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Jeff Fisher interviewing with the Dolphins today. Arrived in a helicopter with Dolphins owner Stephen Ross.

Todd Bowles interviewed yesterday. Offer to someone probably coming soon.

First question of the interview to Fisher should have been....."how much money ya want?"

Second question:
"what have you done since 2000?"

Let's make Gruden our #1 target, shall we?

We tried, he turned us down

I must have missed that...when did that happen?

Peterson went out to dinner with him before the holidays and offered him the job, Gruden said he wasn't interested in the Dolphins job. Armando is reporting it on his daily morning radio show and he wrote today how Gruden turned down Peterson in his column, the one  with the picture of Fisher/Peterson on the dolphins practice field from this afternoon.

Got a source other than buffoon Salguero?  I don't trust his made-up jibberish to be factual any more than the fodder on these forums.

WHY?!  Gruden is the most overrated coach since Jimmy Johnson..you don't want him.  He won a Super Bowl with a Tony Dungy team handed to him, and then finished under .500 the rest of his stay in Tampa.  And for being "such an expert on the QB position"  how come he never ever had one? 

Was Ireland doing the interviewing? Can we get a "was your mother a professional mud wrestler?" question in there?

I actually LOL'd when I read that.  Well played.

I will say that if we don't get Fisher or Billick, I'm not opposed to keeping Bowles.

If we are going to plumb the coordinator ranks, why not try promoting from within for once?  (I do not count the crony elevation of Wannstedt as a true promotion from within.)

Yeah, I could see that as well. Keep Bowles, Nolan and Daboll and see how it goes for at least a year rather than cleaning house and starting from scratch. I don't want to see that even if the HC is Fisher. I'd like to see whomever it is come in and tweak a few things here and there, not start overhauling the roster or the coaching staff. The weak link in my opinion was Sparano. Just replace him and see what you got.

No Jeff Fisher.  This franchise has been mediocre long enough.

i'm whatever on fisher... his teams are generally pretty tough, good defense, run-oriented, he would probably fit the "persona" of how parcells/ireland were constructing the fins.

what i don't get is why st louis is an attractive job. that team sucks big time, and bradford was god awful. the rams are pretty devoid of any talent on the entire roster.

sure they have some cap, and some trade bait with the number 2 pick but that doesn't mean they are going to translate in making the team better.

The only thing that's more dead that the "Defense wins championships era"  is the Parcells era in Miami

Bradford is better than anyone in Miami and they got the #2 overall pick.

Miami has no QB worth anything and have a pick that makes it difficult to land a TOP QB this year in the draft.

Plus in St.Louis he can hand-pick his GM and not be stuck with Ireland or Peterson.

word around the office is that it was caused by herpes medication, poor guy

This is exactly why Fisher will be the coach of the Rams

I'm not sure, on paper the Rams are a better job. But Ross will pay a lot more money than what the Rams will which gives Miami a good chance to land Fisher

Screw Fisher! Mike, how many winning seasons did he have in 17 years with the Oilers/Titans?

6 Winning seasons (9 or more wins)
5 mediocre 8-8 seasons
5 losing seasons (less than 8 wins)

I did not include 1994 when he took over a 2-14 team

So 11 out of 16 seasons he didn't have a losing record. He has a career record of 142-120 and led the Titans to at least 12 wins four times over 16 years.

And 10 out of 16 seasons he didn't have a winning record.

I don't know about you guys, but I don't consider 8-8 an acceptable result.  This isn't the NBA, where .500 gives you a good shot for the playoffs.

I understand what you are saying but they used to spin Shula's record at 8-8 as a positive all the time. They used to say that we didn't have a losing season in "x" number of years or whatever and 8-8 isn't a losing season. The fact is you can "glass half full or half empty" 8-8 all day long.

Mr. Ross
I don't want Fisher,(Cowher,or Gruden either) I changed my mind pretty quick after his name was brought up,before the season ended...
We've pretty much for the past 15 years we've brought in the same old school, conservative,run the ball and play good defense coaches...Fuck that,I want aSean Payton,that goes and gets the QB he wants and builds around him throwing the ball...The rules are set for a passing game,it's 2012,I'd like a team built for the futute,not the past...

Thank you...that is all...Go Dolphins

Lil B

Of the 6 winning seasons:

1 10 wins (2007)
1 11 wins (2002)
1 12 wins (2003)
3 13 wins (1999, 2000, 2008)

To go 13-3 3 times as a coach is not really anything to laugh at.  Even more so with an 8 year gap between them.  This includes 1 super bowl appearance, and three times being the #1 playoff seed

Looking at both sides of the debate, honestly, Fisher is 142-120 as a head coach, has only had six winning seasons, a playoff record of 5-6 (with three of those wins in his first postseason in 1999, which led to a Super Bowl appearance. Since then, Fisher is 2-4 in the postseason), and has won his division just four times in 16 years. Having said that, he is probably the best of what's out there right now. He may not be the greatest head coach in the NFL, but he IS an upgrade over anyone Miami has had lately. Unless someone else makes a drastic change of heart (ie, Gruden or Cowher), we could do much worse. -EK

Not that its breaking news but this was on ESPN a few minutes ago.

Jeff Fisher said Friday he is considering coaching next season in only two places, Miami or St. Louis, and that he will make his decision next week.
The former Tennessee Titans coach declined to comment further when speaking to ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

I haven't been looking at the stats myself so I don't know how accurate they are but I see a glaring mistake. Three 13 game winning seasons, two 12 wins, one 11 win, & one 10 win are seven winning seasons, not six.

He got the boot so I'm assuming he was stinking it up there at the end. So what was going on there at the end? I think that is the key.

He quit didn't he?

His last three years were 13-3, 8-8, & then 6-10. The biggest thing that happened during that period (and I think it contributed a lot) was the Vince Young implosion.

Head coaching recordTeam Year Regular Season Post Season

Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result

HOU 1994 1   5 0 .167 4th in AFC Central - - - -
HOU 1995 7   9 0 .438 3rd in AFC Central - - - -
HOU 1996 8   8 0 .500 4th in AFC Central - - - -
TEN 1997 8   8 0 .500 3rd in AFC Central - - - -
TEN 1998 8   8 0 .500 2nd in AFC Central - - - -
TEN 1999 13 3 0 .813 2nd in AFC Central 3 1 .750 Lost to St. Louis Rams in Super Bowl XXXIV.
TEN 2000 13 3 0 .813 1st in AFC Central 0 1 .000 Lost to Baltimore Ravens in AFC Divisional Game.
TEN 2001 7 9 0 .438 4th in AFC Central - - - -
TEN 2002 11 5 0 .688 1st in AFC South 1 1 .500 Lost to Oakland Raiders in AFC Championship Game.
TEN 2003 12 4 0 .750 2nd in AFC South 1 1 .500 Lost to New England Patriots in AFC Divisional Game.
TEN 2004 5 11 0 .313 3rd in AFC South - - - -
TEN 2005 4 12 0 .250 3rd in AFC South - - - -
TEN 2006 8 8 0 .500 2nd in AFC South - - - -
TEN 2007 10 6 0 .625 3rd in AFC South 0 1 .000 Lost to San Diego Chargers in AFC Wild-Card Game.
TEN 2008 13 3 0 .813 1st in AFC South 0 1 .000 Lost to Baltimore Ravens in AFC Divisional Game.
TEN 2009 8 8 0 .500 3rd in AFC South - - - -
TEN 2010 6 10 0 .375 4th in AFC South - - - -
Total[5] 142 120 0 .542  5 6 .455 

^ kinda ugly but readable ^ from wiki

Just saw an article at bleacher report calling him the most over-rated coach out there.

You're right, it was a type-o.  Its one 12-4 season, not 2

And I believe it was Fisher who was not a fan of playing Young and it was the owner who was insisting that Young start.  I believe that was one of the reasons that Fisher decided to part ways with Tennessee. Of course that's all speculation really, but I believe that was the speculation.

And with the same team for 17 years, you are bound to have a couple stinkers mixed in. He was there 17 years for crying out loud

That's right. Bud Adams was in love with Young and forced Fisher to play him. The owner is the owner and you can't override him. Fisher was handcuffed

As of 8pm Friday Night....
Clayton is saying Fisher to accept Rams job on Monday

Rams sideline reporter Friday night saying he is hearing all signs point to Fisher taking the Rams job.

Glazer saying Fisher only using Fins to get most money out of Rams

Schefter is the ONLY guy saying Miami is in the lead for Fisher and the money Ross is throwing at him will land him


Take it all for what its worth.

Let Fisher go to the Rams.  I want a coach like Joe Philbin who understands that today's league is a passing league and will demand Jeff Ireland get him the quarterback he needs.

Lose out on Fisher and Ross is royally screwed. That means he will have to stand up in front of the media within a month or so, announce that (insert name) is the new head coach of the Miami Dolphins and he is the guy we wanted all along. And the single shred of dignity Ross has left will be gone.

The next 24-72 hours for Ross will define his legacy and unfortunately the legacy of the Fins for the future in the NFL. Does he overpay for Fisher, pay him like an elite/top 3 NFL head coach to save face and NOT come off looking like a loser and having the franchise come off looking like a loser. Or does he fail again and not get his man. 

Because if Ross loses Fisher;  ha if Stevie boy thought he had an empty stadium last year year, he hasn't seen anything yet wait till next year! Trying to sell THIS fanbase at THIS moment in time a bunch of good that a Philbin, Troub, Pettine, or whoever was his first choice all along and he got his man.....good luck with that!

And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Jeff Fisher walks on water and is the savior. But Ross went "ALL IN" on him and if he comes up empty, it's an epic disaster! You can't downplay it or spin it either. A total failure.

^ I now know how the world ends this year.  The sky is a big heavy bitch that's gonna crush us all.

So, one interview means Ross "went all in"?  His legacy rests on one guy?  Wow

MikeO, if Ross went "all in" on Fisher, why'd he interview anyone but Bowles?  That doesn't sound like going "all in."

Furthermore, what makes you think that Ross is forced to say that [Philbin or whoever] is "the only person we wanted all along"?  Notwithstanding the Rooney Rule implications of such a statement, it's not some sort of insult to come out and say, "I'm very happy to announce that [person] is our new head coach.  I think he will be the best fit for our franchise and I look forward to the success he will bring."  None of that is a lie; someone who wants to be in Miami is necessarily a better fit than someone who doesn't (just ask Nick Saban).

My local sports talk radio station has a weekly segment with Chris Landry.  He was saying that Fisher is an excellent coach that made the best with what he worked with in Tenn.  Basically the owner was a penny pincher and he was still successful with the hand he was dealt.  If he has an owner like Ross who will actually open up his checkbook, then he could have great success.  Talk radio though, so take it for what it's worth.

Unrelated side note:  Jeff Fisher is deaf in one ear

I dont care for them to pick a "big name" guy for head coach, as long as its a good one. My problem, and correct me if im wrong thats just what i think, its The general manager, Ireland guy. I think he's f*** crap up in Miami, I think Sparano was as good of a coach as u can get for that team at this point, but he got fired cuz someone had to take the blame, but its Ireland that needed to go, and then maybe somone like Fisher would fit in, but in my opinion as long as Ireland is there its never gonna be good.

Have you heard of the Rooney Rule that every team MUST interview a minority candidate

I agree with Mike O to a point. It was widely known he was out to get a name and that was nobody's fault but his. The two biggest names reportedly blew him off and now Fisher is the only one left. Lose him and right or wrong most people will see this as him having to "settle" for whoever they get. If he follows that up by not landing a franchise QB then there is absolutely nothing to excite the general fan base. this will equate to empty seats.

I'm sure some of you will say screw them (general fan base) but that doesn't pay the bills or get games on tv.

Yep. And who knows, Philbin, Toub, Pettine, or whoever might end up being a good to great coach for the Fins. But that isn't the bigger picture point being made.  Losing Fisher is a kick to the nuts, the perception for the immediate future is Ross and the Dolphins are losers and a loser franchise. That no matter how much more money Ross throws at people quality guys like Fisher and Harbaugh take less money to go elsewhere and want nothing to do with him.

And its not just coaches, its gonna be that way with assistant coaches and free agents. Quality guys on the open market, yeah they want to get paid at the end of the day. But if the money is equal, some if not many might shy away from Miami because nobody wants to be near this trainwreck.It's a 3 ring circus with 2 guys conducting 2 different coaching searches, with how Ross botched the Harbaugh-Sparano thing. That's why the Fisher hire is (was) huge, it was Ross's get out of free jail card and made the Fins respectable. If Fisher goes to the Rams like almost everyone is now saying, Ross is back to square one and still an assclown to many in this league. Fair or unfair, that is the perception.

And its not just coaches, its gonna be that way with assistant coaches and free agents - Mike O

Disagree with this assessment...Harbaugh stayed close to home.  Fisher has connections with the Rams organization and in all honesty, must look at that division has being an easier building ground than the AFC East.

Free agents will take the money at any given opportunity...careers can change with one play and stars are screwed in this league every year.

Any image damage for the Fins was created even before the Ross era and the multiple failed rebuilds also doesn't help.

hope fisher doesn't sign with the dolphins.  remember this idiot wearing peytons jersey to a press conference.

Seriously?  There are reasons not to want or to want a coach. 

A person's willingness to provide some self-depricating humor to support a charity fundraiser, is not one of the reason not want a coach.   

Biggest concern with Fisher, would be his run first approach to offence.  While we still don't have a top tire QB, this league shows that a passing team will go to the playoffs. 

You can't average 20 points per game on offence and expect to win Super Bowls, it just ain't happening!

Did you even read the post you replied to?

Bowles IS a minority candidate.  Therefore, if Ross was going "all in" on Fisher, he would have ONLY interviewed Bowles (which fulfills the Rooney Rule requirement) and Fisher.  That's it.

Furthermore, it's rather ridiculous that you're bringing up the Rooney Rule in support of your stance, when I just finished saying that rule dismantles it; if Ross were dumb enough to come out and say, "You're the only coach I ever wanted," THAT would cause Rooney Rule problems.  He would be admitting that the minority candidate he interviewed was never even considered for the job.

Bottom line is only 1 candidate got the helicopter ride, that is going all in on one guy. You want to play "fantasy" stuff and come up with statements that were or weren't said during meetings go for it but reality is Miami is going all in on Fisher. And if Jeff comes out Sunday or Monday saying he is going to Miami all other interviews Miami has lined up with Mularkey and such will be canceled. That says it all.

I don't remember Gruden or Cowher getting a helicopter ride.  I guess this means they were never being considered?

...WTF?  You are the one that is insisting that Ross MUST declare that the new coach is "the guy we wanted all along."  I'm saying that not only does he NOT need to say that, but if he did say it, the league office would be giving him a call to explain the purpose of the Rooney Rule.

Not at all because they made Bowles the coach after they fired Sparano. So the league wouldn't be upset at all. But I really have no idea what point you are trying to make. If you think the Fins treated the Fisher interview like any other interview or will continue to interview guys IF Fisher picks Miami I don't know what to tell ya. Other than you are wrong.

Why does anyone give a crap that he got a helicopter ride?  Sometimes its just a means to an end.  Maybe its the only way they could get him to interview was to send the helicopter cause he was busy the next day or something? 

Don't read into a helicopter ride as "going all in"

Besides, I don't give a crap if Ross has egg on his face.  I care that they win games.  He can embarrass himself all he wants, the fans will come back when the team wins some damn games.

The Herald disagrees.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/07/2578621/miami-dolphins-owners-helicopter.html


MikeO or Greg Cote who has better sources.  We should do a poll.

It's pretty obvious Fisher is the #1 choice.  If they don't get him BFD, move on to the next guy, its not like Fisher is the only answer.  If Fisher doesn't choose Miami hopefully Ross won't make an a$$ of himself and say that the guy they hire was the primary choice.  It's really not the big drama that some are making it out to be, people need to stop listening to the hype that the so called "sports reporters" are trying to make it into.