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Title: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: Dave Gray on December 08, 2011, 11:00:19 pm
They were going to pick him up with the departure of Gasol and Odom.  ...then, speculation seems to be Andrew Bynum to Orlando for Dwight Howard, creating a Big 3 in L.A. of Kobe, Dwight Howard, and CP3.

However, some owners around the league (since the league owns the Hornets) are throwing a fit, so the trade is on hold.

Do you think it's fair for the league to make deals like this for a team that has no ownership?  ...and does it set off any red flags that they're dealing the best pointguard in the league to the league's most popular franchise?


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: Cathal on December 09, 2011, 08:59:58 am
I think this deal just got squashed by the NBA's owners and David Stern.


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: Phishfan on December 09, 2011, 09:06:27 am
I think the cancelling of this trade is a travesty. First, the league itself didn't broker the deal. The Hornets have a front office staff and their job is to conduct business as usual while they look for a new owner. That is who set this deal up. Second, the league had no objections to Chris Paul being traded until they saw it was to the Lakers. I think David Stern is a power hungry fool and is quickly ruining the NBA. He might be the worst commissioner in sports.


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: Landshark on December 09, 2011, 09:11:35 am
I think the cancelling of this trade is a travesty. First, the league itself didn't broker the deal. The Hornets have a front office staff and their job is to conduct business as usual while they look for a new owner. That is who set this deal up. Second, the league had no objections to Chris Paul being traded until they saw it was to the Lakers. I think David Stern is a power hungry fool and is quickly ruining the NBA. He might be the worst commissioner in sports.

Might be?  He flat out is. 


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: EKnight on December 09, 2011, 09:18:13 am
I'm NOT in any way debating or taking a stance on Stern, but I have read conflicting reports. Did he veto the trade "because he could," or did he veto it because Cavs owner Dan Gilbert and several other owners demanded it be put to a vote by the rest of owners- in which case it would have been vetoed anyway. Wasn't he, in essense, just saving an extra step? -EK


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: Cathal on December 09, 2011, 09:51:13 am
From what I'm reading, the NBA owners in small markets were up in arms about this whole thing and wanted David Stern to put it to a vote of NBA owners. Based on that, David Stern then terminated the deal. Not his fault most of the owners wanted it terminated.


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: Phishfan on December 09, 2011, 10:11:15 am
I don't think a vote was mandatory though. The NBA had informed everyone that New Orleans was free to deal Chris Paul. When a deal was reached that made some ( this is the key phrase here because I haven't seen anywhere that a vote would have definitely nullified this trade) owners angry, they contacted Stern. Stern then single handedly made the decision.


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: EKnight on December 09, 2011, 10:15:08 am
OK gotcha.-EK


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: masterfins on December 09, 2011, 02:29:01 pm
I believe it was Gilbert who told Stern "you might as well rename 25 teams the Washington Generals."  I don't like Stern cancelling the trade, but I also don't like how all the talent is pooling among a few teams.


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: Dave Gray on December 09, 2011, 02:45:10 pm
My only concern is that "leadership" might have not been doing what is best for the Hornets, but what is best for the pockets of the NBA.


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: Phishfan on December 09, 2011, 04:51:25 pm
It definitely isn't the best option for NO I don't think. Now any trade of Paul cannot happen or it is going to look rigged (I'm not even sure Stern would care if it did appear that way though). I don't see Paul changing his mind and staying there, so there are not going to get anything for their star player when they could have had three very good contributors added to their squad.


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on December 11, 2011, 03:13:18 am
The Hornets would've gotten as much value for Paul as humanly possible in this trade. He is a superstar who will be leaving in 6 months, how much could he be worth via trade? The deal was totally fair, but Stern caved to a bunch of stupid owners who overpaid for their franchises.


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on December 12, 2011, 03:01:19 pm
In seeing what the Clippers have offered it is not near as much talent wise as they would have received in the LA/Houston deal. If they approve this deal with the Clippers it just proves this move was to keep Paul off of the Lakers. What a horrible decision Stern and the league have made here. The NBA continues to push me away as a fan.


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: bsmooth on December 12, 2011, 06:29:14 pm
From what I'm reading, the NBA owners in small markets were up in arms about this whole thing and wanted David Stern to put it to a vote of NBA owners. Based on that, David Stern then terminated the deal. Not his fault most of the owners wanted it terminated.

Actually it has only been confirmed that Cuban and Gilbert were the biggest complainers so far.


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: Spider-Dan on December 12, 2011, 08:53:11 pm
If they approve this deal with the Clippers it just proves this move was to keep Paul off of the Lakers.
So what?  This is a competitive league; if NO, a Western Conference team, has the option to trade Paul to a team that would potentially dominate their conference, or to a team that didn't even make the playoffs last year, they should gravitate to the latter.  And with NO currently being owned by the league (read: the other owners), they all have a vested interest in NOT creating a new juggernaut.

If Stern had blocked a trade of Howard to the Lakers, that would be one thing.  But this team was owned by the owners as a group... and if they wanted to take a vote as to whether this trade should go through, that should be their right.

Stern just avoided the embarrassment of such a vote by nixing the deal.


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: Phishfan on December 13, 2011, 10:35:48 am
So what?  This is a competitive league; if NO, a Western Conference team, has the option to trade Paul to a team that would potentially dominate their conference, or to a team that didn't even make the playoffs last year, they should gravitate to the latter.  And with NO currently being owned by the league (read: the other owners), they all have a vested interest in NOT creating a new juggernaut.

If Stern had blocked a trade of Howard to the Lakers, that would be one thing.  But this team was owned by the owners as a group... and if they wanted to take a vote as to whether this trade should go through, that should be their right.

Stern just avoided the embarrassment of such a vote by nixing the deal.

Here is the rub. The ownership told the GM that he was free to make a trade. He wasn't told it would have to be voted on, he wasn't told it was subject to approval. He was told he could do his job. He did it in a manner that had virtually all of the NBA analysts I saw complimenting him for getting the better end of the deal. This decision had nothing to do with the best interests of New Orleans and was solely based on the best interests of the owners of the other franchises. I'm not sure if this could be considered collusion but I feel it may be just short. New Orleans is not going to get a thing in return for Chris Paul now. Who in their right mind would even consider buying this franchise at this point? They have basically been cast into the wastelands.

Also, it is conjecture the vote would have cancelled the trade anyway. All I've heard are the names Cuban & Gilbert. That is a long way from winning a vote.


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: Spider-Dan on December 14, 2011, 12:58:18 am
Ostensibly, one of the reasons for the recently-ended lockout was the phenomenon of small-market teams drafting big-name players, only to see them bolt for the big city after their first contract is up.  Supposedly, this has been discouraged by the new salary structure... but we won't see that if players are always traded.

So if Paul wants to take a discount to play for LAL, let him.  You can't stop a player from taking less money to go where he wants... but you can force him to take less money to do it.


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: Phishfan on December 14, 2011, 10:04:34 am
If their goal is to force him into less money, then why were the small market team crying because the move was going to get the Lakers out of the Luxury tax? These small market owners are crybabies. They don't want to be outbid by larger market teams, yet they also don't want the larger market teams moving out of the luxury tax. I've got some advice. Run your team better and quit ruining the league.


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: bsmooth on December 15, 2011, 01:47:27 am
So now the trade is approved after forcing the Clippers to give up Gordon on top of the players previously offered and draft picks.
So Stern rapes one small team to help another.


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: Phishfan on December 15, 2011, 10:04:11 am
I've never considered the Clippers a small team. They are just a bad team playing second fiddle in a big market.


Title: Re: Chris Paul to the Lakers?
Post by: bsmooth on December 15, 2011, 11:14:44 pm
I've never considered the Clippers a small team. They are just a bad team playing second fiddle in a big market.

They are run like a small team.