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Title: #1 area of need to address
Post by: Dave Gray on January 02, 2012, 10:40:34 am
For me: Columbo

That guy is just not getting it done.  He's a liability on both passes and runs.  If you overpay to fix that position and not just fill the position with someone slightly better, but considerably better, it should make a big difference. 


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: BigDaddyFin on January 02, 2012, 10:56:41 am
Defensive Back.  In this division you now have to have at least 5 guys who can play man-to-man instead of the traditional getting by with two or three.  Otherwise those two losses to New England this year are going to be permanent.



Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: MikeO on January 02, 2012, 11:07:29 am
For me: Columbo

That guy is just not getting it done.  He's a liability on both passes and runs.  If you overpay to fix that position and not just fill the position with someone slightly better, but considerably better, it should make a big difference. 

I think we can plug Jon Jerry in Colombo's spot and be fine. Jerry played very well the 2nd half of the year at a couple spots, LT being one of them when Long went out. If Jerry can hold the fort at LT, he can damn sure play RT.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: EKnight on January 02, 2012, 11:24:33 am
Secondary and for God's sake ANYONE on D who can cover a tight end. Miami hasn't been able to keep a tight end in check for years now, and even with the upgrades of Dansby and Burnett, facing the Pats duo twice a year is murder. The D was the 6th worst in the league against TE's gaining yards. -EK


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: MikeO on January 02, 2012, 11:27:08 am
The #1 area is QB.

After that, its either pass rusher or CB. Misi and Sean Smith are backups at best.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: dolfan13 on January 02, 2012, 11:34:40 am
this team has a lot of holes...

amazing to me that now entering year 5 of this regime, this team is so thin, and has so many holes to plug.

they don't have a 2nd receiver (assuming you look at marshall as a #1), the secondary could use some help, could use another edge pass rusher, o line is still not all set (mind boggling), could be looking for a nose tackle, need another pass catching tight end, all while needing to upgrade qb.

i just don't see it being wise in giving away picks to move up to get rg3 at this point. stay put at #9 (or #8), and pick best available out of wr/cb/pass rusher


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: MikeO on January 02, 2012, 11:41:10 am

they don't have a 2nd receiver (assuming you look at marshall as a #1), the secondary could use some help, could use another edge pass rusher, o line is still not all set (mind boggling), could be looking for a nose tackle, need another pass catching tight end, all while needing to upgrade qb.


I don't think the o-line is as bad as thought by many. It's not perfect but its not awful either. Pouncey was good. Long if/when healthy is very good. Neither of them are probably going anywhere its safe to say. Jon Jerry played very well this year in the 2nd half of the season and filling in for Long. I think he answers our void at RT. Incognitio was fine at LG. So aside from RG (which you might keep Carey or fill it with Garner if healthy). I'm not sure our o-line is a huge mess.

I mean Reggie rushed for 1,000 behind a line with Colombo, take him out and upgrade that spot alone and you upgraded the unit. Of course if you can upgrade do it, but I don't think its a huge need or at the top of the list. QB, CB, and OLB is


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: Brian Fein on January 02, 2012, 12:45:31 pm
i have grown tired of sean smith. he is not very good in coverage on playing the ball. he can run with most receivers, but stands and watches when the ball gets there and hopes he drops it. then waves his arms incomplete like he made a play. i wouldnt have a problem replacing him with a decent starting corner.

i also think the right side of the o line needs to be addressed. and maybe some depth at rb later in the draft and a free safety.

all told, unless a qb falls into your lap on draft day, dont be surprised if you get more moore next year.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: MikeO on January 02, 2012, 12:48:45 pm
i have grown tired of sean smith. he is not very good in coverage on playing the ball. he can run with most receivers, but stands and watches when the ball gets there and hopes he drops it. then waves his arms incomplete like he made a play. i wouldnt have a problem replacing him with a decent starting corner.

i also think the right side of the o line needs to be addressed. and maybe some depth at rb later in the draft and a free safety.

all told, unless a qb falls into your lap on draft day, dont be surprised if you get more moore next year.


If we don't trade up, then you go after Flynn. If they can't land him, then next season will have similar results to this season with Moore at QB.

I don't see RB as an issue at all next year. Bush/Thomas will be a fine duo especially with Bush entering a contract year. He is running for $$$ next year.

For 2 years I have been killing Sean Smith and he hasnt improved much. Hands of stone as you said he watches plays instead of making them. They ought to charge him an admission. As a 3rd or 4th CB he is fine. As a starter he is way out of his league


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: fyo on January 02, 2012, 03:52:18 pm
Reggie rushed for 1,000 behind a line with Colombo

I get what you're saying, but that's making light of Colombo's ineptitude, imho. Top-10 rushing in any direction but right tackle and right end. 31st in those two directions. That's an astounding difference.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: Pappy13 on January 02, 2012, 04:37:21 pm
I think we can plug Jon Jerry in Colombo's spot and be fine. Jerry played very well the 2nd half of the year at a couple spots, LT being one of them when Long went out. If Jerry can hold the fort at LT, he can damn sure play RT.
Then why wasn't he starting in place of Columbo prior to Long being hurt? Obviously the coaching staff didn't agree with you.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: Dolphin-UK on January 02, 2012, 05:42:12 pm
Replace Columbo and then sort the secondary, get some depth at both positions.

I think that while Qb is clearly a need the worst thing is to reach or overpay for someone like Flynn when let's face it i could throw a few td's at Qb for green bay, potentially another Cassell.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: MikeO on January 02, 2012, 06:35:44 pm
Then why wasn't he starting in place of Columbo prior to Long being hurt? Obviously the coaching staff didn't agree with you.

Because he was working extra time with Sparano after practice all season and they felt he wasn't ready till about mid-November. By then the season was over and they wanted Jerry as a "swing" back-up at both Guard and Tackle. And he was getting playing time when Long as healthy at Guard and Tackle at times to give guys a breather for a series here or there.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: Pappy13 on January 02, 2012, 10:57:21 pm
Because he was working extra time with Sparano after practice all season and they felt he wasn't ready till about mid-November. By then the season was over and they wanted Jerry as a "swing" back-up at both Guard and Tackle. And he was getting playing time when Long as healthy at Guard and Tackle at times to give guys a breather for a series here or there.
So he couldn't beat out potentially the worst RT in the league? High praise.

I can't believe that you of all people still believe in this guy. He's a bust.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: MikeO on January 02, 2012, 11:02:00 pm
So he couldn't beat out potentially the worst RT in the league? High praise.

I can't believe that you of all people still believe in this guy. He's a bust.

It takes longer with some guys, from all reports the light bulb went off with him in mid to late November. We stayed with him this long might as well stick it out. He is still very young


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: Pappy13 on January 02, 2012, 11:03:33 pm
It takes longer with some guys, from all reports the light bulb went off with him in mid to late November. We stayed with him this long might as well stick it out. He is still very young
Oh I'm not saying we should give up on him just yet because he is young, but I don't believe he's ever gonna pan out. He *might* be better than Colombo, but that's not saying much.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: MikeO on January 02, 2012, 11:11:33 pm
Oh I'm not saying we should give up on him just yet because he is young, but I don't believe he's ever gonna pan out. He *might* be better than Colombo, but that's not saying much.

He filled in for Long at a tougher position and the Fins didn't miss a beat for 2 games. Not saying he is a pro bowl player but can he start at RT in this league and not be a weak link and be a solid contributor, probably.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: Pappy13 on January 02, 2012, 11:33:02 pm
He filled in for Long at a tougher position and the Fins didn't miss a beat for 2 games. Not saying he is a pro bowl player but can he start at RT in this league and not be a weak link and be a solid contributor, probably.
The Jets don't have a stong pass rusher on that side and the Patriots were without Andre Carter. Ninkovich still had a sack although I'm not sure if that came against Jerry or not.  He was fortunate to go up against some weaker competition.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: MikeO on January 02, 2012, 11:35:00 pm
The Jets don't have a stong pass rusher on that side and the Patriots were without Andre Carter. Ninkovich still had a sack although I'm not sure if that came against Jerry or not.  He was fortunate to go up against some weaker competition.

Shocked you were going to say that. Can't even give the guy credit for playing well in 2 games. Knew that was coming. Even the smallest pat on the back you can't even give it.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: masterfins on January 03, 2012, 03:51:55 pm
I have to agree with MikeO, Jerry did a good job filling in for Long.  Back to the topic, after QB obviously, the #1 area of need is ....CB.  Need a shut down corner to kill those end of the game drives, a couple interceptions would be nice also.  HM to TE, I like Fasano, but need more offensive production from the position.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: tubba marxxx on January 03, 2012, 04:39:41 pm
1)  QB - duh?

2)  #2 CB opposite Vontae Davis.  Ever see "Beer League"?  I feel like Sean Smith might be a lefty. 

3)  Right Side of the Offensive Line.  Vernon Carey sure sounds like he's as good as gone, and Colombo sucks (as we all know)

4)  Pass Rusher to compliment Wake.  Koa Misi is a good player, just not getting enough from him. 

5)  Consistency/Future from the TE position.  I have the biggest love/hate relationship with Fasano.  Not sure of his contract situation, but I think it's up?  Clay has shown signs of massive potential finishing out the season.  If there's a "stud" T.E. in free agency or we could use a draft pick on, do it.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: DZA on January 03, 2012, 06:09:07 pm

QB QB QB QB QB  ??? ??? ???


Daniel Thomas  ::) might be a bust Reggie wont be able to do it on his own for long

Sean Smith ::) I think he should be moved to Safety

Offensive line ::)  Columbo suxed

Brandon Marshall  ::) needs some stickum to his hands

Coaching  - Gm - Owner - front Office ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) Nuff said


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: Doc-phin on January 03, 2012, 07:35:19 pm
I can't believe I am going to say this but I think Matt Moore is sufficient at QB and we can develop someone behind him.  So my number one need is Free Safety, second is QB (really depends on who we can actually get), third is a pass rusher opposite Wake, fourth is ILB depth, if we can sneak a legit tight end I might put that higher on the list but Clay can do for another year.

I think Murtha, Jerry, or Carey can play RT.  Jerry or Garner can play RG if Carey goes back outside.  So RT isn't necessarily a need, but Columbo has got to go.  The rest of the O-line is ok as long as the backups are ready to play THE DAY THEY ARE NEEDED (not two games later).

D-line is good, running back is good, the corners developed into a good unit once Will Allen got used to the nickel corner and Carrol decided he didn't want to get embarrassed again.  I think we could use someone a bit better than Hartline across from Marshal, but we can live with him and Bess and try to get Gates in the mix with a proper offseason.

OUR FREE SAFETIES SUCK!  Both of them are plenty athletic, but they are absolute morons!  We really need to look for a replacement for Bell soon, but I can handle Jones backing him up for now.  We need a free safety this year and strong safety next year.  Next year, strong safety will probably be number one or two on the priority list.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: tubba marxxx on January 03, 2012, 07:54:16 pm

Sean Smith ::) I think he should be moved to Safety



This is what I was referring to.  In the movie "Beer League"  there was a dude striking out all the time in slow pitch softball.  Artie Lang's character proclaims "dude, you might be a lefty." 

I think Sean Smith is a Safety playing CB.  He should be moved to FS.  Just my opinion though.  Glad to see I'm not alone in that thought.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: Thundergod on January 03, 2012, 09:00:27 pm
QB. It's been QB for a while now. I hope the search ends soon.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 04, 2012, 03:59:26 pm
If I recall, Sean Smith was a FS at Utah, where he was and absolute stud.  I've always thought he should be playing FS and not CB.




Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: Phishfan on January 04, 2012, 04:40:03 pm
I don't remember him in college but remember then calling him a corner from the day he was drafted. Looking at his bio, I don't believe he ever played safety.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: Sunstroke on January 04, 2012, 07:19:28 pm
If I recall, Sean Smith was a FS at Utah, where he was and absolute stud.  I've always thought he should be playing FS and not CB.

I don't remember him in college but remember then calling him a corner from the day he was drafted. Looking at his bio, I don't believe he ever played safety.

He was a corner at Utah, though  from what I can find, he started at safety in one game in his final season (vs Air Force). He actually started out as an offensive player, and his first 11 starts his freshman year were at WR.

What made people (including me) think he would be a good safety is that he had the size, he played great in the box in run support at Utah and he had "what I felt" were overrated and questionable cover skills,

Overrated because he played in the MWC against relatively weak competition, plus his style of physical play against those lesser receivers really helped cover up how stiff he played.

Questionable because he couldn't turn his hips like an NFL corner needs to turn their hips. Good cover corners have hips like dancers...it's what allows them to change direction to maintain coverage on a receiver without losing speed. Great cover corners like Sanders, Bailey, Revis...those dudes are ballerinas in cleats. When Sean did the backpedal and recover drill at the combine, I didn't think "dancer" when I saw him turn his hips, I thought "construction worker."

Next thought in my head was "safety?"

I'd rather see Miami spend a high draft pick on a top shelf corner and try to convert Smith to safety than see Miami draft a safety and leave Sean at corner, where he definitely seems like he gets outmatched by average WRs on a regular basis.



Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: MikeO on January 04, 2012, 07:41:09 pm
Sean Smith can make a nice NFL living as a #3 CB. Hell, #3 CB's are almost starters now in this pass happy league. I would rather see Miami draft or sign a legit CB to play opposite Vontae and make Smith a #3 CB. That's not the worst situation to be in.

I don't want Smith at Safety because I don't want him on the field that much. He isn't an every down player in this league. Just not that good. Solid back-up. Not a starter at CB or Safety.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: tubba marxxx on January 04, 2012, 08:39:50 pm
Sean Smith can make a nice NFL living as a #3 CB. Hell, #3 CB's are almost starters now in this pass happy league. I would rather see Miami draft or sign a legit CB to play opposite Vontae and make Smith a #3 CB. That's not the worst situation to be in.

I don't want Smith at Safety because I don't want him on the field that much. He isn't an every down player in this league. Just not that good. Solid back-up. Not a starter at CB or Safety.

.......so "in today's pass happy league where #3 CB's are almost starters"  you want Sean Smith to be a #3 CB because you "don't want him on the field that much."


Makes sense


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: MikeO on January 04, 2012, 09:09:38 pm
.......so "in today's pass happy league where #3 CB's are almost starters"  you want Sean Smith to be a #3 CB because you "don't want him on the field that much."


Makes sense

"almost"..... ::)

A starting safety is on the field all the time. A 3rd CB while might get more playing time now than in years past isn't on the field all the time. That was the point. And I thought using the word "ALMOST" sorta made that clear. Guess not!


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: tubba marxxx on January 04, 2012, 09:40:03 pm
"almost"..... ::)

A starting safety is on the field all the time. A 3rd CB while might get more playing time now than in years past isn't on the field all the time. That was the point. And I thought using the word "ALMOST" sorta made that clear. Guess not!


Damn, so close.  fair enough Mikey


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 04, 2012, 10:28:36 pm
Obviously, QB is our biggest concern but we are limited in our options this year due to Barkley staying and our draft position.  I'll list some of our options in order of what I'd like to see...

1) Trade the farm for Luck (not likely)
2) Trade up for RG3.  Have him battle it out with Moore for the starting job.
3) Draft Landry Jones.  Have him battle it our with Moore, with Jones likely sitting for a year.
4) Draft a later round QB (Foles, Keenum ect.).  Bring in Flynn and have him battle it out with Moore for the starting gig, while grooming said late round pick.


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: tubba marxxx on January 05, 2012, 04:06:24 pm
Obviously, QB is our biggest concern but we are limited in our options this year due to Barkley staying and our draft position.  I'll list some of our options in order of what I'd like to see...

1) Trade the farm for Luck (not likely)
2) Trade up for RG3.  Have him battle it out with Moore for the starting job.
3) Draft Landry Jones.  Have him battle it our with Moore, with Jones likely sitting for a year.
4) Draft a later round QB (Foles, Keenum ect.).  Bring in Flynn and have him battle it out with Moore for the starting gig, while grooming said late round pick.


If Landry Jones comes out this year, I'm all for option number 3. 

Coming out your Junior year and playing the role of back up in the NFL = Playing your Senior season..not from a physical standpoint, but mentally.  IMO anyways.


Moore and Jones could have a "competition" with Moore edging him out to start the regular season.  The 2012 season will be Matt Moore's audition to the world that he can be a starter in the NFL.  Maybe Jones could get some garbage time playing experience and unless Matt Moore throws for over 4,000 yards and over 30 TD's, 2013 and beyond belongs to Landry Jones


That's it, no costly trades.  No ludicrous contracts to screw over our franchise for years to come. 




Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: suck for luck on January 05, 2012, 05:15:43 pm
Word locally here is breaking that Landry is staying at OU.

Yea! LOL


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: tubba marxxx on January 05, 2012, 10:43:28 pm
Word locally here is breaking that Landry is staying at OU.

Yea! LOL


Which just got confirmed  F'n A dude


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: DarthHoodie on January 06, 2012, 08:00:58 am
Oh geez the Fins have lots of needs---

Head Coach first of all  :P


and also:
QB
TE
WR1
OG
OT

SLB (Coverage)
ILB (Burnett is way overrated, and Dansby is slowing down)
DE (Pass Rush)
DT, if Solai leaves
NB or CB3
SS
FS


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: tubba marxxx on January 06, 2012, 02:47:37 pm
Oh geez the Fins have lots of needs---

Head Coach first of all  :P


and also:
QB
TE
WR1
OG
OT

SLB (Coverage)
ILB (Burnett is way overrated, and Dansby is slowing down)
DE (Pass Rush)
DT, if Solai leaves
NB or CB3
SS
FS


I got Madden 12 for Christmas too


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address adding a QB)
Post by: Alwaysdullfan on January 07, 2012, 03:54:55 am
....at this point I dont see the dolphins getting a good QB from the 2012 draft based on their pick, so instead of trying to move up get the best player aviable at 8/9 pick and address the QB situation from free agency, maybe Matt Flynn, but they tried something similar with A.J Feely and he stunk, but my gut tells me RG3 isnt worth their first pick...they got Bess to help Marshall at WRs, but they need someone to pass the ball around to them and Reggie, I just hope they finally get their QB, but by 8th pick best QBs will be gone most likely....


Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: BigDaddyFin on January 07, 2012, 06:28:23 pm
Our biggest need is at GM, then Head Coach.



Title: Re: #1 area of need to address
Post by: Dolarltexas on January 10, 2012, 02:51:42 am
For me, it's the playcalling on the offense.  I'm sick of this "defense wins games" mentality that has failed for the last 15 years.  And, is it so hard to understand that when it's 3rd and 8 that you should at least try to get at least 8 yards rather than 2?  It really seems pretty self-explanatory to me.