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nolan carroll.  hot garbage.

The defensive co-ordinator, whom had since the schedule was released to prepare for this game, to have your DT unit give up 600+ total yards of offense and the fifth most passing yards all time at home on MNF.

I don't mean to sound like tepop but that performance could warrant firing the DT co-ordinator.

^^^ You can count the number of positive things you and Tepop have ever said about the Dolphins on the thumbs of a quadriplegic...

Shame of the game goes to anyone who focuses on the defensive issues today instead of the fact that we got 475 yards out of Chad Henne (416 passing, 59 rushing), without a single turnover (except the ricochet pick on the last-play desperation heave).

I have to give it to Mike Nolan as well.  This defense was not ready.  Sad to say, they still can't cover a pass catching tight end.  New England just exposed this vaunted defense on national TV.  Now the entire NFL will see this and gameplan accordingly.

Nolan Carroll had a rough night as did the rest of the defense.  However there are two SOTG gameballs to hand out.

Benny Sapp for getting beaten on 3 touchdowns, bouncing off a guy at the five yardline instead of tackling him, and getting burned repeatedly by a tight end.  Insert "Average Unnamed NFL Nickelback" in Sapp's place and we're probably in overtime.

Brian Daboll for having no semblance of a running game.  I realize when we got behind we had to throw, but 4th and goal from the 1 foot line and we throw a fade?  And what was that shit with Soliai in the backfield and he runs to the line and then pass blocks nobody? I'm pretty sure Chad Henne was our rushing yards leader tonight.

I don't understand why nfl teams throw so much from the 1 yard line.  like the cowboys game last night, they run on first down, then go shotgun and almost throw a pick 6, the shotgun again and romo scrambles forward and fumbles.  like wtf.

How many plays did sapp blow vs. carroll.  i thought most of them were carroll (28), I know the welker one was sapp.  Sean smith still sucks too. and vontae talked a big game and was garbage.

Sapp got burned on the Welker TD, He got burned repeatedly by Gronkowski in the first half, they threw another touchdown over him and when Hernandez caught the ball at the 5 it was Sapp who bounced off him instead of actually trying to tackle him.

Sapp is a pile of ashes right now somewhere around the 30 yard line where he fell trying to chase Wes Welker.
It's one thing when a guy gets beat, but you're nickel corner and you can't cover a tight end?  And it wasn't like they were lobs over his head and Gronkowski beat him with his height advantage.  He just fucking ran by him on a number of crossing routes.

Carroll had a run of bad plays on one series against Deion Branch and gave up a TD. 

 

Carroll and Sapp were garbage.  I've always disliked Sapp, but Carroll is creeping up on him as my most hated player on this team.

Our DBs as a whole sucked major ass tonight.  Smith, Davis, Sapp and especially Carrol.  They looked horrendous.  Granted, I understand it was against Tom Freakin' Brady but damn, 517 yards is unacceptable.  Our DBs could NOT COVER THEIR TEs.  Pretty pathetic no matter who their QB is if you ask me.  

How about the whole defense?

My vote is for the strength and conditioning coach.

You can't put this on Mike Nolan.  He can draw up the defense, but when your players are limping around the field like they've been shot and your best DB is on the sideline with cramps, what is he supposed to do, suit up and get out there?

Mike Nolan isn't the one that made the decision to keep 6 WRs and 5 TEs.  He is not responsible for the garbage depth we have at DB, nor is he (primarily) responsible for them being completely out of shape.

I'm with ya on a few things here, BigDaddy (damn, that sounds weird callin' you that.   :D ).  First of all, I thought Sapp was even more worthless than Carroll was, though both of their *performances* were pretty heinous either way...I'd just say that Sapp's was more consistently heinous, aside from that one heads-up play he made early in the 3rd quarter that of course led to Odrick's INT.  idk, maybe Sapp was just out there more than Carroll since he's supposed to be our nickel corner, but either way, he just got routinely toasted tonight. 

Like you, I was also wondering about some of those questionable/terrible goal line plays, like when Soliai was in there (why?  Seriously, what did he offer on that play besides being a big fatty?  He didn't even really try to block anybody) as well as the 4th and goal fade.  My buddy and I were both screamin' about that one, and he's not even a Dolphins fan. 


You're right here, too, Tepop.  I think there's plenty of blame to go 'round in the secondary for this one, though I would say that Sapp and Carroll were particularly bad offenders.  I'm actually not sure how bad Smith was just because I felt like when he started giving up plays, it was after I first noticed him hurting/cramping up or whatever, but maybe I just didn't realize it was him earlier in the game if/when it was.  Vontae was particularly disappointing after all that talk he'd been doing.  He didn't seem to be doing jack shit out there, either.  Like I said, plenty of blame to go around!


And finally.....This.  Sapp's definitely one of my least faves on the team right now, if not my least fave.  That still pisses me off that we traded him for Camarillo (because one of my other "least faves", even if he did have a TD for us today, is Brian Hartline, and I wish we had Camarillo still just to bench Hartline for him)...really bad.  As for Carroll, I had high hopes for him, and while it's still early in the young guy's career, it seems like when he gets put out there, he doesn't make many positive plays and mostly has negative ones if he's noticed. 

I mean, it's pretty bad when I'm watching it with a *neutral* fan (he's a Bengals fan, not a 'Phins fan, but like any self-respecting human being, he despises the Patriots  :) ), and of course he's gonna try to at least be nice about the Dolphins around me, and even he's saying (not just agreeing, but stating it of his own accord) that "#27 and #28's asses need to be sitting on the bench".  :-\ 

*sigh* All of this negativity just to say--at least our offense looked good other than a few mediocre offensive linemen!   ;D

In a normal year, I'd second this, but with the lockout, the coaches had to trust in the players to do their own conditioning. Our D was sucking wind like mad out there... clearly, they flunked the trust test.

We brought in Burnett in part to deal with tight ends... he got blown away the few times he was in coverage. Carroll and Sapp were equally useless when they got the chance. However...

My shame of the game goes to...

The D-line

They got manhandled all day. The O-line wasn't much better, but Brady consistently had way too much time in the pocket.

HM goes to Cameron Wake, who had rookie Nate Solder 1-on-1. I think I saw Wake win that match up once or twice ALL GAME. That's just not good enough.

This is the shame of the game thread.  A weekly feature even when the Dolphins win, which they did not.  Slamming the defense in the Game Balls vs NEP would be inappropriate.  Something Dolphster did not Tepop.  It should also be noted that Tepop started the game ball thread and complemented Henne in it.

In an game in which you LOSE, there are obviously things that went bad.  You are completely off base to call Tepop to task for pointing out the weakness of the Dolphins in a lose in a thread dedicated to pointing out the weaknesses of the Dolphins.   

Carroll and Sapp were both running after the Shame of the Game Award.  However, Carroll could never catch up to it.  Sapp caught up to it, but simply ran into it and bounced off of it instead of wrapping his arms around it.

I never know when to take you seriously any more...and you obviously are just as oblivious in regards to when I'm joking or being serious. I sure do appreciate your input though! ;D

I had to look his name up Darren Krein. The way the Dolphins were cramping it is apparent that he did not do his job in forcing these guys to hydrate through the course of the day. You would think this should have happened to the Patriots, but our defense was gassed and cramping and they have experience playing in South FL. There are no excuses for that.

In a normal year I  would agree Darren Krein 100%.  NE was clearly in better physical condition than the Dolphins. 

This year Krein only is part of it. The players that were gassed are to be blamed too.  The true professionals worked out during the off season while the labor negotiations were going on.  The bums did not. 

The entire team

What the hell is "hot" garbage?

Anyway, I think you guys may be getting this wrong a bit.  Yes Sapp and Carroll got eaten up out there, but I think the bigger issue was Rashad Jones.  He played up all game but didn't support either one of those guys.  He played like an absolute moron out there.  He is the last line of defense and he is coming up in underneath support on nearly every play.  Look at all the big plays and you will see him out of position.

Get your head straight Jones!  Hope we get Clemons back soon, he may not catch worth a damn but he knows his role and where to be.

It wasn't just conditioning. It was severe dehydration. How long was Davis out of the game for cramps? Smith was rendered useless for a couple plays as well. Even if he gets off the hook for offseason conditioning being shut down, he still wasn't able to field the full team on the field in an environment that is supposed to be our X factor against other teams. If this had been a game at 1PM like several people here crave for, we would have had an even bigger problem.

You've never smelled garbage after it is allowed to sit and stew in the hot sunlight? I'll just tell you, it stinks.

Gotcha, wasn't really picking up on the extra stinky element.

Yeah, Sapp & Carroll were exploited last night, but the real Shame goes to the D-Line and linebackers that were non-existant the whole game.  No Pressure on Brady.  Unable to stop that pip squeek running back.  C'mon, they were terrible.  Hard for the corners to cover receivers when Brady has 8 seconds to sit there and draw straws on who he wants to throw to on each play.  Then the safety's gotta come up and make the tacles on the RB's because the line and linebackers were so in-effective.

Chad Henne. He played so well, the entire defense forgot what they were supposed to do. Dammit Henne!!!

;)

Seriously, either Sapp or Carroll.

Oh please. Like you couldn't have watched practically every one of New Englands games last year and saw the exact same thing. Nobody in the NFL can apparently cover pass catching tight ends...or perhaps it's just when Tom Brady is throwing to NE's TE's. Nah, that couldn't be it.

My shame goes to Davis. Isn't he the one bragging about how good he and Smith were and he didn't even finish the game because of cramps? Cramps? Are you freaking kidding me?That's like a Florida person not knowing it's going to be hot and humid in the summer. I think he and Smith wimped out.

The reason that Mike Nolan gets the SOTG here, and why it could come with a firing as well, is because of what happened the last time the Patriots played at Miami. Didn't the special teams coach get fired on the same premise? (That his unit was unimaginably awful for one game)? Why would Nolan get any extra slack here - in a year where there's no more time to "wait and see how it works out" because if they don't start winning, they're all gone.

Nolan gets slack because his game plan wasn't the issue; his players were out-of-shape and could barely stay on the field.  He is not the conditioning coach, nor is he the GM... he cooks with the groceries he is given.

Mike Nolan gets slack because (1) he's a good coach and (2) its the first game.  The Dolphins special teams had been crap for at least 4-5 games last season before that guy got fired.

In 4 weeks, if the defense still looks this bad, I will agree with you.

Yeah I simply can not pick between these two assbags so my vote goes to Sapp and Carroll.....I was cursing their names all night long.

I was also not impressed with our pass rush at all last night or our linebackers. Even Dansby looked bad last night and he is usually pretty solid.

The run on 2 and 23 really pissed me off as well and the fact that we could not figure out how to gain one yard was pretty shitty too.

We also tried to force Reggie Bush the ball and expected him to do something big with it in the first half it seemed he was the entire focus of the offense.

Shame goes to the ENTIRE DEFENSE

no brainer ::) ::)

I had a rare oppurtunity to watch this game, having recorded it, last night. (I get all MNF games on ESPN)

Whilst I have no issues with the critisism aimed at the secondary, the shame of the game should go to whoever coaches tackling.

The number of times a Dolphins player flew into the ball carrier and didn't wrap them up, or blew stright bast because they didn't break down and get their head up. Simple short catches were taken an extra 5-6 yards and runs where contact was made after barely a yard went for a 1st down because the players were too busy looking for a hit rather than a tackle.

^^^Yeah I was kind of wondering whether Belichek sprayed his players with cooking oil because they ran right through Dolphins "tacklers" with ease.

LMAO at whoever mentioned Cam Wake. Solder is a 6'8" 330 pound monster with long arms and sick strength, who also only had to play mostly in the second half, so he had quite a bit more gas in his tank than Wake. Cam still got a sack and a few hurries. Every time he doesn't get three sacks is someone going to give him a SOTG?? Get real. -EK

Benny Sapp.  Played like crap.  Got cut after the game.