and Nolan Carroll kept.  Now Sapp is cut and we just resigned Allen. Oh and we didn't want to pay Allen or Larry Johnson but now we're on the hook for Sapp's contract

-Working out guys like Tiki Barber, Brian Westbrook, and then signing Johnson, etc. When are we going to try out Jim Brown and Marcus Allen?

-Polite is cut but now we have no one to trust in short yardage situations. Hey, he's a hell of a lot more valuable than guys like Spitler or Trusnik

-We blame the assistants like Paul Pasqualoni, John Bonamego, etc. but the problems still linger to this day. I don't think a Pasqualoni D has been torched as badly as Monday night's debacle

-Guys like Andre Goodman, Matt Roth and Satele are thrown into the wind, but we bring in guys like Gibril Wilson, Earnest Wilford, and Marc Columbo.

-The offensive still isn't set after 4 years, despite millions being invested in it, and the run blocking quality has gone south.

-This team rarely looks good against elite teams, continuing in year four

I'm done with the Parcells and co. regime. This experiment is no better off than it was when it started. Who can honestly say this team is better than it was in 2008?   Yeah, it's week 1.   But this same team got shredded by Atlanta in the 1st quarter for 17 points in the preseason. Ross will clean house at the end of the year and we'll be in for more rebuilding. I'm so looking forward to that again.   ::)

There were so many question personnel moves.  Trading Ted ginn for a 5th.  traded satele and signing smiley, then cutting smiley after a year. pat white. patrick turner.  cutting jason allen. pat mcquistan, marc columbo.  the slew of dallas rejects they brought in the first year like akin ayodele. They didn't build the team, they just brought it back to mediocrity.  They think they are going to get people off the street who are going to be lightning in a bottle, when the people are on the street for a reason.  They just churn and burn the bottom of the roster. Yes, Benny sapp sucked on monday, but they have 5cbs, you are telling me that he is outright terrible and wouldn't make a better 5cb than whatever bum we sign off the street? (will allen excluded) Yes of course matt roth too.  Look at how dez bryant is doing in dallas, but our gm is such a moron he acts like a douche towards him. 

Has there been something new on that front? Or are you just re-churning the pre-draft conversation where Ireland clumsily tried to get some clarity regarding Bryant's "My dad's a pimp" and "my mom worked for my dad" comments?

Nice ramble... Almost exactly like a ramble that was posted on Phinzrage.com two hours earlier:

"Since day one we've had problems deciding who should be here and who shouldn't. Why is it so hard for these guys to make good decisions with players?

-Satele would instantly solve our OG problems, but he's ripping it up in Oakland
-Will Allen cut but Sapp and Carroll kept, now Sapp is cut and we'll beg Will to return. Oh and we didn't want to pay Will or LJ but we end up on the hook for Sapp's contract
-Working out guys like Tiki Barber, Brian Westbrook, LJ, etc. When are we going to try out Jim Brown and Marcus Allen?
-Polite is cut but we have no one to trust in short yardage situations. Hey, he's better than Spitler or Trusnik
-We blame coordinators like Pasqualoni, Bonamego, etc. but the problems still linger to this day. I don't think a Pasqualoni D has been as shredded as Monday night's debacle
-Guys like Andre Goodman, Roth and Satele are thrown into the wind, but we bring in Wilsons, Wilfords, and Columbos.
-The offensive line isn't set after 4 years, despite millions being invested in it
-Team rarely looks good against elite teams, continuing in year 4

I'm done with the Parcells and co. regime. This experiment is no better off than it was when it started. Who can honestly say this team is better than it was in 2008? Yeah, it's week 1. But this same team got shredded by Atlanta in the 1st quarter for 17 points. Ross will clean house at the end of the year and we'll be in for more rebuilding. I'm so looking forward to that again."

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I'll assume that your later post is the original, and the other guy just used his handy-dandy time machine in order to sneak it in a few hours earlier. Curse his time-travelling plagiaristic ass! You should call him out on that, "Professor." Nothing pisses me off more than when people use science fiction technology to support their unethical behavior.

 ::)  ::) and...  ::)

I can only think of one thing worse than a time traveling, plagiarizing forum member. That would be a member who creates multiple personalities in order to play some kind of game.

Yes, but that is only because their 1st round overall pick, 3 time pro-bowl, 2 time all pro, highest paid player in the league starting QB got injured during the 2nd game of 2001 forcing the team to  play a 6th round 2nd year back up QB.  You can't really expect every team to have such luck.   ;D

That is the lamest excuse of an argument you have ever made.

It was the 4 non conference games and the 4 conference games that made a HUGE difference.

In '07 Miami played the NFC East and went 0-4 against Washington, New York, Dallas and Philly who were a combined 40-24 and the AFC Central and went 1-3 against the Steelers, Browns, Bengals and Ravens who were a combined 32-32.  That's a 56.25 winning percentage.

In '08 Miami played the NFC West and went 3-1 against the Cardinals, 49'ers, Seahawks and Rams who were a combined 22-42 and the AFC West and went 4-0 against the Chargers, Broncos, Chiefs and Raiders who were a combined 26-38. That's a 37.5 winning percentage.

How can you even suggest the schedule wasn't easier in '08? You're better than this Spider.

In 2007 Miami went 0-6 against the AFCE, in '08 4-2.  So against the teams they played both years they improved. 

Your response is so filled with holes that I don't know where to start.  I guess I'll just go down the list:

1) You appear to be comparing the '07 team to the '08 team.  I think we all agree the '07 team was worse?  Your example explains away 6 wins, but the '08 team won 10 more games.
2) Every other team in the division played those same teams.  So why did Miami finish 4th place in '07, 1st place in '08, and 3rd place in '09?
3) The primary objection I was making (re: the point that Brian made) was to the notion that MIA did worse in '09 because they played a 4th-place schedule in '08 but a first-place schedule in '09.  Since Miami lost both of their 4th-place-determined games in '08, their previous-year-finish could not have been a factor relative to the rest of the division.

I didn't say the Dolphins weren't better in '08 than they were in '07 I fully believe they were, I ONLY said they played a softer schedule which you said they didn't. You're wrong, it was much softer.

That fact that Miami was better in '08 AND played a softer schedule explains your 3 points above. Not just one or the other. That fact that a guy named Brady got hurt the first game in '08 may have had something to do with it as well.

Relative to the rest of the division, the '08 season was NOT softer than the '09 schedule in any meaningful way.  (I'm not sure why you are even bringing up the '07 season, since we played a fourth-place schedule that year too, and STILL went 1-15.)

I challenge to you prove otherwise.

I'm sorry, I misread your initial comment:

I mistakingly thought you were comparing the '07 season to the '08 season because you specifically mentioned the 1-15 season and 11-5 season. Now that I read it again I see you were in fact comparing the '08 season to the '09 season. You have to admit, your comments are a bit confusing since you mentioned 11-5 and 1-15 in the first sentence and never mention '09 specifically. My bad, I probably should have known you wouldn't make such a weak argument and reread it.

Now that I've read your initial comment correctly, let me address your comments below:

Primarly 2 people. Tom Brady and Chad Pennington. Brady was great in '07 and '09 and missed all of '08 to injury. Pennington wasn't on the Dolphins in '07, played great in '08 and was injured/replaced by an ineffective Chad Henne in '09. Strength of schedule had a little to do with why Miami dropped back down to 3rd in '09, but not really that much.

First, Miami split with NE in '08 and '09, so Brady was not a direct factor.  Second, who signed Pennington?  What was his injury history?  Who drafted Henne?  All of those things sit directly at the feet of Parcells/Ireland.

There is no such thing as a four-year-plan.  If your hypothetical four-year-plan relies on a QB that has never made it through TWO consecutive full seasons, it's obviously broken from the start.

Finally, at the risk of being coarse, let me repeat myself: Miami's strength of schedule (re: 4th- vs. 1st-place schedule) had --->ZERO<--- to do with their fall from 1st in the division in '08 to 3rd in the division in '09.  It was not a small or minimal or minor impact:  it was LITERALLY NOTHING.

'08 Dolphins: 4-2 in division play
'09 Dolphins: 4-2 in division play

'08 Dolphins: 0-2 vs. finish-determined-opponents
'09 Dolphins: 0-2 vs. finish-determined-opponents

The rest of Miami's opponents were identical to that of their divisional foes.

P.S. At most, Brady would explain a drop from 1st to 2nd, not 1st to 3rd.

I don't get people's extremes.  One one side we have the chicken-littles who pretty much have a Superbowl or bust mentality (given a decade of inconsistency and terrible personnel / front office decisions) and on the other you have haters who really feel the Dolphins are one of the worst teams in the NFL.  SI's rankings have us at 24th; under the Chiefs, Bills even the COLTS!!!  WTF?

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Mr. Sunstroke, the unabashed call-out king, you crack me up. 

BTW - WHOEVER wrote that rant, Goodman sucked major ass.  Mentioning him with Roth and Satele must be pretty insulting.

I checked that other site out and where that original post came from and it didn't take more than 5 minutes to see some TDMMC cast-offs there.  No disrespect to their site but...no thanks.  ;D

What exactly is your point? That 14 of the 16 teams that every team plays a year is identical to their divisional counterparts? Yes, I agree.

But you seem to be inferring from that the only thing that changes from year to year that explains your rise or fall in the standings is your team's relative strength. That's flat out false.

1) Just because you play the same schedule as your divisional opponents, that does not mean that you match up with those teams the same way that your divisional opponents do.
2) Health has a LOT to do with it and not just how many games you miss, but which games you miss and not just necessarily the games you miss, but how many games you are 100% healthy as opposed to say maybe 85% healthy etc.
3) When you play them also factors into it because very few teams start, end and play the entire season completely the same. Almost all teams go through ups and downs where they are either playing well or poorly.
4) The weather can effect how games are played and how much or little that effects the way the team plays.
5) Whether you play the team at home or away may change things, some teams are better at home and some are better away and then you have to take into account flying from east coast to west coast etc.
6) What day you play them can make a difference as players offen perform differently on Thanskiving day or Monday night then they do on Sunday afternoon.
7) A lucky bounce can change the outcome of a game.
8 ) The officiating crew you get can change the way a game is played.

There are litterally a million things that effect every game. Just because 2 teams play the same opponents, that does not mean they play the same schedule.

Nothing is exactly the same from 1 year to the next. Nothing. To suggest that your schedule has absolutely nothing to do with how your team ends up in the standings is short sided to say the least.

Your entire post would be precisely as applicable if Miami (and the rest of the league) played the exact same schedule in '09 as they did in '08.

When you reach that far to invalidate a year-to-year comparison, you have basically repudiated the entire concept of comparing teams from one year to the next.

In my opinion what I repudiated is the notion that simply looking at the final standings from 1 year to the next is all that is required to determine a teams relative ability in that year. There are some who subscribe to that notion. I'm not one of them.

I somewhat agree with you, but only to the extent that looking at a team's record/finish (period) is a valid method of determining that team's relative ability in that year.  You can make the argument that the '08 team wasn't as good as their record, and the '09 and '10 teams were better than their record, but at the end of the day, the only team metric that counts is winning.

A former dolphins VP was fond of a similar saying.